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No, this particular thing looks to be related to the air spring side of the system, not damping. "Linear XL" same name for their new larger air cans to make shocks more linear. This looks to be a fully integrated Seccus. We will also likely see the HBO or tunable bottom out bumpers in conjunction with this as the method for preventing harsh bottoms.
The frame is LIGHT. Just over 37 lbs complete for mine. Same parts except for the cranks on a Supreme were just under 43 lbs.
Looking at the failures, it's past the edge. All she did was go nose heavy off a drop and it snapped way worse than those GTs people have been riding into trees at speed. Pretty sure Devinci just recalled a bunch of bikes for something similar
Not sure it’s related, but I just saw a pic of Pivot team running a new firmer compression tune in the shock, CL130. They could be searching for more support to prevent bottom out events that stress the frame, without increasing spring further.
Surely, we’ll be seeing this bike soon...
Chunky road ride: Chode Ride
When sustained for a longer duration it becomes a: Grundle Grind'r
Quote from Nicolas: "My guess is that its either a manufacturing defect or the frame was previously crashed and weakened at the downtube."
or third option: construction defect.
Not that this couldn’t happen on an alloy frame, but getting stabbed by that shredded carbon tube has to be a worst case scenario.
I don't know if the production bikes use metal or carbon "lugs" still but thats broken exactly along the lines of where the lugs were on the prototype bike.
It definitely irks me this type of failure - you don't need to make production bikes that light and you are really risking your customers by not simply beefing them up a little bit or doing more/better testing.
There has been far too many public breakages of these to be a coincidence and Pivot just haven't acknowledged that there is either a flaw in the design or their particular manufacturing process. Not sure if its sunk cost fallacy or something else but they need to deal with this fast. I just don't hear of breakages like this from any other brand - sure bikes break but never in the ways that the phoenix does
It'll only get worse from here if they don't acknowledge it publicly. We might be seeing them in the next edition of Jeff Brines' "will brands go bust" thread if they dont rub their braincells together.
It looks like that pivot snapped on the downtube first- in an area where you do get lots of rocks kicked up, so maybe it was damaged previously.
On the other hand- it’s the downtube of a downhill bike- probably should be overbuilt.
Edit- skip to 5 minutes:
https://youtu.be/w5eMMf11uhM?si=Ed0-cZSZaSZxbBcZ
This will forever be associated with Pivot.
With all due respect, outside of BK's prototype, how many have we seen broken? There were rumors about a production frame broke at a Hardline event and this one..
I'm not keeping a spreadsheet or anything but I think I've seen about 4 or 5 now.
Do you recall if they all seem to have broken in a similar fashion to the one posted here? If I see 4 or 5 broken the same way, that's enough to call it a pattern..
BK's snapped seat stay from Hardline. Video of it - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PgKqMeKE_Xw
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BK had a broken seat stay with the production bike.
Our rental shop Phoenix had a broken seat stay.
This one is a totally different location.
Yeah, those are all locations that definitely should not pivot.
I heard it's gotta go back to prototype phase, wasn't quite ready
Adding a third chain this time and maybe another shock but its just for the bottom bracket bash guard to compress.
An extra 1-2#'s of CF reinforcement on a DH bike just makes sense.
What am I looking at exactly here?!
Ride wrap announced they are sponsoring the team.
The new demo has me a little confused. Is the new drivetrain that they are using specifically just to mitigate kickback? I was looking at it wondering if this is going to be a bike designed for those who want to put in an aftermarket gearbox in the future. They just replace the whole… box? Thing? When this originally came out I didnt pay it much attention since it seemed every week it was being changed drastically anyways.
The old one had a lower pivot, which performed well enough, but it seemed like Specialized were concerned about it being too low down and at risk of being scuffed or bashed on rocks. When they moved the linkage out of the way, it changed the pedalling characteristics a heck of a lot, and not for the better. So either they could have made it with an idler that doesn't let the chain wrap around the chain ring for more than 8 or so teeth, or they go for the 2 chain route. IMO the chain system is a packaging compromise to fit the linkage they want in a way that isn't at risk of breaking on rocks etc.
There was one posted here from a DHSE race at Ride Rock Creek that broke in the same way this one did.
Couldn’t find if anyone has posted about this since. But looks like a new Allied trail or enduro bike? Given the BC40 is 120mm I’d bet over 160mm. Ridden by Anna Yamagucci (sp?) at Trans Cascadia. I just hope they keep that raw linkage…