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Whole lotta talk about crab bikes without naming the bikes by their one true name…
Tell them parts need to be available in the US.
Technically, not Shimano's first carbon crankset: https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34227
It would be their first carbon MTB crankset, though.
A collection of the Australian Scott importer's franchisees abandoned the brand entirely about a year or two ago because sales of the current models were "bad for business". Quite a fall considering the Spark was once the most common bike around here. Innovating its way out of the MTB market apparently... anyway further discussion about Scott specifically might belong more in the "will more companies be shutting down..." thread than here.
https://www.instagram.com/stories/nsbillet/3554943112793615759?igsh=MXE1bHgxcjFmNTB3Nw==
Someone having some fun tinkering away on a GT. Thanks for posting it NSB.
It's been done. Rocky, Banshee and others have experimented with bushings. They all creaked worse than a rusty shopping cart after a while... or immediately depending how lucky you were.
I've also heard rumors about a new fork that's similar to a current offering but different and will run beside the current model
Any time you don't have full rotation (or slow rotation) a bushing is the better option. Technically bushing should be better for all pivots.
Two problems. We riders don't want the suspension being stiff and/or binding and we don't want the bike to clack around. Bushing require quite a bit more clearance (technically) vs. what a bearing needs to function (clearance of bearings is in the range of microns to hundreths of a mm when not axially preloaded, and bearings technically should be axially preloaded for best performance, which is a topic of discussion in another thread). That will make the axle in the bushing clack around when the loading of it changes direction.
Even with some clearance a bushing will usually be a bit more tight or will have more friction vs. what a bearing is like - case in point, try to move your shock when bolted to the frame only by one of the two eyelets. If you have a bearing mount on one side, it's the best way to actually compare the two variants - you can hardly move the bushing side vs. the shock falling down on the bearing side (and making a hole in the paint with the LSC adjuster knob -_- ).
O-ring supported/tightened bushings could possibly handle the clearance issue, but yeah, as @CuddlyToast said, it's been done and and abandoned. Besides Rocky and Banshee I know Ibis also used to do it (first Ripmo?) and I know Scott did it with the first Horst Link Genius (first modern one, not the pull shock one), but I'm not sure they abandoned it actually. Wouldn't be surprised if they didn't given how lightness focused their bikes are.
Ancillotti did bushings as well, even on the main pivot. I believe they still do. A buddy of mine had one. He needed to break the bushings in, so I believe they come quite tight from the factory and then kind of grind themselves to the right tolerances. He was (is) rather sloppy with bike care, but the bike never creaked or so.
Anecdotal, I know, but could hint that with the right execution bushings could work...
Edit: just got called out: a) by first friend not approving being called sloppy, b) by second friend wondering how I could have missed the noises coming from that bike... 😅
my 2016 knolly warden developed quite significant stiction at the bushings.. lets say that foul weather required a lot of maintenance.. it was fine when freshly serviced but it would get to feel like shit quicker than bearings, may be I had shitty bushings , dont know..
He was talking about horst link only, nicolai had been using it for years, mine has it, doesn't require any attention and is creak free, only if you overtighten it it can wear faster and obviously increase friction. It's absolutely right place for bushing, just like shock eyelet is. Ancilotti as posted above use them in all pivots and there are no complaint around.
Dave Turner had bushing on his Turner Bikes and they worked great in Austin (mainly dry riding and plenty of creek crossings). I had an O2 and 5Spot which were some of my favorite frames.
Any idea what they are improving with the new 36 chassis? The 21/23 chassis hasn't been around for long, has it?
My guess
It took 17 hours for a Turner Homer to mention pivot bushings… What a time to be alive.
I replaced my shock end bushings with needle bearings and the suspension is just smoother. Been done on 3 different bikes, but all Crab Link so may be different with other suspension designs.
There are photos earlier in this thread of the new 34 being used an XC race. It has a conventional arch with sections removed for a more conservative generative design vibe than the new 32. I expect the same thing for the 36.
Was gonna post about my Turner bushings. Was not a good choice in the muddy northeast. Worked fine when fresh and clean, but I was taking apart the pivots for a clean and grease every month.
Sick bikes anyway. That 5 spot was 15 years ahead of its time.
Hearing it's Cane Creek, a big travel enduro fork.
custom YT decoy with intend goods on it for markus flossmann
Did Canyon just drop something new.
Or am I just that uninterested in them that this has previously passed me by:
it's a proto, FMD was on it last year
Oh right 😂
I don’t follow FMD either.
My disinterest has in both is stronger than I thought 😳😅
troy brosnan won MSA on that bike fwiw.
😂 Well I can honestly blame Chris Ball and WB that I missed that one.
Tell me you’re not a Tahnee Seagrave fan, without telling me you’re not a Tahnee Seagrave fan…
Not continue my digression any further, but I am a Tahnee fan. I still missed all the Canyon hype, so I'll blame the almighty algorithm for that. I get mostly mechanic stuff, F1, Brandog, MB Cyclery with a healthy dose of bee_kay77 and watchcwgo.
I'd love to see what Tahnee could do away from FMD. In my biased opinion it worked incredibly well for the Athertons but not so well for her... Maybe it's because mum and dad weren't part of the team.
Bushing require tight tolerances and proper maintenance.
The cycling industry is crappy at tight tolerances.
Most cyclist are crappy at maintenance.
It's a win win resulting in the horrible reputation that bushings have.
Like press fit bearings, they are the correct engineering solution. But that would require the bike industry to stop being crappy.
Interesting that Luca has a big ass Boa logo on top of his helmet. I don't think I've seen Boa do individual sponsorship deals like that.
Boa sponsors quite a few individual athletes as well as teams.
https://www.boafit.com/en-us/athletes