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Had some of the first Minion DHF 29" samples in 2012. Prior to that 29" options were pretty grim, the best we could do were WTB...

WinterParkLOOP18x24

Had some of the first Minion DHF 29" samples in 2012. Prior to that 29" options were pretty grim, the best we could do were WTB Weirwolf LT 2.55" and Maxxis Ardent 2.4" (probably what I had on the rear in this photo).

 

I mean the Minion DHF celebrated a 20th anniversary. If that is not longevity in this industry, IDK what is. They have been my favorite tire nearly the entire time I have ridden bikes seriously. I try something new every year or so and end up back on the DHF. Three wheelsizes later and I am still going after DHFs for my preferred tire.

Speaking of wheelsizes, saw a post by DirtySixer showing 32" wheeled bikes 😒

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1/14/2025 2:19pm
Nine year old component is like a century ago in bike years. What other components that have withstood the test of time that long? maybe some...

Nine year old component is like a century ago in bike years. What other components that have withstood the test of time that long? maybe some grips/pedals. 

Having to ride tires from 9 years ago sounds like a blast.  

jofish wrote:

Thomson everything. I think Bruni still runs the seatpost?

Certain hubs, spokes, EX471's are 9 years old this year. There's a bit when you look around 

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race face going short on crank length 160MM CRANKS. Get shorty.  Have you ever wondered if you’d benefit from shorter cranks? Along with reducing the chance...

race face going short on crank length

rf era 160mm hero desktop 4320x2400-2100x1167-39440c09-2db0-46b4-a39e-8fab90b9dc71.jpg?VersionId=aDRoWgrf turbine 160mm hero desktop 4320x2400-2100x1167-9ec393a5-be64-4fc1-bdc4-4351515a46f8
160MM CRANKS. Get shorty. 
Have you ever wondered if you’d benefit from shorter cranks? Along with reducing the chance of a pedal strike, shorter cranks can improve bike fit and alleviate knee pain, all while improving descending performance. You can now get the new 160mm length in our flagship Era carbon and Turbine alloy cranks. All cranks are covered by our Lifetime Warranty, crashes included. 
 
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Era Crankset MSRP: $499 USD / $649 CAD / 489 EURO

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I wonder where the price difference for the aluminium cranks between US and EU is coming from, tariffs? Pretty much the same for carbon.

Era Crankset MSRP: $499 USD / $649 CAD / 489 EURO

Turbine Crankset MSRP: $180 USD / $220 CAD / 230 EURO

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1/14/2025 2:43pm Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 2:47pm
jonkranked wrote:

I was simply pointing out its age, and also as a reminder that saint is now shimano's longest running unchanged grouppo. 

Uhm actually Shimano Dura-Ace Track 7700 launched in 1996 is the longest running unchanged shimano gruppo. /nerd

And yeah most spokes versions are 20+ years old. D-light was 2010 and CX-Ray was 1997 for Sapim.

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1/14/2025 2:49pm Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 2:50pm
Nine year old component is like a century ago in bike years. What other components that have withstood the test of time that long? maybe some...

Nine year old component is like a century ago in bike years. What other components that have withstood the test of time that long? maybe some grips/pedals. 

Having to ride tires from 9 years ago sounds like a blast.  

Had some of the first Minion DHF 29" samples in 2012. Prior to that 29" options were pretty grim, the best we could do were WTB...

WinterParkLOOP18x24

Had some of the first Minion DHF 29" samples in 2012. Prior to that 29" options were pretty grim, the best we could do were WTB Weirwolf LT 2.55" and Maxxis Ardent 2.4" (probably what I had on the rear in this photo).

 

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t it a different tire today? I would imagine both construction and compound have been updated. Whereas I believe the saint derailleur is literally the same one from 9 years ago.

 

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1/14/2025 4:27pm

My jerseys are all (both?) from like 15 years ago

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1llumA wrote:
Uhm actually Shimano Dura-Ace Track 7700 launched in 1996 is the longest running unchanged shimano gruppo. /nerdAnd yeah most spokes versions are 20+ years old. D-light...

Uhm actually Shimano Dura-Ace Track 7700 launched in 1996 is the longest running unchanged shimano gruppo. /nerd

And yeah most spokes versions are 20+ years old. D-light was 2010 and CX-Ray was 1997 for Sapim.

honest question - is the 7700 track grouppo still in active production? it seems to have been delisted from the shimano website

 

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jonkranked wrote:

honest question - is the 7700 track grouppo still in active production? it seems to have been delisted from the shimano website

 

Pretty sure 7600 track cog, 7700 octalink & square taper BB are still being produced even if they are not listed on shimano consumer site and the chainrings are still listed and produced but good chance the actual 7700 crankset are now discontinued.

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1/14/2025 6:47pm
jonkranked wrote:

honest question - is the 7700 track grouppo still in active production? it seems to have been delisted from the shimano website

 

1llumA wrote:
Pretty sure 7600 track cog, 7700 octalink & square taper BB are still being produced even if they are not listed on shimano consumer site and...

Pretty sure 7600 track cog, 7700 octalink & square taper BB are still being produced even if they are not listed on shimano consumer site and the chainrings are still listed and produced but good chance the actual 7700 crankset are now discontinued.

The track parts are all available and are still stocked by Shimano USA. NJS Keirin races have inflexible equipment rules which effectively prohibit changes to the groupset - tech rumors and innovation are outlawed!!!

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1/14/2025 7:18pm
jonkranked wrote:

honest question - is the 7700 track grouppo still in active production? it seems to have been delisted from the shimano website

 

1llumA wrote:
Pretty sure 7600 track cog, 7700 octalink & square taper BB are still being produced even if they are not listed on shimano consumer site and...

Pretty sure 7600 track cog, 7700 octalink & square taper BB are still being produced even if they are not listed on shimano consumer site and the chainrings are still listed and produced but good chance the actual 7700 crankset are now discontinued.

The track parts are all available and are still stocked by Shimano USA. NJS Keirin races have inflexible equipment rules which effectively prohibit changes to the...

The track parts are all available and are still stocked by Shimano USA. NJS Keirin races have inflexible equipment rules which effectively prohibit changes to the groupset - tech rumors and innovation are outlawed!!!

The voice I read this in

 

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1/14/2025 10:45pm
1llumA wrote:
Uhm actually Shimano Dura-Ace Track 7700 launched in 1996 is the longest running unchanged shimano gruppo. /nerdAnd yeah most spokes versions are 20+ years old. D-light...

Uhm actually Shimano Dura-Ace Track 7700 launched in 1996 is the longest running unchanged shimano gruppo. /nerd

And yeah most spokes versions are 20+ years old. D-light was 2010 and CX-Ray was 1997 for Sapim.

jonkranked wrote:

honest question - is the 7700 track grouppo still in active production? it seems to have been delisted from the shimano website

 

Some compo from the full ine-up (BB's, Chainrings) have been discontinued but I can confirm the cranks and hubs are still actively being produced in Japan.

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1/15/2025 12:13am
Nine year old component is like a century ago in bike years. What other components that have withstood the test of time that long? maybe some...

Nine year old component is like a century ago in bike years. What other components that have withstood the test of time that long? maybe some grips/pedals. 

Having to ride tires from 9 years ago sounds like a blast.  

Had some of the first Minion DHF 29" samples in 2012. Prior to that 29" options were pretty grim, the best we could do were WTB...

WinterParkLOOP18x24

Had some of the first Minion DHF 29" samples in 2012. Prior to that 29" options were pretty grim, the best we could do were WTB Weirwolf LT 2.55" and Maxxis Ardent 2.4" (probably what I had on the rear in this photo).

 

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t it a different tire today? I would imagine both construction and compound have been updated. Whereas I believe the...

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t it a different tire today? I would imagine both construction and compound have been updated. Whereas I believe the saint derailleur is literally the same one from 9 years ago.

 

Not too different. 

3c has been introduced about 10ish years ago, but before that there were Super Tacky and even Slow Reezay tires that used same durometer rubbers you'll find on the MaxxGrip. I don't know if there was a significant change in the compound, but you could buy a full 40a tire while now you just get 40a on side knobs and 42a on main tread. 

I don't think it's fair to compare Saint to a rim or a spoke. Of all the parts that stood the test of time mentioned here, it's by far the most complex. I do still run my 2013 set of brakes and they're absolutely my favourites, yet while I got 5 seasons out of my first RD-M820, I've been getting less than a season out of the last few. So I gave up on DH derailleurs.

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1/15/2025 6:39am
jonkranked wrote:

honest question - is the 7700 track grouppo still in active production? it seems to have been delisted from the shimano website

 

1llumA wrote:
Pretty sure 7600 track cog, 7700 octalink & square taper BB are still being produced even if they are not listed on shimano consumer site and...

Pretty sure 7600 track cog, 7700 octalink & square taper BB are still being produced even if they are not listed on shimano consumer site and the chainrings are still listed and produced but good chance the actual 7700 crankset are now discontinued.

The track parts are all available and are still stocked by Shimano USA. NJS Keirin races have inflexible equipment rules which effectively prohibit changes to the...

The track parts are all available and are still stocked by Shimano USA. NJS Keirin races have inflexible equipment rules which effectively prohibit changes to the groupset - tech rumors and innovation are outlawed!!!

thanks for the insight, learn something every day (or try to). 

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1/15/2025 9:13am

Chris Canfield starting to roll out new frames to customers

Bicycle frame Bicycle Land vehicle Bicycle tire Wheel

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from the other site.... what appears to be the atherton 200g

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overbiked wrote:
Chris Canfield starting to roll out new frames to customers

Chris Canfield starting to roll out new frames to customers

Bicycle frame Bicycle Land vehicle Bicycle tire Wheel

Can someone make an optional high pivot bike with a straight seat tube? These seem to have worse insertion than even the new spicy.

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1/15/2025 9:37am
jonkranked wrote:
from the other site.... what appears to be the atherton 200g

from the other site.... what appears to be the atherton 200g

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interesting! they not only moved to gearbox/beltdrive but also to an hp/idler design. 

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1/15/2025 9:48am

It's a similar layout to the Pivot overall. 

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1/15/2025 9:49am
jonkranked wrote:
from the other site.... what appears to be the atherton 200g

from the other site.... what appears to be the atherton 200g

photo

amaranth wrote:

interesting! they not only moved to gearbox/beltdrive but also to an hp/idler design. 

still a dw6 apparently, which jives with the rumors. I'd assume the idler was a necessity due to suspension layout and the nature of a belt driven gearbox. 

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1/15/2025 10:06am Edited Date/Time 1/15/2025 10:08am

A few more shots grabbed from the Atherton’s insta:

IMG 0895IMG 0896IMG 0897.png?VersionId=yvMgBJVGmMI qLh24oBo OIMG 0898

Nothing super clear of the non-drive side yet

Similar to the Pivot but with added Horst

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1/15/2025 10:24am
TimBud wrote:
A few more shots grabbed from the Atherton’s insta:Nothing super clear of the non-drive side yetSimilar to the Pivot but with added Horst

A few more shots grabbed from the Atherton’s insta:

IMG 0895IMG 0896IMG 0897.png?VersionId=yvMgBJVGmMI qLh24oBo OIMG 0898

Nothing super clear of the non-drive side yet

Similar to the Pivot but with added Horst

Interesting shock mounting position.

I LOVE to see the gearbox finally rising in the gravity bikes. It is going to be a real test this year, with many fast riders putting it on the limit..

BRB buying Pinion stock 🤣

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1/15/2025 10:44am
TimBud wrote:
A few more shots grabbed from the Atherton’s insta:Nothing super clear of the non-drive side yetSimilar to the Pivot but with added Horst

A few more shots grabbed from the Atherton’s insta:

IMG 0895IMG 0896IMG 0897.png?VersionId=yvMgBJVGmMI qLh24oBo OIMG 0898

Nothing super clear of the non-drive side yet

Similar to the Pivot but with added Horst

IIRC the Pivot DH bike uses the flex of the stays to eliminate the pivot at the dropout. There is only a few degrees of movement there.

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1/15/2025 11:14am
TimBud wrote:
A few more shots grabbed from the Atherton’s insta:Nothing super clear of the non-drive side yetSimilar to the Pivot but with added Horst

A few more shots grabbed from the Atherton’s insta:

IMG 0895IMG 0896IMG 0897.png?VersionId=yvMgBJVGmMI qLh24oBo OIMG 0898

Nothing super clear of the non-drive side yet

Similar to the Pivot but with added Horst

luckymixes wrote:
Interesting shock mounting position.I LOVE to see the gearbox finally rising in the gravity bikes. It is going to be a real test this year, with...

Interesting shock mounting position.

I LOVE to see the gearbox finally rising in the gravity bikes. It is going to be a real test this year, with many fast riders putting it on the limit..

BRB buying Pinion stock 🤣

that would be bombardier

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1/15/2025 11:19am
TimBud wrote:
A few more shots grabbed from the Atherton’s insta:Nothing super clear of the non-drive side yetSimilar to the Pivot but with added Horst

A few more shots grabbed from the Atherton’s insta:

IMG 0895IMG 0896IMG 0897.png?VersionId=yvMgBJVGmMI qLh24oBo OIMG 0898

Nothing super clear of the non-drive side yet

Similar to the Pivot but with added Horst

What are the cranks? 🧐

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1/15/2025 11:23am
TimBud wrote:
A few more shots grabbed from the Atherton’s insta:Nothing super clear of the non-drive side yetSimilar to the Pivot but with added Horst

A few more shots grabbed from the Atherton’s insta:

IMG 0895IMG 0896IMG 0897.png?VersionId=yvMgBJVGmMI qLh24oBo OIMG 0898

Nothing super clear of the non-drive side yet

Similar to the Pivot but with added Horst

Domo-Kun wrote:

What are the cranks? 🧐

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1/15/2025 11:26am

I like how the idler is tucked up nicely on the Atherton bike.

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1/15/2025 12:36pm

So are we calling Clipless pedals Clip pedals now?  

owl-x wrote:

We are now, still, yes. 

If no one said it so far, in Germany they call them “click”pedals…

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