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SPD's belong in a hall of fame with Nokia 9210's and cast iron cookware, they'll survive the heat death of the universe. If the OneUp SPD's last...

SPD's belong in a hall of fame with Nokia 9210's and cast iron cookware, they'll survive the heat death of the universe. 

If the OneUp SPD's last even half as long as a shimano they'll be incredible 

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Must be coming soon. Landing page banner on their site. I think I'm the only one to not have Shimano pedals last forever. I get 1-2 seasons...
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Must be coming soon. Landing page banner on their site. 

I think I'm the only one to not have Shimano pedals last forever. I get 1-2 seasons on them before the bearings are shot.

Making me feel easy on stuff. I've somehow got a pair of Crank Bros mallet E's from 2016 that have seen 6 bikes and 8 seasons of riding without ever even been taken apart or any service of any kind, I'm too scared to now to touch them now, it'll ruin them 😅. I feel like I'd be handing Shimano's down to my great grand kids.

I'll be interested as to how well the new One Up's hold up. I find their flats to be hit or miss and the service window is way to short for the average user. The 99% have no idea pedals need to be serviced over a 10 years, let alone 50h.I had a pair in my hands today and they looked solid, but hopefully they are a bit more robust than some of their alloy flats.

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1/14/2025 3:03am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 3:04am

What's wrong with their aluminium flats? They've been solid for me since they dropped the three small outboard bearings... 

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Primoz wrote:

What's wrong with their aluminium flats? They've been solid for me since they dropped the three small outboard bearings... 

I went through three pairs of them, at some point the bearings or axle eats itself and the pedal gets stuck to the point where I had one unscrew itself from the crank. Couldn’t even remove the axle anymore in some cases. Those might have been the old versions though. 

Customer service has been great, they got me fresh pedals every time, but after getting almost stuck in some remote valley I switched to Nukeproof SH enduros and eventually back to Shimano SPDs. On the hope clip pedals right now and they’re great as well. 

The upside for shimano pedals imo is that you can get spares in every bike shop. Don’t know if the oneups can get on that level. 

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I went through three pairs of them, at some point the bearings or axle eats itself and the pedal gets stuck to the point where I...

I went through three pairs of them, at some point the bearings or axle eats itself and the pedal gets stuck to the point where I had one unscrew itself from the crank. Couldn’t even remove the axle anymore in some cases. Those might have been the old versions though. 

Customer service has been great, they got me fresh pedals every time, but after getting almost stuck in some remote valley I switched to Nukeproof SH enduros and eventually back to Shimano SPDs. On the hope clip pedals right now and they’re great as well. 

The upside for shimano pedals imo is that you can get spares in every bike shop. Don’t know if the oneups can get on that level. 

I've even seen brand new ones be so stiff that you actually notice a difference in resistance when pedaling. A friend bought a brand new set of alu flats, and its like the bearings are shot right out of the box. Feels like the bearing or axle is stuck.

Regardless - I took a shot in the dark now and ordered a set of these clip pedals. I like everything else I've tried from Oneup, and I have been looking to try something else than the saints I currently run. Love the SPD part of the saints, dont like how like 10% of the actual platform contacts my shoe. The oneup seems a lot better there. Only question is longevity, but I guess we'll see

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1/14/2025 4:17am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 5:36am

So are we calling Clipless pedals Clip pedals now?  

Yes, let's please just all agree on that. 

Pedals to which you mechanically attach your shoe via a cleat and a retention mechanism should be called "clips" or "clip-in pedals" or something similar.

"Clipless" is an artificial legacy term that has lost its meaning and purpose in its entirety and nowadays can only serve to confuse the situation for people who aren't bicycle nerds.

 

True story; My cousin recently started cycling. She asks me for bike- and tech advice every once in a while. Couple of days ago she asked me wheter she should get "clipless" pedals and what the advantages were. When I got to the part of explaining why those pedals are called "clipless"-pedals, despite the rider being clipped in, she looked at me as if I was having a stroke.

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So are we calling Clipless pedals Clip pedals now?  

FullSend wrote:
Yes, let's please just all agree on that. Pedals to which you mechanically attach your shoe via a cleat and a retention mechanism should be called "clips"...

Yes, let's please just all agree on that. 

Pedals to which you mechanically attach your shoe via a cleat and a retention mechanism should be called "clips" or "clip-in pedals" or something similar.

"Clipless" is an artificial legacy term that has lost its meaning and purpose in its entirety and nowadays can only serve to confuse the situation for people who aren't bicycle nerds.

 

True story; My cousin recently started cycling. She asks me for bike- and tech advice every once in a while. Couple of days ago she asked me wheter she should get "clipless" pedals and what the advantages were. When I got to the part of explaining why those pedals are called "clipless"-pedals, despite the rider being clipped in, she looked at me as if I was having a stroke.

How I feel explaining the history of pedal nomenclature 

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What if we call clipless pedals cleats and flat pedals cleatless? Then we are in the right and the clip vs. clipless nomenclature can also stay as is. 

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1/14/2025 5:43am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 5:49am
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What if we call clipless pedals cleats and flat pedals cleatless? Then we are in the right and the clip vs. clipless nomenclature can also stay...

What if we call clipless pedals cleats and flat pedals cleatless? Then we are in the right and the clip vs. clipless nomenclature can also stay as is. 

IMO there's no reason the keep a nomenclature that no longer serves any purpose... 

Let's just call them "clips", because that term describes what the rider is doing: Clipping in. 

Accurate, intuitive, easy to understand.

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1/14/2025 5:44am
Primoz wrote:
What if we call clipless pedals cleats and flat pedals cleatless? Then we are in the right and the clip vs. clipless nomenclature can also stay...

What if we call clipless pedals cleats and flat pedals cleatless? Then we are in the right and the clip vs. clipless nomenclature can also stay as is. 

Cleats and flats?

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1/14/2025 6:36am
Primoz wrote:
What if we call clipless pedals cleats and flat pedals cleatless? Then we are in the right and the clip vs. clipless nomenclature can also stay...

What if we call clipless pedals cleats and flat pedals cleatless? Then we are in the right and the clip vs. clipless nomenclature can also stay as is. 

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IMO there's no reason the keep a nomenclature that no longer serves any purpose... Let's just call them "clips", because that term describes what the rider is...

IMO there's no reason the keep a nomenclature that no longer serves any purpose... 

Let's just call them "clips", because that term describes what the rider is doing: Clipping in. 

Accurate, intuitive, easy to understand.

We need another shellfish related standard... Clams vs Flats?

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1/14/2025 7:19am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 7:23am
Those oneup pedals are the SPD answer to CB, no rubbish 'play/icy/metal on metal feeling' anymoresolid pedal to shoe contact. Might finally make me switch to SPD...

Those oneup pedals are the SPD answer to CB, no rubbish 'play/icy/metal on metal feeling' anymore
solid pedal to shoe contact. 

Might finally make me switch to SPD - got my preorder in already!

Seems like no matter the platform under it, SPDs have always had this awful feel compared to Mallets for enduro and gravity riding. I am holding out because I have been burned before trying systems other than CrankBros.

It would be amazing to see some reviews (or Vital forum members) to verify this other than the fancy new OneUp advertisement saying it's the best new thing ever of the same old thing you've always used.

Give me Shimano durability with CrankBros feel. I was hoping SRAM would attempt this after they bought TIME, but they seem distracted with many other things.

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1/14/2025 7:44am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 7:44am

Wait, have we figured out if we're all going shorter cranks yet before we switch pedals to clip(less)? This is all moving too fast for my feet. 

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RDR is the same old, are those just XT/XTR calipers with the Saint banjo though? Not Saint calipers but don’t look like the prototypes either

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RDR is the same old, are those just XT/XTR calipers with the Saint banjo though? Not Saint calipers but don’t look like the prototypes either

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Electrical tape, the Maxxis tire sharpie of brake calipers

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Electrical tape, the Maxxis tire sharpie of brake calipers

and still the same saint derailleur that launched in 2012....

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Electrical tape, the Maxxis tire sharpie of brake calipers

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and still the same saint derailleur that launched in 2012....

It straight up works. Why change it? 

Man bike riders are a fickle bunch, not happy when a good product doesn't get updated or revised, not happy when a part constantly changes. 

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1/14/2025 9:19am Edited Date/Time 1/14/2025 10:13am

race face going short on crank length

rf era 160mm hero desktop 4320x2400-2100x1167-39440c09-2db0-46b4-a39e-8fab90b9dc71.jpg?VersionId=aDRoWgrf turbine 160mm hero desktop 4320x2400-2100x1167-9ec393a5-be64-4fc1-bdc4-4351515a46f8
160MM CRANKS. Get shorty. 
Have you ever wondered if you’d benefit from shorter cranks? Along with reducing the chance of a pedal strike, shorter cranks can improve bike fit and alleviate knee pain, all while improving descending performance. You can now get the new 160mm length in our flagship Era carbon and Turbine alloy cranks. All cranks are covered by our Lifetime Warranty, crashes included. 
 
DEFY CARBON CONVENTION 
Let your cranks do the talking. 
Era is the strongest, stiffest and most durable carbon crank ever created by Race Face. One of the lightest in its class with boots to match your chosen colour, Era will outlast your bike while staying scuff-free and looking great. Get them now in 160mm.
 
THE ALLOY ANSWER 
Praise the workhorse. 

The most trustworthy alloy crank on the trails, thirty years running. Turbine delivers an incredibly stiff and responsive ride with uncompromised durability. Go ahead and get rowdy. Turbine has your back. Now in 160mm.

Era Crankset MSRP: $499 USD / $649 CAD / 489 EURO

Turbine Crankset MSRP: $180 USD / $220 CAD / 230 EURO

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1/14/2025 9:40am
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race face going short on crank length 160MM CRANKS. Get shorty.  Have you ever wondered if you’d benefit from shorter cranks? Along with reducing the chance...

race face going short on crank length

rf era 160mm hero desktop 4320x2400-2100x1167-39440c09-2db0-46b4-a39e-8fab90b9dc71.jpg?VersionId=aDRoWgrf turbine 160mm hero desktop 4320x2400-2100x1167-9ec393a5-be64-4fc1-bdc4-4351515a46f8
160MM CRANKS. Get shorty. 
Have you ever wondered if you’d benefit from shorter cranks? Along with reducing the chance of a pedal strike, shorter cranks can improve bike fit and alleviate knee pain, all while improving descending performance. You can now get the new 160mm length in our flagship Era carbon and Turbine alloy cranks. All cranks are covered by our Lifetime Warranty, crashes included. 
 
DEFY CARBON CONVENTION 
Let your cranks do the talking. 
Era is the strongest, stiffest and most durable carbon crank ever created by Race Face. One of the lightest in its class with boots to match your chosen colour, Era will outlast your bike while staying scuff-free and looking great. Get them now in 160mm.
 
THE ALLOY ANSWER 
Praise the workhorse. 

The most trustworthy alloy crank on the trails, thirty years running. Turbine delivers an incredibly stiff and responsive ride with uncompromised durability. Go ahead and get rowdy. Turbine has your back. Now in 160mm.

Era Crankset MSRP: $499 USD / $649 CAD / 489 EURO

Turbine Crankset MSRP: $180 USD / $220 CAD / 230 EURO

Wish they'd do the AeffectR in the 160s too. I've had the 165s on the pedal bike for several years now and they are the best price per weight per tough cranks I've owned. 

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Electrical tape, the Maxxis tire sharpie of brake calipers

It could be just tape to cover the caliper due to mucky conditions. I do that for riding in the snow. 

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1/14/2025 10:03am
Is AP4 cooking something new or trolling?

Is AP4 cooking something new or trolling?

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I would assume it could be a new FRS, new Meta power with bosch gen 5, new clash, that kinda thing?

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It straight up works. Why change it? Man bike riders are a fickle bunch, not happy when a good product doesn't get updated or revised, not happy...

It straight up works. Why change it? 

Man bike riders are a fickle bunch, not happy when a good product doesn't get updated or revised, not happy when a part constantly changes. 

I was simply pointing out its age, and also as a reminder that saint is now shimano's longest running unchanged grouppo. 

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1/14/2025 10:33am
sspomer wrote:
race face going short on crank length 160MM CRANKS. Get shorty.  Have you ever wondered if you’d benefit from shorter cranks? Along with reducing the chance...

race face going short on crank length

rf era 160mm hero desktop 4320x2400-2100x1167-39440c09-2db0-46b4-a39e-8fab90b9dc71.jpg?VersionId=aDRoWgrf turbine 160mm hero desktop 4320x2400-2100x1167-9ec393a5-be64-4fc1-bdc4-4351515a46f8
160MM CRANKS. Get shorty. 
Have you ever wondered if you’d benefit from shorter cranks? Along with reducing the chance of a pedal strike, shorter cranks can improve bike fit and alleviate knee pain, all while improving descending performance. You can now get the new 160mm length in our flagship Era carbon and Turbine alloy cranks. All cranks are covered by our Lifetime Warranty, crashes included. 
 
DEFY CARBON CONVENTION 
Let your cranks do the talking. 
Era is the strongest, stiffest and most durable carbon crank ever created by Race Face. One of the lightest in its class with boots to match your chosen colour, Era will outlast your bike while staying scuff-free and looking great. Get them now in 160mm.
 
THE ALLOY ANSWER 
Praise the workhorse. 

The most trustworthy alloy crank on the trails, thirty years running. Turbine delivers an incredibly stiff and responsive ride with uncompromised durability. Go ahead and get rowdy. Turbine has your back. Now in 160mm.

Era Crankset MSRP: $499 USD / $649 CAD / 489 EURO

Turbine Crankset MSRP: $180 USD / $220 CAD / 230 EURO

How progressive of them to offer cranks 5mm shorter...

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1/14/2025 10:47am

The move to 160mm is irrelevant if, like the 165mm Turbine, they are eternally and perpetually out of stock in the spindle size needed at any given moment. 

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1/14/2025 11:07am
Primoz wrote:

What's wrong with their aluminium flats? They've been solid for me since they dropped the three small outboard bearings... 

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I went through three pairs of them, at some point the bearings or axle eats itself and the pedal gets stuck to the point where I...

I went through three pairs of them, at some point the bearings or axle eats itself and the pedal gets stuck to the point where I had one unscrew itself from the crank. Couldn’t even remove the axle anymore in some cases. Those might have been the old versions though. 

Customer service has been great, they got me fresh pedals every time, but after getting almost stuck in some remote valley I switched to Nukeproof SH enduros and eventually back to Shimano SPDs. On the hope clip pedals right now and they’re great as well. 

The upside for shimano pedals imo is that you can get spares in every bike shop. Don’t know if the oneups can get on that level. 

I bought the first set in 2019 and grenaded the small bearing to the point one of them fell apart and the outer ring remained in the pedal bore. Got sent a new set but then managed to get the outer ring out of the original one and rebuilt it with the bushing rebuild kit. I even have some needle roller bearings at home, but never had correct spacers made to make it work.

I bought a new set for the new bike in 2023, so I have a total of three sets, but the pain was that I bent the axles on the older two sets where I only have one good axle out of the four. OneUp doesn't have the axle as a spare parts (which seems daft to me), so a replacement set of Ti axles from Switzerland was the saviour (2 sets were still cheaper than 1 new set of pedals). One Ti set is a backup and one is in use on my GFs bike (with the newest pedal bodies while I built a new axle-old body set for myself).

1/14/2025 12:53pm
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I was simply pointing out its age, and also as a reminder that saint is now shimano's longest running unchanged grouppo. 

Nine year old component is like a century ago in bike years. What other components that have withstood the test of time that long? maybe some grips/pedals. 

Having to ride tires from 9 years ago sounds like a blast.  

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1/14/2025 1:12pm
Nine year old component is like a century ago in bike years. What other components that have withstood the test of time that long? maybe some...

Nine year old component is like a century ago in bike years. What other components that have withstood the test of time that long? maybe some grips/pedals. 

Having to ride tires from 9 years ago sounds like a blast.  

WinterParkLOOP18x24

Had some of the first Minion DHF 29" samples in 2012. Prior to that 29" options were pretty grim, the best we could do were WTB Weirwolf LT 2.55" and Maxxis Ardent 2.4" (probably what I had on the rear in this photo).

 

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1/14/2025 1:24pm
Had some of the first Minion DHF 29" samples in 2012. Prior to that 29" options were pretty grim, the best we could do were WTB...

WinterParkLOOP18x24

Had some of the first Minion DHF 29" samples in 2012. Prior to that 29" options were pretty grim, the best we could do were WTB Weirwolf LT 2.55" and Maxxis Ardent 2.4" (probably what I had on the rear in this photo).

 

As a delivery driver, it was a banner day getting to deliver one of them to my frame builder buddy. 😎

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Nine year old component is like a century ago in bike years. What other components that have withstood the test of time that long? maybe some...

Nine year old component is like a century ago in bike years. What other components that have withstood the test of time that long? maybe some grips/pedals. 

Having to ride tires from 9 years ago sounds like a blast.  

Thomson everything. I think Bruni still runs the seatpost?

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