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1/15/2025 2:35pm
TimBud wrote:
A few more shots grabbed from the Atherton’s insta:Nothing super clear of the non-drive side yetSimilar to the Pivot but with added Horst

A few more shots grabbed from the Atherton’s insta:

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Nothing super clear of the non-drive side yet

Similar to the Pivot but with added Horst

Domo-Kun wrote:

What are the cranks? 🧐

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1/15/2025 3:28pm Edited Date/Time 1/15/2025 3:29pm

So are we calling Clipless pedals Clip pedals now?  

owl-x wrote:

We are now, still, yes. 

If no one said it so far, in Germany they call them “click”pedals…

That makes sense, German is a very literal language. 

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1/15/2025 3:37pm

Atherton on Pinion. Do we know what gear boxes the other 3 belt teams are using?

1/15/2025 3:42pm Edited Date/Time 1/15/2025 3:43pm
SPD's belong in a hall of fame with Nokia 9210's and cast iron cookware, they'll survive the heat death of the universe. If the OneUp SPD's last...

SPD's belong in a hall of fame with Nokia 9210's and cast iron cookware, they'll survive the heat death of the universe. 

If the OneUp SPD's last even half as long as a shimano they'll be incredible 

Eisma wrote:
Must be coming soon. Landing page banner on their site. I think I'm the only one to not have Shimano pedals last forever. I get 1-2 seasons...
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Must be coming soon. Landing page banner on their site. 

I think I'm the only one to not have Shimano pedals last forever. I get 1-2 seasons on them before the bearings are shot.

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Making me feel easy on stuff. I've somehow got a pair of Crank Bros mallet E's from 2016 that have seen 6 bikes and 8 seasons...

Making me feel easy on stuff. I've somehow got a pair of Crank Bros mallet E's from 2016 that have seen 6 bikes and 8 seasons of riding without ever even been taken apart or any service of any kind, I'm too scared to now to touch them now, it'll ruin them 😅. I feel like I'd be handing Shimano's down to my great grand kids.

I'll be interested as to how well the new One Up's hold up. I find their flats to be hit or miss and the service window is way to short for the average user. The 99% have no idea pedals need to be serviced over a 10 years, let alone 50h.I had a pair in my hands today and they looked solid, but hopefully they are a bit more robust than some of their alloy flats.

I wonder how it happens that everybody seems to be forgetting about the Chromag Pilots. They are my absolutely favourite Pedal out there because of their SPD compatibility and they last forever. The seals are amazing, the first pair now has 2 seasons on it with one containing pretty much daily riding in Whistler and they didn't develope any kind of play or roughness in the bearings. Having 2 pairs running on 2 bikes right now and so far the second pair keeps up with the first one, kind of a no brainer. You just hop on and they never disappoint. They roughly weight a 100 grams more than the OneUp's but that's worth it IMO as they re basically indestructible. And they look dope as well.

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1/15/2025 3:47pm
RaggedEdge wrote:

Atherton on Pinion. Do we know what gear boxes the other 3 belt teams are using?

They're using Pinion. 

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1/15/2025 4:37pm

Let’s be honest Rachel will make a comeback on the belt driven bike and snap up the $100k before anyone else 

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I’ve got a fresh set of 155s sitting in my garage for my Kavenz VHP-G that is on the way.  😈

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1/15/2025 9:46pm
Primoz wrote:

It's a similar layout to the Pivot overall. 

Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....

Side note, I took delivery of a V2 Dreadnaught very recently, Absolute weapon, unless of course youre trying to pedal it up a hill, its just an excuse for better fitness.

 

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1/15/2025 10:10pm
peecee wrote:

Let’s be honest Rachel will make a comeback on the belt driven bike and snap up the $100k before anyone else 

It would be a solid ROI for her and the team.  If she put in a couple months of hard work, she could easily be battling for that win pretty early on in the season.  Its a pretty incredible incentive honestly, willing to bet the other 3 teams are questioning their investment to go after that prize.

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1/16/2025 12:30am
peecee wrote:

Let’s be honest Rachel will make a comeback on the belt driven bike and snap up the $100k before anyone else 

Onawalk wrote:
It would be a solid ROI for her and the team.  If she put in a couple months of hard work, she could easily be battling...

It would be a solid ROI for her and the team.  If she put in a couple months of hard work, she could easily be battling for that win pretty early on in the season.  Its a pretty incredible incentive honestly, willing to bet the other 3 teams are questioning their investment to go after that prize.

I can’t be the only one to hope the belted purse goes on at least into the 2026 season. All these gearbox teams pooping up have made the anticipation for this season so much stronger!

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1/16/2025 1:06am
Primoz wrote:

It's a similar layout to the Pivot overall. 

Onawalk wrote:
Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....Side note, I took delivery of a V2...

Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....

Side note, I took delivery of a V2 Dreadnaught very recently, Absolute weapon, unless of course youre trying to pedal it up a hill, its just an excuse for better fitness.

 

Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get 3 bikes in one - classic low pivot, medium height and proper high pivot. 

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1/16/2025 1:06am

Those 100k Gates put up show one hell of a return on investment already🔥

(and they even didn't need to spend it yet)

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1/16/2025 1:19am
Primoz wrote:

It's a similar layout to the Pivot overall. 

Onawalk wrote:
Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....Side note, I took delivery of a V2...

Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....

Side note, I took delivery of a V2 Dreadnaught very recently, Absolute weapon, unless of course youre trying to pedal it up a hill, its just an excuse for better fitness.

 

Primoz wrote:
Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get...

Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get 3 bikes in one - classic low pivot, medium height and proper high pivot. 

That "patent" alone is the best justification to burn the US patent office to the ground.

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1/16/2025 3:30am Edited Date/Time 1/16/2025 3:30am
nsp234 wrote:

Those 100k Gates put up show one hell of a return on investment already🔥

(and they even didn't need to spend it yet)

I wonder if Pinion is sponsoring any of the teams running gearboxes also.

Potential 100k from gates + whatever sponsorship $ Pinion is putting up could be very attractive at a time when other sponsors are pulling back investments. 

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1/16/2025 5:04am
nsp234 wrote:

Those 100k Gates put up show one hell of a return on investment already🔥

(and they even didn't need to spend it yet)

I wonder if Pinion is sponsoring any of the teams running gearboxes also.Potential 100k from gates + whatever sponsorship $ Pinion is putting up could be...

I wonder if Pinion is sponsoring any of the teams running gearboxes also.

Potential 100k from gates + whatever sponsorship $ Pinion is putting up could be very attractive at a time when other sponsors are pulling back investments. 

Was kind of thinking the same thing, honestly the smartest move by Pinion may just be to not sponsor anyone and have the teams buy the product outright or just give them free product in exchange for a jersey logo? They are kind of forced to run the gearbox to take advantage of the belt and everyone already knows they are running Pinion so why pay to actually sponsor? 

Hard to transfer a Pinion sponsorship to customer sales as well since its not like a consumer is going to go out and buy a gearbox, its probably going to already be on a bike they buy. 

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1/16/2025 5:48am

Saw that the atherton gearbox proto has its top shock mount flipped. Kinematics effected by where the gearbox shifts the lower mount to ?
 

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1/16/2025 6:03am
Sir HC wrote:
Saw that the atherton gearbox proto has its top shock mount flipped. Kinematics effected by where the gearbox shifts the lower mount to ? 

Saw that the atherton gearbox proto has its top shock mount flipped. Kinematics effected by where the gearbox shifts the lower mount to ?
 

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I'm assuming they wanted the kinematics to feel close to the A.200.M, but that would've meant they needed to jump through hoops to get the shock mounted. With a yoke, they can retain the kinematics, have the shock mounted down low for stability, and have a one piece gearbox/lower shock mount. It's essentially a trunnion shock but with a custom eye to eye.

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1/16/2025 6:17am
Sir HC wrote:
Saw that the atherton gearbox proto has its top shock mount flipped. Kinematics effected by where the gearbox shifts the lower mount to ? 

Saw that the atherton gearbox proto has its top shock mount flipped. Kinematics effected by where the gearbox shifts the lower mount to ?
 

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I'm assuming they wanted the kinematics to feel close to the A.200.M, but that would've meant they needed to jump through hoops to get the shock...

I'm assuming they wanted the kinematics to feel close to the A.200.M, but that would've meant they needed to jump through hoops to get the shock mounted. With a yoke, they can retain the kinematics, have the shock mounted down low for stability, and have a one piece gearbox/lower shock mount. It's essentially a trunnion shock but with a custom eye to eye.

it might be as simple as just needing clearance, the lower shock mount appears to go fairly low into the frame.  doesn't appear to be clearance for the reservoir 

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1/16/2025 6:50am
Primoz wrote:

It's a similar layout to the Pivot overall. 

Onawalk wrote:
Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....Side note, I took delivery of a V2...

Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....

Side note, I took delivery of a V2 Dreadnaught very recently, Absolute weapon, unless of course youre trying to pedal it up a hill, its just an excuse for better fitness.

 

No sir not at all. Its a cbf bike so it'll pedal better then any of your other enduro / trial bikes out there. Its also been setup to use the same shock set in different mounting holes to achieve different travel values and leverage ratios. Its literally a dh, enduro, or trail bike dependent on the build. I bet it outrides most others that can only do one as well. The steel (Ti coming soon) frame makes it better damped structurally then others as well. They are really cool rigs. Both the canfield bros offer superior products in my humble opinion. 

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1/16/2025 6:52am
Onawalk wrote:
Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....Side note, I took delivery of a V2...

Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....

Side note, I took delivery of a V2 Dreadnaught very recently, Absolute weapon, unless of course youre trying to pedal it up a hill, its just an excuse for better fitness.

 

Primoz wrote:
Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get...

Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get 3 bikes in one - classic low pivot, medium height and proper high pivot. 

slimshady wrote:

That "patent" alone is the best justification to burn the US patent office to the ground.

No reason more companies couldn't license it as well. I'm sure that's what chris is angling for here. 

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1/16/2025 6:54am
Sir HC wrote:
Saw that the atherton gearbox proto has its top shock mount flipped. Kinematics effected by where the gearbox shifts the lower mount to ? 

Saw that the atherton gearbox proto has its top shock mount flipped. Kinematics effected by where the gearbox shifts the lower mount to ?
 

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when you say flipped are you referring to the yoke rotating the upper shock mount by 90 degrees? (trying to figure out if i misunderstood the initial question)

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1/16/2025 7:26am
Cougar797 wrote:
No sir not at all. Its a cbf bike so it'll pedal better then any of your other enduro / trial bikes out there. Its also...

No sir not at all. Its a cbf bike so it'll pedal better then any of your other enduro / trial bikes out there. Its also been setup to use the same shock set in different mounting holes to achieve different travel values and leverage ratios. Its literally a dh, enduro, or trail bike dependent on the build. I bet it outrides most others that can only do one as well. The steel (Ti coming soon) frame makes it better damped structurally then others as well. They are really cool rigs. Both the canfield bros offer superior products in my humble opinion. 

You sound very unbiased

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1/16/2025 9:55am
I wonder if Pinion is sponsoring any of the teams running gearboxes also.Potential 100k from gates + whatever sponsorship $ Pinion is putting up could be...

I wonder if Pinion is sponsoring any of the teams running gearboxes also.

Potential 100k from gates + whatever sponsorship $ Pinion is putting up could be very attractive at a time when other sponsors are pulling back investments. 

They are also spending some money in the sponsored video series in the other site.

 

Good for them. Next season derailleurs vs gearbox bikes is going to be one of the most talked about topics for sure.

 

And remember there are quite a few races more this year. I would be surprised if Rachel is not able to get the new bike to the top spot at least once. The race is ON!

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1/16/2025 10:01am

It’s wild that Big Belt is pumping this up while it’s the gearbox aspect that’s way more interesting. Pinion has to be hyped!

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1/16/2025 10:14am
sethimus wrote:

that would be bombardier

I don't know how is the snowmobile business these days, but they are going to sell a LOT of gearboxes (specially MGUs) in the next years if they don't have any big issues

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1/16/2025 11:16am

looks like matt walker‘s on a new trek prototype:

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1/16/2025 11:27am

So are we calling Clipless pedals Clip pedals now?  

owl-x wrote:

We are now, still, yes. 

If no one said it so far, in Germany they call them “click”pedals…

clickies

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1/16/2025 11:35am

Am I the only one here who has ever ridden toe clips? I feel old. I am old I guess. I used to ride my toe clip pedals in soccer cleats with rubber spikes for better foot retention. Nice and tight in the chunder on my fully rigid bike but soft enough to be able to rip them out when in need.

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