look up, $121 at REI. i wore them a few times in 30-ish degree weather here in idaho. it wasn't wet, but they were clutch w/ some long underwear beneath at keeping legs just right. i was really stoked on them and i've never ridden in pants like this before for "xc" rides...only rode in bulky pants for DH in the past. if i knew i was going to be riding xc in cold or wet on a regular basis, i wouldn't think twice about these.

cool about the ramones! commencals all look great and seem spec'd really well. my boy loved the twist shifter and the action felt light enough. adult triggers seemed big for his hands. i'd notice he'd have to rock his wrist down on the grip to reach the triggers. he got it done either way but he was stoked on the twist. gripshift comeback 2023 : )

great info and can't agree more on the geo. my littlest guy in the vid is on the specialized riprock 12 bike. the geo is proper on that. he's shredding on it, my older boy learned on it. seeing the geometry on the 12-16" department store bikes is borderline frightening. there are some strange setups out there. it'd be no surprise if a lot of kids hate bikes b/c they started on something so goofy. i've also seen some little rippers at the bmx track on the most awkward bikes, so kids adapt well if budget is an issue. i could see the norco with a rigid fork being basically perfect right now for reasons you stated. trek's roscoe 20 is plus with rigid and looks good. there a bunch 20" plus-tire bikes for groms out there and it's so cool to see. interesting about skipping 24" too.