Were the old Bosch motors + batteries super, super heavy, or was it just Norco's bike design? I've heard that the new SC with same gen5...
Were the old Bosch motors + batteries super, super heavy, or was it just Norco's bike design? I've heard that the new SC with same gen5 will be 22-23kg, and that's with a 600wh battery. That's 48.5-50 lbs, so the same weight range as the current Heckler EP801 with 720wh battery. So it doesn't seem like the new one is particularly light. Maybe the new form factor is problematic too (would explain SC going to 4bar)?
It’s my understanding that this battery being so large and significantly lighter, allows them to integrate the frame design a little better. The current Norco’s are designed where the battery slips out right under the motor.
These new ones you have to remove the motor to get to the battery. At 800 MAH, the reasoning is most people won’t want to swap batteries mid ride with that much range.
I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still...
I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still nice to have with you such as a small pump or CO2, chain breaker, quick link, bacon strips, extra battery, emergency snack, tube, tire lever, etc. I prefer to run edc lite or similar steerer tool or use one of those water bottle cages with the multitool attachment thing.
Back to rumors... seems like you frame storage fans will really love what's coming soon from transition
I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still...
I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still nice to have with you such as a small pump or CO2, chain breaker, quick link, bacon strips, extra battery, emergency snack, tube, tire lever, etc. I prefer to run edc lite or similar steerer tool or use one of those water bottle cages with the multitool attachment thing.
Back to rumors... seems like you frame storage fans will really love what's coming soon from transition
I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still...
I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still nice to have with you such as a small pump or CO2, chain breaker, quick link, bacon strips, extra battery, emergency snack, tube, tire lever, etc. I prefer to run edc lite or similar steerer tool or use one of those water bottle cages with the multitool attachment thing.
Back to rumors... seems like you frame storage fans will really love what's coming soon from transition
its more the fact there isn't a member to connect the chainstay and seatstay at or near the seat tube, meaning the rear isn't a triangle that gives it away
I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still...
I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still nice to have with you such as a small pump or CO2, chain breaker, quick link, bacon strips, extra battery, emergency snack, tube, tire lever, etc. I prefer to run edc lite or similar steerer tool or use one of those water bottle cages with the multitool attachment thing.
Back to rumors... seems like you frame storage fans will really love what's coming soon from transition
No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released...
No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released a Sight/Range VLT...maybe they're moving away from 60lbs carbon eMTBs ?
Another angle of the new SC, I believe you can see a pivot, but still not fully clear.
Dropout pivot above the rear axle, like Rocky's Smoothlink designs from 10 years ago (the years/age doesn't infer a dated design...). I wonder if we still hold the patent for this feature.
No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released...
No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released a Sight/Range VLT...maybe they're moving away from 60lbs carbon eMTBs ?
Another angle of the new SC, I believe you can see a pivot, but still not fully clear.
Dropout pivot above the rear axle, like Rocky's Smoothlink designs from 10 years ago (the years/age doesn't infer a dated design...). I wonder if we still...
Dropout pivot above the rear axle, like Rocky's Smoothlink designs from 10 years ago (the years/age doesn't infer a dated design...). I wonder if we still hold the patent for this feature.
You guys kicked off the steep seat tube angles with that bike. Remember putting a 36 on one of those?
Is this suspension platform going to be exclusive to the e-bikes… or will the new Megatower have a similar layout?
I feel like a big driving force behind a lot of the branded suspension designs was the FSR/Horst Link patent closing off the use of the best layout to other brands; now that protection has gone a lot of brands have adopted that layout. It would not surprise me if more brands move towards the classic 4-bar layout as it's a versatile solution. Not sure if Santa Cruz will be rolling this out over the whole range just yet.
"We know our e-bike customers don't care or even know what VPP is so here's a bike that says SANTA CRUZ on it."
(Am I too cynical?)
Seriously, the transparent marketing just hurts. SC makes nice bikes, VPP is nice, long link four bars are nice, but the cognitive dissonance in marketing messages is fatiguing.
Man I have never had enough cash to consider a santa cruz, but the fact this one has a "legendary collet axle" is really making me consider it.
All jokes aside, they are taking a huge decision to go 4bar, to "make the best ebike we have ever made", but couldn't be bothered to figure out how to fit the 800Wh battery that only weighs 1 extra kg in there?
No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released...
No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released a Sight/Range VLT...maybe they're moving away from 60lbs carbon eMTBs ?
Another angle of the new SC, I believe you can see a pivot, but still not fully clear.
Sight is going to be a dedicated platform rather than shared with the range. I'd have to think the current sight is going to get cut.
If true it's wild that the Sight VLT will have gone through FIVE different generations in the same time the YT Decoy's mould has not changed at all. (which is a testament to the fact YT got it right on the first try)
My 2020/gen 2 Sight VLT was a total POS. Broken chainstays, broken rear axle head, wire harness issues, horrible frame protection and paint, battery weight too high on downtube, too long chainstays (458 and they made them longer the next gen!). Hope they get it right because I really like Norco and they were great to deal with directly for warranty since my local dealer went out of buisness.
Bosch is dropping their embargo on the new motor on Monday. Get ready for a flood of new ebike launches for product you cannot buy for another 6 months.
Bosch is dropping their embargo on the new motor on Monday. Get ready for a flood of new ebike launches for product you cannot buy for...
Bosch is dropping their embargo on the new motor on Monday. Get ready for a flood of new ebike launches for product you cannot buy for another 6 months.
Bosch is dropping their embargo on the new motor on Monday. Get ready for a flood of new ebike launches for product you cannot buy for...
Bosch is dropping their embargo on the new motor on Monday. Get ready for a flood of new ebike launches for product you cannot buy for another 6 months.
Agreed, it doesn't bother me. I meant more that all the brands using the motor on new bikes will hop on the launch hype whether their product is ready for sale or not, and it is most likely not.
The only thing i use the in-frame storage for on my Fuel EX is adding weights to play with sprung/unsprung mass ratio. Tools and stuff in...
The only thing i use the in-frame storage for on my Fuel EX is adding weights to play with sprung/unsprung mass ratio. Tools and stuff in there are too dang loud. In-frame storage is the new mid-fat tire.
On my SJEvo I had some velcro that I attached in the bottom inside of the frame and I'd strap down my tool bag. Made the bike dead quiet.
The only thing i use the in-frame storage for on my Fuel EX is adding weights to play with sprung/unsprung mass ratio. Tools and stuff in...
The only thing i use the in-frame storage for on my Fuel EX is adding weights to play with sprung/unsprung mass ratio. Tools and stuff in there are too dang loud. In-frame storage is the new mid-fat tire.
It’s my understanding that this battery being so large and significantly lighter, allows them to integrate the frame design a little better. The current Norco’s are designed where the battery slips out right under the motor.
These new ones you have to remove the motor to get to the battery. At 800 MAH, the reasoning is most people won’t want to swap batteries mid ride with that much range.
New Sentinel
Assuming not much is changing besides frame storage on carbon models?
But when?
The last rumor I read said 9/25, but that was yesterday and was clearly wrong.
I think it’s the last bike I’m waiting for before I decide what I’m gonna get.
Enhanced
its more the fact there isn't a member to connect the chainstay and seatstay at or near the seat tube, meaning the rear isn't a triangle that gives it away
You should post what you know about the bike then
Dropout pivot above the rear axle, like Rocky's Smoothlink designs from 10 years ago (the years/age doesn't infer a dated design...). I wonder if we still hold the patent for this feature.
You guys kicked off the steep seat tube angles with that bike. Remember putting a 36 on one of those?
The real reason for in frame storage....
I'll just leave it here.
Everyone -"SC are just so boring and generic these days"
Santa Cruz-"Hold my protein meal replacement shake"
"We know our e-bike customers don't care or even know what VPP is so here's a bike that says SANTA CRUZ on it."
(Am I too cynical?)
Is this suspension platform going to be exclusive to the e-bikes… or will the new Megatower have a similar layout?
I feel like a big driving force behind a lot of the branded suspension designs was the FSR/Horst Link patent closing off the use of the best layout to other brands; now that protection has gone a lot of brands have adopted that layout. It would not surprise me if more brands move towards the classic 4-bar layout as it's a versatile solution. Not sure if Santa Cruz will be rolling this out over the whole range just yet.
Seriously, the transparent marketing just hurts. SC makes nice bikes, VPP is nice, long link four bars are nice, but the cognitive dissonance in marketing messages is fatiguing.
Man I have never had enough cash to consider a santa cruz, but the fact this one has a "legendary collet axle" is really making me consider it.
All jokes aside, they are taking a huge decision to go 4bar, to "make the best ebike we have ever made", but couldn't be bothered to figure out how to fit the 800Wh battery that only weighs 1 extra kg in there?
is it close enough to the battery and/or motor that they act as a burrito warmer?
If true it's wild that the Sight VLT will have gone through FIVE different generations in the same time the YT Decoy's mould has not changed at all. (which is a testament to the fact YT got it right on the first try)
My 2020/gen 2 Sight VLT was a total POS. Broken chainstays, broken rear axle head, wire harness issues, horrible frame protection and paint, battery weight too high on downtube, too long chainstays (458 and they made them longer the next gen!). Hope they get it right because I really like Norco and they were great to deal with directly for warranty since my local dealer went out of buisness.
Ugh, SC using the term "pedal bike" as if cyclists weren't bad enough at naming things with things like "clipless pedals".
Bosch is dropping their embargo on the new motor on Monday. Get ready for a flood of new ebike launches for product you cannot buy for another 6 months.
>Product you cannot buy for another 6 months.
You know what? I'm OK with it.
Agreed, it doesn't bother me. I meant more that all the brands using the motor on new bikes will hop on the launch hype whether their product is ready for sale or not, and it is most likely not.
PNW Components has something coming out.
I would be psyched if Pnw did a graphic refresh
Maybe they're doing lights?
Or makeup.
On my SJEvo I had some velcro that I attached in the bottom inside of the frame and I'd strap down my tool bag. Made the bike dead quiet.
Genius idea I love it.
Blenki on what looks like the new frameworks for US Open Dual Slalom