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Anyone with a CNC could make one of these out of a dissent and a vitus sommet if they really wanted to
Anyone with a CNC could make a Gamux Sego too if they REALLY wanted to
Touché
Maybe there's a better thread but
Assuming they kept the leverage curve mostly the same, wouldn't it be easier to just add a floating brake arm
I'd say that the assumption of keeping the leverage curve mostly the same is the issue here - I'd say the reason to go this way is precisely optimising the leverage curve.
I'm not that intune with how the leverage curve is affected by different pivot positions, but time and time again we've seen multi-link bikes driving the shock from the lower link - Specialized with the original Demo and the two current tube and lug prototypes, Santa Cruz moving the whole lineup to be lower link driven when the majority of pedaled bikes previously were driving the shock from the upper link.
Granted, the way Dissent has the two pivots positioned, it's likely this was the easiest way to drive the shock with a horst link, but still, I'd say there's something in there connected to the leverage curve.
Checking back on the existing Dissent, the linkage that drives the shock is essentially the same (vertical link, chain-stay & link connecting the two) I'm guessing that the leverage curve is about the same as before. As opposed to a floating brake arm, the crab link lets you change the axle path so you can optimize both the anti-rise and anti-squat (though in this setup you can't optimize them independently).
Surprised there is no press coverage of the fact that Atherton is making an e-bike. Not even a rumor, they announced it.
I honestly thought they would never go electric
Was in this thread back in October...
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/2020-MTB-Tech-rumors-and-inno…
Wasn’t the V10 driving the shock from the lower link way back?
so you want them to go out of business?
In the announcement video they say it's something they've wanted to do since day one.
I'm curious to see how they integrate the battery into their existing design style. I could see them doing something similar to the Cotic ebike, where the normal bike tubes are also used on the ebike, but with an external battery. Will have to wait til Jan to find out I guess.
V10 always had the lower link drive the shock all the way from the first gen in 2002. But first lower link driving the shock trail/enduro bike was the Nomad 4 in 2017.
Edit: nvm I forgot the Driver 8 existed.
Yeah, the V10 was always lower link driven and that's why SC wanted to move the whole lineup to that layout, because it had benefits to the suspension performance. But the way the V10 is laid out makes sense for a DH bike, but not for something that needs a long dropper post and a water bottle. That's why it took so long for the rest of the lineup to move over.
And then they said, “Oh, hell with that, we gotta put a motor there!”
12 speed til´infinity
Intend dropper features in their happy holidays newsletter.
Aenomoly coming out with an updated switchgrade with 8 steps and ability to use limit screws to define rotation limits.
That info released on vital already
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/aenomaly-unveils-switchgrad…
I wonder how many people asked for eight steps. I am not always 100% confident in which of the three positions my saddle is when things get busy, I can't imagine dealing with eight.
1 position is enough, 3 is a luxury. 8 is a need for diversification, to keep the lights of a good business on, but also, an offer asking to appeal for a different market, people looking at longer distances and Endurance riding, a totally different, still extreme discipline, where every small advantege counts, where comfort will make a huge diferencie
To me it’s like a dropper post, it’s almost always up or down.
Word on the trails is an aluminum 170 travel bike with DJI motor. I’d assume they will call is S.170.E or E.170. Pre-order starts in Jan and I bet delivery is spring/summer.
TBH as an average height sort of guy in NA I'm kind of shocked they've gone ahead with it and keep it going.
I have taken a deep hole..I mean a good insertion depth for granted, as I've ridden a bike that could take a long dropper since before I even had a dropper.
But when that bike went out of production in 2021 and I needed a replacement, I was surprised, and rather disappointed when I looked for a frame of similar reach, same or lower seat tube and a slammed 180 dropper.
5 years later and it's still a thing that disqualifies a majority of bikes from my scope of even caring.
I may have some pretty specific needs for a bike, but I also see the market moving in the same-ish direction because I'm a goof who wants to feel fast but also safe, and a lot of goofs(gooves?) wanna feel safe. Being able to get the shaft out of the way just helps a lot when things get hectic..or when I want to turn actually. Clearly there's companies taking very different approaches, but the fact the biggest "mainstream" companies make bikes I just can't even ride in what I consider a safe matter feels a bit far fetched?
Don't think that's a big problem with the tubes.
In case they go the Carbon route they could team up with CompoTech like Kavenz is doing currently. CompoTech is the parent company of CDuro which already did a prototype of an eBike with the Maxon Motor.
And Aluminium is also easy. You get the tube parts bend as needed and weld them or go the hydroforming route. Buddy of mine did the bending and welding for a prototype eBike he is currently working on.
You do realise that:
A) Atherton is closely working with Renishaw to handle 3D printing of the lugs, so Compotech wouldn't give them the advantage you think they would (it would be a clash of interests in fact)
And
their aluminium bikes are cnc milled precisely to avoid the hydroforming/bending of tubes and subsequent welding.
I’m still hoping they’re developing a wireless bar actuated Switchgrade. There’s real biomechanical advantage to be had in XC racing. Would also get rid of the need for crazy low drop stems we already see and that are only gonna get lower with 32in wheels. Those racers already take the weight penalty of an electronic drivetrain which offers zero biomechanical advantage. A bar mounted way to actuate the Switchgrade could also be sold to the all mountain guys like us quite easily.
Has Atherton Bikes actually said anything about avoiding hydroforming? It shouldn't preclude the existing lugged construction methods.
So basically a version of the Spesh Command Post BlackLite that works? (I know you're talking about a separate component but to me it makes sense to integrate into a dropper so it can share a remote/battery)
tech rumors forum update - you've spoken and have been heard
we'll lock out this thread at the end of the year (no matter what, it's just too darn big now), and will carry on with yearly tech rumors threads that will be stickied for easy participation.
the 2026 thread is already underway here (not yet stickied)
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