All

One of my buddies who rides for Banshee says there are a bunch of new frames coming out this year. Didn't have any details around what's being updated/changed or what's new, but they're coming.

I'm sure you'll get lots of opinions on this. I switched last year from 29er to mullet. Initially there were some moves on local tech climbs I struggled to make on the mullet but then I think I adapted... On the one hand rollover is worse but on the other hand if you do get hung up it's less effort to get things rolling again.

6 is an albert

This - they defo flick a lot up for the first couple of rides but after that they’re good.

I have the same trouble with new butchers. Specialized tires are super sticky on the first couple rides. Seems like mold release or maybe the rubber is just extra sticky until it gets dirty/broken in.

I was thinking part of it might be getting a longer stroke shock, lower leverage rate, and less progression for the Tallboy genre of bike. But it doesn't look like that's going to be the case. As to the 5010, I've got the MX version and for anything less than full-blown enduro bike territory, it's the most fun bike I've ever owned. I'm not trying maximize mileage or overall speed. If you're riding a bike for fun (and you're not in the big mountains), I'll never understand why more people didn't choose MX trail bikes. Now they are disappearing. Maybe...

Where does this leave the 5010? Dead? Still making the old VPP version? New update to bring the new frame/kinematic from the Bronson/Nomad? Short travel mullet bikes are way more fun than they have any right to be. I hope they’re not going the way of the dodo.

I’m not pro-Evil but dude this is like bringing up the Pinto as a reason not to get a new Ford. There may be plenty of relevant and current reasons but this isn’t one.

Would love to see this convo moved over to a thread called “thermoplastic debate/discussion” or similar. This is a dead end technology for now but I understand that a lot of you like talking about it.

I'd be extremely disappointed in the bike industry if they didn't take this opportunity to also introduce a new hub standard. That would be VERY uncharacteristic of them.

This is going to grind some gears... taken from Lewis IG Story.

Why the dissapointment? Without knowing exactly what the bike is, other than hearing info and seeing pics. The ethos/idea of the bike is probably the same? A small travel, super fun and efficient bike - Probably more efficient with this new suspension setup, as well as lighter - But probably also more capable than the previous version. I am stoked to see it, and thinking it could probably be the perfect bike to do it all for me.