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This is the best take on here. Bike companies make things to make money, they aren't your friend, they don't care how rad you get or how slow you are, they just want your cash. If that means making a boring, comfortable, capable bike, then they'll make it.
Huh?
How long have Saints be around for, 11 years now? And Trickstuff are the ones resting on their laurels.
Good joke
I have absolutely no need for another 170mm enduro bike- My 3 year old Knolly Chilcotin rides great and will probably last for many more years.
But I know I'm gonna try and figure out a way to buy one of these...
Saint M820 was 2012, so 12 years.
The only problem I see is that current Shimano Di2 technology is NOT wireless.
Stumpjumper 15 carbon frames will not be able to accomodate for Di2 derailleur cable.
Shimano will be forced to come out with a newer generation with rechargeable batteries on the actual derailleur just like SRAM is able to do both (wireless & cable).
Let's not forget the fact Fox's Neo ecosystem is just around the corner. That includes a wireless dropper, shock and most likely a fork damper too. This Stumpjumper will be the perfect poster child for that system.
Trickstuff brakes are still one of the best brakes on the market after all those years. Over the years they have changed things to make them even better. Like the handlebar support to not damage carbon Bars and other thinks like this.
i love mine and wouldn‘t sell them.
I had some of the Asian copies in my hands and they are ok but the quality cann‘t be compared.
les gets DH pit bits video with some interesting stuff. less electronics, more grinding out metal in 2025!
0:00 - RockShox Fork Rebuilds
1:04 - e13 Sidekick Clutch Hub
2:18 - Removing Frame Material for Flex on Danny Hart's GT
3:39 - Epic Tools - Giant Factory Off-Road
5:50 - Pivot Factory Racing Pits
6:21 - Norco Factory Racing
7:25 - FOX Fork Rebuilds
9:08 - Belt-drive Gearbox Gamux DH Prototype Bike
10:59 - Finn Iles Wants the Win
Except we know from this thread that Shimano are developing, whereas Trickstuff have a new colour
"Similarly, 95% of the people that buy a carbon Stumpjumper never ride it anywhere close to its potential. But with this new version, Spesh has flipped the percentages compared to the Tacoma/4runner. They've optimized the bike for the 95% rather than the 5%. And they're not hiding it. From their website, "It literally uses more travel for the same size bump, thanks to its flatter spring curve in the first 70% of travel." They've made something that for more casual riders (i.e., the 95%) is going to be more comfortable for them (at the speeds and on the terrain they ride) and make it easier for them to find traction."
Yes - I spotted in the video there were a few shots where the rider was using like three quarters plus of the travel riding round a mildly chundery bermed corner.
Whats the final part of the travel going ot feel like on big hits?
Am I oversimplifying it by saying its really the inverse of the EpicWC from last year, where they managed to make it have minimal travel and no sag for moderate use but full movement on the bigger impacts.
If it is, then well done Spesh for changing what we accept as shock performance, even if it does turn into an evolutionary dead end.
Anyone here going to eurobike?
If you are, mor info on new galfer brake please. There is a flash of it in their insta reel
Read the white paper. There is less time bottoming out and less major bottom out events claimed. What’s revolutionary about the shock isn’t how it’s feels for the 70%, like an Enduro, it’s how for that last 30% it doesn’t feel like a 145mm bike slamming into or riding at bottom out.
I think this is one of those developments that we are going to have to ride to understand.
Guys this Genie shock isn't really that revolutionary, its a big air can 3/4 of the travel and a tiny air can the last 1/4 of travel. Its a novel idea and will give you good bottoming resistance without affecting as much of the stroke as traditional volume spacers do but its certainly going to have a feel that I think some wont get along with.
This is a super easy to execute design and one Im sure Fox or Rockshox (the Megneg was connected to the negative chamber but was executed similar with the secondary outer chamber) have thought of in the past but Specialized probably got Fox to see that they could come up with some great marketing and also sell a ton of OEM shocks.
Speaking of e.thirteen hubs, when is the @TEAMROBOT freehub test coming out?
after les gets
Thanks for asking!
It would be hard to say much positive about a single part on this bike (maybe a Chromag pedal fan gives the Scarabs a pass); the shock is laughable, and you can tick parts off finding every one less good than what's offered today. But as a whole it worked surprisingly well and I loved it. If I have an insight here (and I'm not sure I do), it's that bikes I've ridden since then have phenomenal sell sheets and each individual component has a great marketing story, a history of winning, a legion of online fans, etc -- but put them all together and you get a ride that is lackluster. I don't have the resources to do some study on myself and my equipment to tease apart why.
Playing devils advocate here but isnt this problem solved with 1. progressive leverage curves 2. Shock ramp-up via volume spacers 3. HBO damping circuits 4. The severity of a harsh bottom out is way to exaggerated
I'm not saying the stumpy is a bad bike, but "solving" bottom outs really isn't that important IMO.
I will try and get a look at it tomorrow.
Snfoilhat: dimensions, combined wheel and tire weight, and sentiment
Possible. Or the industry could realize some "big jump" in the next few years that makes your 2020 start to feel pretty long in the tooth. This may sound ridiculous but imagine some new wheel/tire tech that requires different frame standards. Or they figure out how to make gearboxes really good and the industry moves towards that. We don't know what it's going to be but it's virtually a guaranteed eventuality that there will be some significant improvement that isn't backwards compatible, and will make older bikes feel outdated. Would be interesting to graph and plot all the major innovations in MTB over the past 40 years. You could probably get pretty good at estimating when the next one will be.
No different than CPU/GPU innovation. Everyone says Moore's law is dead and then Apple releases the M1 chip giving 150% gains over intel. It's logarithmic curves, and between each jump a bunch of people start claiming innovation has plateaued (which is true, but only temporarily).
My buddy runs his shock at like 35% sag. He HAS to be bottoming out that thing so hard, so often. I think a lot of folks either a) don’t mind the feeling of bottoming out constantly or b) don’t mind riding a harsh over-sprung shock.
I’ll tell you that the people involved in making this bike are looking to make bikes that feel good to ride and perform well. The problem with solving the problem on the damper end is that different rider spring rates require different tunes, and that just doesn’t work for the majority of riders. Sure you could look at HBO but there is no way that feels as smooth as a pneumatic solution, and that requires another circuit I assume? Adjusting the psa is just volume reducer. Also, I’m assuming that if you ride heavy on the PSA it’s probably not as detrimental as riding heavy on an HBO where cycling that fluid creates heat and other byproducts, but I’m getting over my skis here now.
im defending the concept here because looking out into the future I am very excited by the possibilities of psa tech in shocks and forks. It’s so much more intuitive and simple compared to other multi-stage air springs. I also like radical thinking and elegant solutions, and compared to a lot of Suspension Contraptions I have seen, this feels most like where I personally would want the technology on my bike to go.
I agree. You get the benefits of lower progression which will work well in less demanding scenarios and a relatively simple but likely very effective ramp-up in spring rate that spreads the bottom-out progression over a wider and more controlled region of travel vs simply reducing volume vs tokens. This shock could work very well for a lot of riders, and if not it's a std size so you can use any shock you like, and if you want more progression it's pretty likely Cascade will make a Link for it like they did the Evo.
Based on the cutaway photos on the other site, looks like this motor shares components with the Bafang BBSHD motor. Namely the delrin gear with the integrated roller cutch, and it's axle/pinion gear. If DJI is using Bafang tech, then I entirely belive their claimed power specs. This could be a slightly de-tuned BBSHD with a neater, integrated motor housing and a recognizable brand name. If these are indeed Bafang designs, might the DJI motors also be serviceable by end users, like the BBS series?
I can work with that. I just need to borrow someone’s Transition Scout size small in my favorite color and have an adventure, camp beside a waterfall, ride in a herd of mountain ponies, overwrite some new positive associations in my bike brain. Easy! :D
Shoutout for wheelsize, which is to say that a modern size-small Scout is still going to feel different than your SX. 26" wheels with single ply tires are A LOT lighter than 29" wheels with trail or DH casing tires. We all rode crazy light wheels and tires for a long time before we got smart about pinchflats and dents, but the tradeoff is that you will never get a big heavy 29" or mullet wheelset to feel as light and playful and flickable as a 26" bike with EXO tires. Two sides of the same coin, sort of like how heavy wagon wheels carry speed over rough terrain so much better than single ply, high-psi 26" wheels and tires.
Maybe a Trek Ticket S?
Very true. I was thinking back about when I worked for Trek 2011-2014. My trail bikes were regularly 27lbs- remedy/slash.
But that was 26” wheels, 650g tires, 10 speed 11-36 cassette, 160 rotors and 4 lbs carbon frames. Everything broke regularly, flat tire once a week kinda thing.
The Danny Hart frame mods are so sick. More flex in the rear triangle, but less at the brake mount. Smart man. Also, cool to see the data-intensive approach from the MS team regarding the new E.Thirteen hub. Have really been impressed by O.Chain and super curious to hear/see more about the Sidekick hub. It's a good time to be a tech nerd.
Yeah idk.
I'll ride one when it's not snowing outside, but I think you've all drunk the cool-aid.
Spring curves really aren't that important in bikes (assuming they're not something insane) and the curve shown from Specialized' marketing material is very very similar to the curves you get on bike with a progressive ramp towards the end.
The most important thing in suspension is damping. An inline 55mm stroke shock on 145mm is just not adequate to produce enough damping force, it doesn't matter how fancy your airspring is.
More of a comment on the bike weight than anything else - most full power big battery e-bikes are designed around having a battery door. You'd be surprised as to how much extra material is needed in order to not make a frame that will fold in on itself with a door for easy hotswaps.
Motor looks nice though. Wonder how tuneable it really is.