Liked a comment on the item Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 2:53 PM

This is such a great comparative review. Thanks Mr. Brines!

Added a comment about feature Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 2:52 PM

One thing to remember, the Specialized Factory Boys (TM) ride the regular stumpy. I know video never communicates how gnarly EWS racing is, but I promise you its mind blowing how hard a lot of the stages are these days. My point is, the bikes really DO have a lot of overlap, and it really is closer than maybe this review makes it seem. Parts swapping, damper swapping, offset and fork swapping could all yield a normal stumpy that is closer to the Evo or vice versa.

Heck, just going to a reduced offset 36 or Lyrik and a better more capable rear shock on the Expert might have pushed it to the front in the head to head testing I did. Point is, we aren't just testing one variable (frame) but the parts as well.

As far as your thoughts on carbon vs alloy, I echo a lot of those in general. That said, the Evo was noticeably more flexy than the Expert. Not an intrinsic part of the material, just the engineering in this case.

I know a lot of people chiming in here who don't echo my sentiment with respect to how harsh the rear end feels. This is why I had other people test the bike. Riders that were as fast (or faster) than me said exactly what I said. Larger riders too trying to push the limit said what I said. Those who are smaller and/or riding at more reasonable speeds found the opposite to be true. Is this a scientific test? Naw. Anecdotal. But its how I had some confidence in what I was feeling.

Either way, do take what other's are saying, as we're all really just data points. The only thing that makes my data point special or unique is I've done this for a long time, have a number of other bikes in the quiver, and ride a silly amount in the summer...so I am comparing it to a benchmark of sorts!

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Added a comment about feature Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 11:27 AM

Totally unrelated, but I just realized how positive of an environment the vital comments section usually is. I wonder why that is..sure would make social medias more fun if it were more often like this.

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Added a comment about feature Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 10:26 AM

Sounds like you'll be happier with the Sentinel. My gut feel.

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Added a comment about feature Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 9:12 AM

Lets just put it this way, I own a Sentinel, I don't own the Evo. 'Nuff said eh?

The Sentinel is a 140 bike that feels like 140 (or maybe more with a good damper). Its also designed around a 160mm fork, which is a plus and the BB is more reasonable.

Which shop do you like better? Where do you ride? Do you race?

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Liked a comment on the item Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 9:08 AM

I weight 180 and race Masters 40-50, but would have been 4th in Expert at my last race. Have been top 5 at National Championships in the recent past. Also top 5 on almost every Strava segment locally against fast Pro's. I live in San Diego which has a crazy amount of high speed chunk...more

Liked a comment on the item Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 8:16 AM

I own both of these bikes right now plus a HTLT. My builds are a little different since I have the SWorks SJ and have put XO1 on the Evo along with SC carbon wheels so take my comments with a grain of salt that it is not an exact comparison.

My experience is that the Evo SLAYS steep...more

Liked a comment on the item Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 8:16 AM

First off great review. I have both of the bikes tested plus an HTLT as well and would echo your experiences in climbing. The Evo is very underrated in this area and it absolutely crushes the climbs. I find that the steep seat tube means that I don't have to fight to keep the front...more

Liked a comment on the item Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 8:16 AM

Holy spacer stack, Batman.

Liked a comment on the item Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 8:16 AM

Great review! I own a S3 Evo 29 and I'm curious how a more weight/pedal friendly spec'd build would change your mind on it being an "Enduro Race Weapon"? Also, did you run the Evo in High or Low mode?
Although the stock build is excellent for the price, it leaves a lot of opportunity...more

Liked a comment on the item Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 8:04 AM

Your dog is very sporty.

Added a comment about feature Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 8:03 AM

Lol. Short headtube = lots of spacers for Jeff.

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Added a comment about feature Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 7:52 AM

I'd wager I am more critical of bikes than most testers. The funny part is this review was literally supposed to take place over one week in the desert and turned into an entire spring, summer and fall. Which was good. It really let me suss out performance of both bikes, and compare them to other bikes like the Transition Sentinel, Trek Slash, Canyon Torque (I know, totally difference) and others.

Few things to realize...

1) I still pretend to race pro, and I'm not light. This is important as the speed I'm trying to carry and the net impact I'm exhibiting down the trail is probably higher than most. I'm not trying to be pretentious here, but I do know if I back off my top end speed a hair, the bike is a lot easier to ride and my thoughts change a bit...but who wants to do that?! I also have to be honest with my riding style. Its less "precise" and more "hold on". Weight + Speed = a lot of what I was noting.

2) I often had this bike with me, along with the Canyon Torque. I always chose the Torque as a race bike. Why? Its so much more forgiving. When tracks are more and more like DH tracks (or at times ARE DH tracks), having a bike that lets you have a "plan B" if things go wrong is important. I'd suggest all want-to-be-enduro racers, at least in the Rocky Mountain Region to go longer travel and more forgiving unless you are Nico-like...and most ams or slo-pros arent.

3) The cool part about the evo is its $3600. Buy this along with something like a Torque and you've got a great race quiver...all for around $8K. Sounds expensive till you realize most guys are racing bikes that retail around that anyway...

4) If there is one bike I'd say is close to the Evo in suspension action its the HTLT, another bike I wasn't super fond of when it came to eating bumps.

5) I did try this bike with CushCore - it was better. I also tried it with true DH casing. Also awesome.

6) I did place 4th "pro" in our local XC race on this thing. I actually wasn't that far off the top 3 either. I'm 200lbs. That says a lot as to how efficient the bike is.

7) I do wish the headset wasn't integrated so you could angleset it (steeper) for longer travel forks

8) It was one of the best bikes I've ever ridden when it comes to geometry balance.

Thanks for the comments dude! Always good to get a discussion going!

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Added a comment about feature Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 7:29 AM

Few comments here...

1) I ran it in both modes, and honestly if you are good enough to tell 1/2 degree of HTA then good on ya. I can't really tell...or if I can my body immediately adapts to it. That said, I ran mostly in the high position just because I needed every mm of crank clearance.

2) Weight was never a concern with me as far as enduro racing is concerned. At this point, I'm fine with anything between 32-38 pounds (this stuff on my bike). Less weight comes out of a corner better and obviously easier to pedal. More weight is planed and less likely to deflect. Both I can handle.

3) My opinion with respect to racing the Evo has more to do with the rear suspension than it does any other one single factor. I actually brought the bike to 3 (or four?) races this summer but it stayed chained to the back of my truck in lieu of something that was more forgiving.

4) You nailed my other complaint as a race bike - it really is too low. Especially for a guy like me who is good on the gas (well, I used to be before everyone started training like TDF athletes lol).

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Added a comment about feature Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 7:22 AM

Curious, what do you weigh? What class are you racing? (not trying to be a dick, I think both of these matter from my experience)

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Added a comment about feature Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 7:21 AM

FWIW, this is something I really did want to do to the bike but for obvious reasons I wasn't allowed to do. Like I said, I had to omit the whole BlackBox shock from the review, so long shocking with a coil *absolutely* would have been out. (though I have a suspicion this is what Jared and Curtis are doing)

Specialized doesn't want people long shocking the thing as it obviously voids the warranty. That said, for the price, I'd absolutely buy the bike, push the fork's travel to 160mm and then pickup a coil in the dimensions you suggested for the hell of it. Doesn't need to be some swanky coil, any coil that is valved right with the right spring will do.

With a simple tire swap and shock swap you could go from "efficient trail bike" to (possible) "enduro weapon". Pretty cool.

The geo is so good I could see this working well, and you'd be all in around $4K...with a bike shop involved

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Liked a comment on the item Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/22/2019 7:18 AM

Interesting you mention both long shocking it and a coil - that's precisely what I've done. I'm running a 216x63 Vivid R2C Coil, 3mm off set bushing and in the low position on my 275 S3, giving the same "effective position" as the standard shock in the high setting. Stroke is limited...more

Added a comment about feature Specialized Stumpjumper EVO vs. Stumpjumper - See How They Compare 2/21/2019 3:21 PM

I actually ended up liking that DPX2 more and more, and I had the opportunity to test a few "special" shocks on that bike. There is room left on the table here, but maybe see if you can't slap a cheap coil on (with the right spring of course) as that might be a better option.

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