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That's not my understanding of an eCVT, based on my conversation with the engineers at Also. They made it sound like the two systems ran on separate motors and were only connected by wires, not gears. It's possible I'm an idiot and have misunderstood the engineer, but is it possible that the term "eCVT" can mean multiple things? I don't know if the Avinox system or Gobao's system is the same as Also, so I have no clue, but it seems to me that eCVT was an automotive term before it was a bike term, so I'm wondering if the...

Thank you chaps, I loved the pod (which I listened to while driving my Ford EV - they do exist!😁). Did you get any impression that DJI tried to partner with existing bike companies when launching the motor? I imagine if a large, established bike company were approached in 2021 with a motor that disregards the 750w requirement of most markets, that they'd've been 100% disinterested. Selling such a bike would jeopardize brand trust, their company stores, dealer relationships, required recalls, etc... Once you're over 750w, why not 7500w? Since DJI already have experience clashing with FAA, DOI, DOD, DOT...

Apologies if there is any redundancy in what I'm posting, I've fallen behind in my efforts to keep up with the discussions here. I've been up in Whistler for a bit during our annual escape here and bikeconomics is on my mind frequently. There is the cost associated with vacationing here, amplified by the costs of keeping a 16 year old rolling down the trails. My willingness to empty my wallet here just because I like Canada and Canadians. The relationship of tariffs to the cost of bike products. The overall sense of cost cutting visible at the resort itself...

As far as I know, the Shimano motors all use similar physical dimensions.. Batteries could be the biggest hurdle, but Gobao offers at least 4 different Batteries currently. So, there's a chance one of them could work..

Great pod btw gents, per usual. I'm a fan of all the bikes: XC, DH, dj, enduro, trail and now my E... but I have a "flaming trash" Shimano ep6 motor/batt on a 2023 Marin Alpine E. Aside from the DH bike, I'll call it the single most fun bike I've ever owned in 36 yrs of riding and it is a pure beast of jolly good times that I have upgraded substantially from stock. But with Jeff's rightful call that "Shimano is out" now - which makes total sense (since clearly DJI or anyone surely isn't going to make...

What about the the rumor that the Gobao will bolt into existing Shimano motor mounts? Plus they have Shimano style displays available. That potentially puts an option out there for people who want an updated motor for their Shimano bike.. Definitely interested to hear if someone has actually done it..

A lot to talk about on this... First the history lessons were actually great. I do believe that a company's past can help predict their future moves.. I do believe DJi removing their name from things as much as possible has a lot to do with the drone stuff.. Put a bit of separation between the companies and not get too much government attention. Especially since our government can be pretty narrow in their focus. See the current Polestar/ Volvo EV situation. Now, it's kinda surprising that companies are will to overlook the Avinox/ Amflow connection because the consumer demand...

It'd be interesting to know what your all-in cost is for a new Shimano motor and battery, and what's even available for replacement for that specific bike. Basically you're asking what the breakeven point is between repairing vs. replacing, and what it would cost to "stock up for the coming motor apocalypse," which would be a great question for the ebike thread: https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/e-bike-talk-not-tech-rumor-derailme… I also keep wondering if some aftermarket vendor is going to crack the code for repairing or refurbishing old motors like yours at a competitive cost.

Wasn't the Syndiacte in a similar situation with Peaty, Minnaar and Ratboy?

Loving this, more of this please.

Throwing this out here on the dedicated ebike thread, Jeff and I go deep on Avinox and Amflow on the Vital BS Podcast: https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/b-s-podcast-rise-dji-drones-e-bikes

Haven't gotten all the way through yet, but I'm finding this very interesting. Thanks for providing a platform/outlet for this kinda stuff.

Wow, great job on this topic. Thanks for weaving this together into a podcast. I’m fascinated by the avinox origin story which goes something like this from what I’ve heard: as they looked to diversify products years ago (probably Covid related) a couple of bike passionate guys in the company suggested e-bikes, after some quick prototyping they shopped around their product to industry players years ago, got a bad reception, and decided to forge ahead on their own. 1. Does this jive with your understanding of their development? I know we’re playing what if’s but can you imagine if say...

Thanks for listening! Vital user pamtbr shared a rumor on the first page of the DJI forum thread similar to the same origin story you mentioned above, but Jeff and I have never heard anything to corroborate it and I don't know what pamtbr's source is, so as far as we're concerned it's apocryphal at best: "'I'm curious if anyone knows whether the DJI motor origin story rumor has any merit. As the rumor goes, at some point in time, Mike Sinyard was looking to develop something along the lines of a Surron. They were starting to pop up in...

most interesting, enlightening, informative conversation I've heard in so long. Great podcast, more of these please.

(Only) an hour in, but this is great so far.

Holy Shit Brandon Semenuk has a podcast and he is talking about ebikes!!! Sign me up! Wait a minute this is just Jeff and Robot, just as hyped!!!