There was talk of a new Saint brake in this thread that would be 6 piston, would have modulation, modern high end braking power and Shimano...
There was talk of a new Saint brake in this thread that would be 6 piston, would have modulation, modern high end braking power and Shimano ease of bleeding...
First time i hear or read about a 6-pot Saint - must have missed it here! Doubt it as all others keep making 4-pots with immense...
First time i hear or read about a 6-pot Saint - must have missed it here! Doubt it as all others keep making 4-pots with immense power - a 6-potter will be quite heavy compared to others!
Might not be 6-pot, but it was connected to the discussion about the Shimano patent for direct mount 6-pot brakes...
There was talk of a new Saint brake in this thread that would be 6 piston, would have modulation, modern high end braking power and Shimano...
There was talk of a new Saint brake in this thread that would be 6 piston, would have modulation, modern high end braking power and Shimano ease of bleeding...
First time i hear or read about a 6-pot Saint - must have missed it here! Doubt it as all others keep making 4-pots with immense...
First time i hear or read about a 6-pot Saint - must have missed it here! Doubt it as all others keep making 4-pots with immense power - a 6-potter will be quite heavy compared to others!
Might not be 6-pot, but it was connected to the discussion about the Shimano patent for direct mount 6-pot brakes...
EDIT: it was in the brakes...
Might not be 6-pot, but it was connected to the discussion about the Shimano patent for direct mount 6-pot brakes...
EDIT: it was in the brakes topic:
Seeing lots of swaps from Shimano to Maven. Sounds like they realize this is an actual issue/threat. Takes a lot to make Shimano move quickly... the Saint brakes are 10+ years old.
Been there, done that. Does better in the deep dust than an Assegai/DHR2 combo, but needs more side-knob support for the hardpack.
Shorty works good for this, Took me awhile to try one as I always assumed more of a wet tyre but its designed for both Deep dust/loam & slightly wet - im using Shorty f/r on my Ebike for the current wet but then dry an dusty conditions we have in NZ at times.
Argotal is a good option aswell.
I might have to give these a go. Assegai up front, and a "fast rolling" Vigilante out back have been my go to for years, but WTB hasn't had fast rolling 27.5's in stock for a loooong time now. I should have bought 20 instead of 8 when REI was blowing them out.
Slight switch of topic…
I saw the part spec. sheet for an unreleased bike, and one of the models was labeled as having “Sram s1000 Transmission”…I...
Slight switch of topic…
I saw the part spec. sheet for an unreleased bike, and one of the models was labeled as having “Sram s1000 Transmission”…I guess confirming mechanical Transmission to be incoming soon?
Maybe not a confirmation, BUT could increase rumors. Iirc patent filing will call what we call drivetrains "transmissions". I still have my hopes out for a mechanical transmission from SRAM though, until then I'll stick with XT/X01.
Shorty works good for this, Took me awhile to try one as I always assumed more of a wet tyre but its designed for both Deep...
Shorty works good for this, Took me awhile to try one as I always assumed more of a wet tyre but its designed for both Deep dust/loam & slightly wet - im using Shorty f/r on my Ebike for the current wet but then dry an dusty conditions we have in NZ at times.
Argotal is a good option aswell.
I just took my Shorties off. Good for the deep dust, but gets pretty wandery at high speed on hard surfaces. Hillbilly side knobs are stouter. Haven't tried the Argotal yet.
A deep dive on the other site had me find this unreleased article. Can't click on it but surely it can't be far away
I'm unable...
A deep dive on the other site had me find this unreleased article. Can't click on it but surely it can't be far away
I'm unable to tell whether it's mechanical or wireless, apologies for the poor quality screenshot.
I’m wondering how crap it will be, GX t-type are shitting themselves and stop working randomly, XO has no clutch tension whatsoever after a couple rides, XX seems to be good, no idea about the XXSL. meh
Looks clunky enough to have a battery. Does seem to have something resembling a cable outer port behind the mounting bolt...
Making it mechanical would be the easiest way to make it cheaper. Make the cable pull ratios the same as eagle and you can use the old shifters. And if you want to have the slow shifting to not rush the cassette, use a 1x click shifter that was available for ebikes in the Eagle days.
I just took my Shorties off. Good for the deep dust, but gets pretty wandery at high speed on hard surfaces. Hillbilly side knobs are stouter. ...
I just took my Shorties off. Good for the deep dust, but gets pretty wandery at high speed on hard surfaces. Hillbilly side knobs are stouter. Haven't tried the Argotal yet.
I've been running the Argotal SS DH this year and it is great on the occasional hardpack. The tire is very square due to the tall side knobs but once you roll it over it don't squirm much and is very stable. The grip in loose dirt, shale/scree and loam is just mind blowing. Highly recommend!
Edit: whoops! Noticed the tire nerd thread just now.
I just took my Shorties off. Good for the deep dust, but gets pretty wandery at high speed on hard surfaces. Hillbilly side knobs are stouter. ...
I just took my Shorties off. Good for the deep dust, but gets pretty wandery at high speed on hard surfaces. Hillbilly side knobs are stouter. Haven't tried the Argotal yet.
I've been running the Argotal SS DH this year and it is great on the occasional hardpack. The tire is very square due to the tall...
I've been running the Argotal SS DH this year and it is great on the occasional hardpack. The tire is very square due to the tall side knobs but once you roll it over it don't squirm much and is very stable. The grip in loose dirt, shale/scree and loam is just mind blowing. Highly recommend!
Edit: whoops! Noticed the tire nerd thread just now.
We should swap fronts on a shuttle day since we have the same wheels and see what the control difference is between the Kryp-F SS and the Argo-SS and compare notes soon
Looks clunky enough to have a battery. Does seem to have something resembling a cable outer port behind the mounting bolt...
Making it mechanical would be...
Looks clunky enough to have a battery. Does seem to have something resembling a cable outer port behind the mounting bolt...
Making it mechanical would be the easiest way to make it cheaper. Make the cable pull ratios the same as eagle and you can use the old shifters. And if you want to have the slow shifting to not rush the cassette, use a 1x click shifter that was available for ebikes in the Eagle days.
Does indeed look almost as chunky as the others, but somehow slightly less so. Could it be they use a smaller battery?
Mechanical would be good though, neglecting the whole budget market OR managing to make electronic affordable enough seems both hard to imagine
Mavens eh? Sounds like sram is running away from Codes as quick as possible.
The public perception of Srams brake options over the years has mind fucked me. In the not too distant past there were world cup DH riders using guides and most people were fairly happy with them. For quite a while now Codes (especially the RSC) has been a benchmark for a very good brake for basically any application and everybody decided to shit on guides. Now that mavens simply exist I guess we have to steer clear of codes because they are garbage now.
I’ll be on current saints till I need adult diapers.
There was talk of a new Saint brake in this thread that would be 6 piston, would have modulation, modern high end braking power and Shimano...
There was talk of a new Saint brake in this thread that would be 6 piston, would have modulation, modern high end braking power and Shimano ease of bleeding...
Idk if it was Saint but I’ve seen a wireless shimano drivetrain and new brakes being tested in the last month. They looked very nearly ready for production.
The public perception of Srams brake options over the years has mind fucked me. In the not too distant past there were world cup DH riders...
The public perception of Srams brake options over the years has mind fucked me. In the not too distant past there were world cup DH riders using guides and most people were fairly happy with them. For quite a while now Codes (especially the RSC) has been a benchmark for a very good brake for basically any application and everybody decided to shit on guides. Now that mavens simply exist I guess we have to steer clear of codes because they are garbage now.
I’ll be on current saints till I need adult diapers.
You could need adult diapers today if you drink enough…
I'm guessing Shimano will be releasing an updated Saint brake soon, with minor changes- the current (“old”) Saints don’t suffer from the issues that many people have with the other Shimano brakes.
The public perception of Srams brake options over the years has mind fucked me. In the not too distant past there were world cup DH riders...
The public perception of Srams brake options over the years has mind fucked me. In the not too distant past there were world cup DH riders using guides and most people were fairly happy with them. For quite a while now Codes (especially the RSC) has been a benchmark for a very good brake for basically any application and everybody decided to shit on guides. Now that mavens simply exist I guess we have to steer clear of codes because they are garbage now.
I’ll be on current saints till I need adult diapers.
that's because codes are indeed garbage, they were before and they will be in the future, little power and lot of strength required to obtain it, the exact opposite of what a "downhill" brake should be
Deore four piston brakes are better thsn codes. Saints are way better. Ive had my saints thru 5 boikes in 10yrs. They still work amazing w cheap nukeproof metallic pads. The code r's that came on my latest bike(yt decoy) develooed lever slop, friction and subsequent power loss in acouple months and tgey werent as powerful even when they were new. Code rsc with the bearing pivots are much better than code r. Id still take my saints over code rsc. Not many, if any bike part , is still relevant after 10 yrs. I havent tried trp's , hayes dominion , hope evo tech 4 though
Ibis teasing a bike to drop on July 2nd on their Instagram. May be a hardtail.
Any word on when the High Roller 3 is going to show up? It looks like the deep dust & baked hardpack tire I could use right about now.
Absolutely no idea what you're talking about
Instagram post of said tease
Might not be 6-pot, but it was connected to the discussion about the Shimano patent for direct mount 6-pot brakes...
EDIT: it was in the brakes topic:
Seeing lots of swaps from Shimano to Maven. Sounds like they realize this is an actual issue/threat. Takes a lot to make Shimano move quickly... the Saint brakes are 10+ years old.
Get a Magic Mary, thank me later
Theres zero need for a 6 pot brake.
I'd wager Shimano won't make one.
There 4 pot is plenty powerful just needs refinements like pad contact and no wandering bite point of doom.
A thicker rotor would be good from them though.
Been there, done that. Does better in the deep dust than an Assegai/DHR2 combo, but needs more side-knob support for the hardpack.
Shorty works good for this, Took me awhile to try one as I always assumed more of a wet tyre but its designed for both Deep dust/loam & slightly wet - im using Shorty f/r on my Ebike for the current wet but then dry an dusty conditions we have in NZ at times.
Argotal is a good option aswell.
And caliper pistons that don't self destruct every 6 months.
I might have to give these a go. Assegai up front, and a "fast rolling" Vigilante out back have been my go to for years, but WTB hasn't had fast rolling 27.5's in stock for a loooong time now. I should have bought 20 instead of 8 when REI was blowing them out.
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/tire-chat-nerds-only
ffs
Maybe not a confirmation, BUT could increase rumors. Iirc patent filing will call what we call drivetrains "transmissions". I still have my hopes out for a mechanical transmission from SRAM though, until then I'll stick with XT/X01.
I just took my Shorties off. Good for the deep dust, but gets pretty wandery at high speed on hard surfaces. Hillbilly side knobs are stouter. Haven't tried the Argotal yet.
A deep dive on the other site had me find this unreleased article. Can't click on it but surely it can't be far away
I'm unable to tell whether it's mechanical or wireless, apologies for the poor quality screenshot.
I’m wondering how crap it will be, GX t-type are shitting themselves and stop working randomly, XO has no clutch tension whatsoever after a couple rides, XX seems to be good, no idea about the XXSL. meh
Looks clunky enough to have a battery. Does seem to have something resembling a cable outer port behind the mounting bolt...
Making it mechanical would be the easiest way to make it cheaper. Make the cable pull ratios the same as eagle and you can use the old shifters. And if you want to have the slow shifting to not rush the cassette, use a 1x click shifter that was available for ebikes in the Eagle days.
I've been running the Argotal SS DH this year and it is great on the occasional hardpack. The tire is very square due to the tall side knobs but once you roll it over it don't squirm much and is very stable. The grip in loose dirt, shale/scree and loam is just mind blowing. Highly recommend!
Edit: whoops! Noticed the tire nerd thread just now.
We should swap fronts on a shuttle day since we have the same wheels and see what the control difference is between the Kryp-F SS and the Argo-SS and compare notes soon
Can you share the URL you got that from?
Does indeed look almost as chunky as the others, but somehow slightly less so. Could it be they use a smaller battery?
Mechanical would be good though, neglecting the whole budget market OR managing to make electronic affordable enough seems both hard to imagine
The public perception of Srams brake options over the years has mind fucked me. In the not too distant past there were world cup DH riders using guides and most people were fairly happy with them. For quite a while now Codes (especially the RSC) has been a benchmark for a very good brake for basically any application and everybody decided to shit on guides. Now that mavens simply exist I guess we have to steer clear of codes because they are garbage now.
I’ll be on current saints till I need adult diapers.
Idk if it was Saint but I’ve seen a wireless shimano drivetrain and new brakes being tested in the last month. They looked very nearly ready for production.
Xt&Xtr wireless dt's along with new brakes for these groups are coming end of year.
No news of new Saint though.
You could need adult diapers today if you drink enough…
I'm guessing Shimano will be releasing an updated Saint brake soon, with minor changes- the current (“old”) Saints don’t suffer from the issues that many people have with the other Shimano brakes.
Possibly thicker rotors, smaller primary cylinder diameter.
that's because codes are indeed garbage, they were before and they will be in the future, little power and lot of strength required to obtain it, the exact opposite of what a "downhill" brake should be
When will that YT Light emtb be released? And any word on additional Orbea Rise models (M20)?
Deore four piston brakes are better thsn codes. Saints are way better. Ive had my saints thru 5 boikes in 10yrs. They still work amazing w cheap nukeproof metallic pads. The code r's that came on my latest bike(yt decoy) develooed lever slop, friction and subsequent power loss in acouple months and tgey werent as powerful even when they were new. Code rsc with the bearing pivots are much better than code r. Id still take my saints over code rsc. Not many, if any bike part , is still relevant after 10 yrs. I havent tried trp's , hayes dominion , hope evo tech 4 though
I heard mid july rumoured for that yt. I'm super curious as well. I wouldnt doubt if we see a new full powered decoy as well