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You’re not the first to assert Leaf is winning in spite of the gearbox… instead of wondering if the benefits to unsprung mass might outweigh the loss of efficiency. Is it that hard to believe Lief might prefer the Vanth? Last I heard he demoed the bike before signing with Priority. They didn’t hold a gun to his head and make him ride the bike… it’s very possible he could’ve found another sponsor if he wanted… Let’s not forget Enduro is timed only on the downhill. And there’s clearly an unquantifiable benefit to having weight under the BB…as demonstrated by...

Am I the only one that thinks using a bike diaper to hide pretty basic suspension is kinda lame. I guess it gets the people talking though.

If they move those bars any lower, we're gonna have to start worrying about bar <-> tire clearance at full compression

friends don't let friends ride maguras today's view from the office (Davos in the background):

I just did a 3300 foot climb this morning, starting from my office parking lot. Sometimes I forget how spoiled we are out West. Also, how do you drop a pound from just swapping brakes?

Agreed. Smooch it up, nerds. I created this thread to chat about e-bikes because the tech forum got sick of too much emtb talk. Now you two are having a pissing contest about nothing. Kiss and be friends or go battle it out in the emtbforums, not here.

Now you two kiss. 😘

ffs, the same shit you are pulling over at emtbforums. the few extra watts of drag with the m1 were never ever in a region that would be noticable in range. stop spreading your nonsense. and your nonsense about a chain ring protection system adding a pound:

So far all the criticism of Avinox in this thread has been from people that haven’t spent any time on bikes equipped with it. I’ve drafted numerous responses as someone who owns, rides and sells Avinox. But its just not worth it, the cognitive dissonance in here is ridiculous. Some people are just committed to hating it. We have just sold our last Fazua (thankfully) and sell a good of Bosch (it is still our shop preference) too. They are doing things completely legitimately. But they’d be doing a lot better if they didn’t have such a crazy high buy...

Bosch does not have heart rate controlled assist yet. You can integrate and see your heart rate but having the assist automatically adjust to your heart rate in real time is still exclusive to Avinox. If you’re using an ebike as a training tool, that is undeniably very enticing.

They have sold so many, 30,000 in 2025 supposedly. If they were as bad as the second and third generation Levo we would’ve heard by now. People love to complain about stuff breaking.

The M2S is a little bit better than a Bosch on virtually every aspect: weight, size, noise, efficiency, software, overall package (screen, controllers, lights), price of the bikes. But much more importantly, just look at the bikes, take any Bosch bike like the commencal, crestline, orbea, then compare their Avinox equivalent, they are just so much better looking. On top of that, a lot of brands have released sub-5k ebikes with the M2, some are even carbon. There is also the fact that they are releasing things much much faster than the other brands. This is coming from a happy...

It weighs less and has more power. As smooth or smoother than the competition (partially due to its much higher wheel polling). Batteries also have class leading power to weight density. But clearly they are selling well during the worst, most painful era the industry has ever seen because of "spreadsheet shoppers".

I am not an emtb owner yet but I will be at some point. I've ridden several gen's of Levo's, some SC offerings, some Pivot offerings, and some Shimano equipped emtb's. The thing that was remarkable to me about the Avinox bike I recently took for a very short spin was the small size of the motor, the very quiet operation, and the slim downtube profile. The combo of the slim downtube and the small motor are impressive in their stealthiness. I am excited to see what the new TQ system looks like.

Remember, there are alot of people who are what I've heard referred to as "Speadsheet Shoppers".. And with them, bigger is better. More watts, more better.. Bigger battery, better.. Avinox has done a good job at delivering more without a huge weight penalty. And from what I've heard, the new motor has done a good job addressing issues with the first motor. Refer to the podcast with Jeff and Robot. They are a tech company addressing things the way a tech company does. But, with all that said, I'm really interested in the rumors of a full power TQ motor...

The s5 has a terrible f/r ratio...

The nighttain has a 20T for the larger of the jackshaft rings, not sure about the smaller, and a 27T chainring. A chain link rotates 11.25 degrees (22.5 total) going onto and off a 16T idler and 9 degrees going onto a 20T ring. Add in the fact that there are two rings on the jackshaft and that's at least 18 degrees total. A little more because one of the rings is smaller by the looks of it. Then the smaller chainring is a little less efficient than a 32T. Maybe if you compare it to a bike that uses...

Currently there is a material difference in traction control due to the number of magnets in the wheel sensor. Avinox also leads with 3rd party integration such as heart rate controlled assist and the whole system is cleaner in general with wireless remotes and a really solid touch screen display.

Hepha Urban Commuter prototype with Gobao ECVT, motor brake and energy recuperation: