2026 MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation - Longer and Slacker

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5/4/2026 7:07am
AndehM wrote:
One of the nice things about the Filmore valves is even if you shear off the stem, it will hold pressure.  I've never done this, but...

One of the nice things about the Filmore valves is even if you shear off the stem, it will hold pressure.  I've never done this, but was talking to a shuttle driver up in Downieville who'd had that happen to him.  Said it was pretty wild.

Happened to one of my friends on our bike trip. He was able to finish the shuttle day without issues. My lesson learned is to put a spare valve in my emergency kit.

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I can confirm that new saint is 8spd not 7spd (because Shimano) and that it will not be launched this till next summer. It has a...

I can confirm that new saint is 8spd not 7spd (because Shimano) and that it will not be launched this till next summer. It has a clutch too, and rumoured to have a "enduro" version for 12spd cassettes for riders who want silence not pedaling effciency

The 2.2mm rotors everyone is running in Korea, should have been launched with all the new brakes last season and make a huge difference to the lever feel

"and rumoured to have a "enduro" version for 12spd cassettes for riders who want silence not pedaling effciency."

If they are really going to the double-spring system on all their other mechanical models, this is very welcome news indeed.

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5/4/2026 7:56am

Saw the new Maxxis DHF2 or however they will call it on an Enduro-Mag tester‘s bike. So I assume they will be released soon. 
I refer to the tire that is run pretty frequently by Goldstone for example

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5/4/2026 9:11am

New Intense Tazer is live! We have a Forum Hot Seat happening now (for the day) with Intense's own John Hall, so any questions you can can about the bike can be directed here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/new-intense-tazer-forum-hot-seat-intense-cycles

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5/4/2026 10:28am

I would love a meat-bike version with these exact specs.  Also, the new design language that's been carried over from the Spider continues to be beautiful.  If you imagine that thing without a motor or battery and an appropriately-sized downtube and BB as a result, that's a lovely looking bike. 

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5/4/2026 10:45am Edited Date/Time 5/4/2026 10:47am
I would love a meat-bike version with these exact specs.  Also, the new design language that's been carried over from the Spider continues to be beautiful...

I would love a meat-bike version with these exact specs.  Also, the new design language that's been carried over from the Spider continues to be beautiful.  If you imagine that thing without a motor or battery and an appropriately-sized downtube and BB as a result, that's a lovely looking bike. 

IMG 9046 1IMG 9045 1IMG 9043 1Keep an eye on the China Cycle Show 

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5/4/2026 10:52am
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I sincerely hope for Shimano the 8spd cassette has 12spd spacing and the same width as existing 7spd cassettes, otherwise it'll be dead on arrival...

I sincerely hope for Shimano the 8spd cassette has 12spd spacing and the same width as existing 7spd cassettes, otherwise it'll be dead on arrival ... Unless they make it compatible only with their hubs with a new proprietary hub format, until other brands maange to get their hands on the freewheel format (remember microspline? I do)

They now have a nice habbit of arriving 3-5 years too late on everything, like transmission, brakes, ebike motors, crankset length, ... wonder what's going on at the head of the company ?!

yzedf wrote:
The head of the company is worried about what makes them the most money. They get to it when it’s convenient and does not cost them...

The head of the company is worried about what makes them the most money. They get to it when it’s convenient and does not cost them as much money would be my guess. 

https://www.shimano.com/en/ir/library/financial_reports.html

They need to make the business healthy again, 23-26 hasn’t been great.  

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Re: new saint. 

12spd long cage saint would be super rad, especially if xt&xtr mechanical moves to dual spring instead of a clutch. But I need to get assurance if I’m retarded or not; it’s been mentioned now that this theoretical 12spd saint would retain a clutch for those who are “not concerned about efficiency.” What in the hell does a clutch have to do with drivetrain efficiency? Besides slightly affecting suspension feel, more so if your bike has a lot of chain growth, how would a clutch vs dual spring have any effect on the what the bike feels like? That simply makes no sense to me.

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Re: new saint. 12spd long cage saint would be super rad, especially if xt&xtr mechanical moves to dual spring instead of a clutch. But I need to...

Re: new saint. 

12spd long cage saint would be super rad, especially if xt&xtr mechanical moves to dual spring instead of a clutch. But I need to get assurance if I’m retarded or not; it’s been mentioned now that this theoretical 12spd saint would retain a clutch for those who are “not concerned about efficiency.” What in the hell does a clutch have to do with drivetrain efficiency? Besides slightly affecting suspension feel, more so if your bike has a lot of chain growth, how would a clutch vs dual spring have any effect on the what the bike feels like? That simply makes no sense to me.

Try riding a shimano derailleur with the clutch switched off and you'll feel the difference in performance shifting wise straight away.

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5/4/2026 1:50pm
Ploutre wrote:
I sincerely hope for Shimano the 8spd cassette has 12spd spacing and the same width as existing 7spd cassettes, otherwise it'll be dead on arrival...

I sincerely hope for Shimano the 8spd cassette has 12spd spacing and the same width as existing 7spd cassettes, otherwise it'll be dead on arrival ... Unless they make it compatible only with their hubs with a new proprietary hub format, until other brands maange to get their hands on the freewheel format (remember microspline? I do)

They now have a nice habbit of arriving 3-5 years too late on everything, like transmission, brakes, ebike motors, crankset length, ... wonder what's going on at the head of the company ?!

As long as the spline interface is the same, the body width is irrelevant. It looks like they are coming up with short freehub bodies, but unlike XD jobbers the full-length splines of Micro Spline means a narrower 8sp cassette would just need spacers to fit on a 12sp MS freehub as long as the interface is the same. Shimano developing a new cassette standard just for DH would be very unlike Shimano. That doesn't fit their M.O.

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5/4/2026 4:29pm
Fred_Pop wrote:

Try riding a shimano derailleur with the clutch switched off and you'll feel the difference in performance shifting wise straight away.

I tried once but my chain fell off and I couldn't shift. 

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JVP wrote:

I tried once but my chain fell off and I couldn't shift. 

Sure it doesn’t shift great, but how active and plush was your suspension, eh?

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They’ve always been this way. Besides the RapidRise and Dual Control failures, they usually play things super conservative. It’s also interesting how they’ve come up with...

They’ve always been this way. Besides the RapidRise and Dual Control failures, they usually play things super conservative. It’s also interesting how they’ve come up with some unique standards like Centerlock that nobody wants to fully embrace. Sram has been the more innovative company for two decades now. I think it’s literally a dishonor to Shimano’s culture to admit defeat if (and when) someone else comes out with a superior idea or standard. They literally can’t adopt it, or comply with it. 

But they’ll be fine. They sell a LOT of fishing reels…

Karabuka wrote:
Shimano fishing is only about 20-25% of the revenue, they are still primarily making bike parts. But IIRC they absolutely dominate OEM lowerend market and this...

Shimano fishing is only about 20-25% of the revenue, they are still primarily making bike parts. But IIRC they absolutely dominate OEM lowerend market and this is the part of the market SRAM doesnt even compete in. In the end Shimano is still 3 billion company while SRAM is 1 billion company, even if we exclude fishing they still make double the revenue of SRAM. But I agree, everything in high end market (mtb and road) has been absolutely dominated by SRAM lately when it comes to technology, their strategy (to offer pretty much every bike component) has been really well planed and executed. But this is already topic for another thread. I still dont like their approach of treating customers as test base though, 2/3 of my friends have had problems with their AXS though while I have changed the cable on my grx today and it was still working even though it was due last summer :D

SRAM is more “innovative” by bringing new shiny things to market much faster than Shimano. But I’ve found over the years SRAM has brought some things to market a little too st at the expense of quality and warranty issues. 

Shimano on the other hand is slower to adapt and respond, but historically their execution is much better. Their new products typically (not always)have less issues associated with them. 

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5/4/2026 7:53pm
They’ve always been this way. Besides the RapidRise and Dual Control failures, they usually play things super conservative. It’s also interesting how they’ve come up with...

They’ve always been this way. Besides the RapidRise and Dual Control failures, they usually play things super conservative. It’s also interesting how they’ve come up with some unique standards like Centerlock that nobody wants to fully embrace. Sram has been the more innovative company for two decades now. I think it’s literally a dishonor to Shimano’s culture to admit defeat if (and when) someone else comes out with a superior idea or standard. They literally can’t adopt it, or comply with it. 

But they’ll be fine. They sell a LOT of fishing reels…

Karabuka wrote:
Shimano fishing is only about 20-25% of the revenue, they are still primarily making bike parts. But IIRC they absolutely dominate OEM lowerend market and this...

Shimano fishing is only about 20-25% of the revenue, they are still primarily making bike parts. But IIRC they absolutely dominate OEM lowerend market and this is the part of the market SRAM doesnt even compete in. In the end Shimano is still 3 billion company while SRAM is 1 billion company, even if we exclude fishing they still make double the revenue of SRAM. But I agree, everything in high end market (mtb and road) has been absolutely dominated by SRAM lately when it comes to technology, their strategy (to offer pretty much every bike component) has been really well planed and executed. But this is already topic for another thread. I still dont like their approach of treating customers as test base though, 2/3 of my friends have had problems with their AXS though while I have changed the cable on my grx today and it was still working even though it was due last summer :D

SRAM is more “innovative” by bringing new shiny things to market much faster than Shimano. But I’ve found over the years SRAM has brought some things...

SRAM is more “innovative” by bringing new shiny things to market much faster than Shimano. But I’ve found over the years SRAM has brought some things to market a little too st at the expense of quality and warranty issues. 

Shimano on the other hand is slower to adapt and respond, but historically their execution is much better. Their new products typically (not always)have less issues associated with them. 

And yet, they haven't introduced anything as good as the XD driver many years later. Don't be a homer.

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Karabuka wrote:
Shimano fishing is only about 20-25% of the revenue, they are still primarily making bike parts. But IIRC they absolutely dominate OEM lowerend market and this...

Shimano fishing is only about 20-25% of the revenue, they are still primarily making bike parts. But IIRC they absolutely dominate OEM lowerend market and this is the part of the market SRAM doesnt even compete in. In the end Shimano is still 3 billion company while SRAM is 1 billion company, even if we exclude fishing they still make double the revenue of SRAM. But I agree, everything in high end market (mtb and road) has been absolutely dominated by SRAM lately when it comes to technology, their strategy (to offer pretty much every bike component) has been really well planed and executed. But this is already topic for another thread. I still dont like their approach of treating customers as test base though, 2/3 of my friends have had problems with their AXS though while I have changed the cable on my grx today and it was still working even though it was due last summer :D

SRAM is more “innovative” by bringing new shiny things to market much faster than Shimano. But I’ve found over the years SRAM has brought some things...

SRAM is more “innovative” by bringing new shiny things to market much faster than Shimano. But I’ve found over the years SRAM has brought some things to market a little too st at the expense of quality and warranty issues. 

Shimano on the other hand is slower to adapt and respond, but historically their execution is much better. Their new products typically (not always)have less issues associated with them. 

ballz wrote:

And yet, they haven't introduced anything as good as the XD driver many years later. Don't be a homer.

I would hesitate to call the XD driver good, it works just fine and allowed for the 10 tooth cog but in all honesty, my experience with microspline has been far better. Feels more secure, and I like having the engagement along nearly the entire cassette rather than just at the end, and not having the cassette have to be completely one piece or riveted together is not a problem. 

Sram has killed it in bringing new product to market quickly, in being the one stop shop for OEM, and their marketing is definitely working, but I won't say that their products performance is better than Shimanos, though it is miles better than it used to be. 

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5/4/2026 9:23pm Edited Date/Time 5/4/2026 9:24pm
SRAM is more “innovative” by bringing new shiny things to market much faster than Shimano. But I’ve found over the years SRAM has brought some things...

SRAM is more “innovative” by bringing new shiny things to market much faster than Shimano. But I’ve found over the years SRAM has brought some things to market a little too st at the expense of quality and warranty issues. 

Shimano on the other hand is slower to adapt and respond, but historically their execution is much better. Their new products typically (not always)have less issues associated with them. 

ballz wrote:

And yet, they haven't introduced anything as good as the XD driver many years later. Don't be a homer.

Eae903 wrote:
I would hesitate to call the XD driver good, it works just fine and allowed for the 10 tooth cog but in all honesty, my experience...

I would hesitate to call the XD driver good, it works just fine and allowed for the 10 tooth cog but in all honesty, my experience with microspline has been far better. Feels more secure, and I like having the engagement along nearly the entire cassette rather than just at the end, and not having the cassette have to be completely one piece or riveted together is not a problem. 

Sram has killed it in bringing new product to market quickly, in being the one stop shop for OEM, and their marketing is definitely working, but I won't say that their products performance is better than Shimanos, though it is miles better than it used to be. 

Microspine drivers are a blight against humanity and should die in a fire along with the stupid plastic spacer they require to prevent Shimano cassettes from creaking like a haunted house. The only thing that might be worse than the microspine interface and its woefully anemic, made of cheese, lock ring might be the actual cassettes themselves which in the year of our lord 2026 still are half singe piece pinned garbage that falls apart and half stamped metal plates with spacers. Seriously, 12 speed shimano stuff is the most disappointing experience I've ever had with a drivetrain. I hate working on them, I hate their crap clutches, I hate their cassettes, and I hate microspline. 

I know everyone is different, but man it felt good to get that off my chest. 

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5/4/2026 9:53pm Edited Date/Time 5/4/2026 9:56pm
DServy wrote:
Microspine drivers are a blight against humanity and should die in a fire along with the stupid plastic spacer they require to prevent Shimano cassettes from...

Microspine drivers are a blight against humanity and should die in a fire along with the stupid plastic spacer they require to prevent Shimano cassettes from creaking like a haunted house. The only thing that might be worse than the microspine interface and its woefully anemic, made of cheese, lock ring might be the actual cassettes themselves which in the year of our lord 2026 still are half singe piece pinned garbage that falls apart and half stamped metal plates with spacers. Seriously, 12 speed shimano stuff is the most disappointing experience I've ever had with a drivetrain. I hate working on them, I hate their crap clutches, I hate their cassettes, and I hate microspline. 

I know everyone is different, but man it felt good to get that off my chest. 

I stripped a lockring during the industry's COVID hangover and none of the bike stores near me had spares.  "You too, huh?" they all asked me.  Awful design.  At least I now know how easy it is to do so I won't do it again.

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5/5/2026 12:02am
Fred_Pop wrote:

Try riding a shimano derailleur with the clutch switched off and you'll feel the difference in performance shifting wise straight away.

Nice tie in with the ochain posts. With an ochain security is much better, so running no clutch / clutch off becomes pretty doable.

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I am fine with 12spd Eagle X01 durability, except for the clutches. Although I always liked Shimano I wasn‘t blown away by their 12spd mtb stuff. 

What absolutely amazes me is their 11spd Linkglide XT! I have 10.000km on my first cassette and second chain, now it is worn, but it still doesn‘t miss a single shift. I never even had to adjust the cable tension. It is so good, it is almost too good to be true. 250-300g more weight on the cassette to the Eagle. And only 11-50t, not 10 to 50t.

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Fred_Pop wrote:

Try riding a shimano derailleur with the clutch switched off and you'll feel the difference in performance shifting wise straight away.

JVP wrote:

I tried once but my chain fell off and I couldn't shift. 

Try doing it going flat or uphill and you'll notice how much better the shifting is. For going down I recommend putting the clutch back on. 

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5/5/2026 4:16am

Nice tie in with the ochain posts. With an ochain security is much better, so running no clutch / clutch off becomes pretty doable.

Correct me if I'm wrong,  wouldn't the Ochain free up the suspension movement from the clutch keeping some tension on the chain?

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5/5/2026 5:03am

As the ring can rotate forward with the narrow wide chain meshed to the ring, the forces are dealt with by that spider rotation rather than the chain moving in an undamped fashion.

When the spider moves it takes the chain with it, so rather than losing tension you can think about it as if the drivetrain is rotating freely around the crank. 

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5/5/2026 8:00am

Ok, let's bring back Procore, but that Italian version that used a modified tubular road tire so no inner tube.  The valve is now smart and when your tire pressure drops it allows the air to blow out of your inner tire into the main one

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5/5/2026 8:32am Edited Date/Time 5/5/2026 8:33am
Ok, let's bring back Procore, but that Italian version that used a modified tubular road tire so no inner tube.  The valve is now smart and...

Ok, let's bring back Procore, but that Italian version that used a modified tubular road tire so no inner tube.  The valve is now smart and when your tire pressure drops it allows the air to blow out of your inner tire into the main one

They did for Paris-Roubaix (but it's not smart so maybe it's SemiPro Core?

"Mounted to the rims was something new to the WorldTour peloton: Odyssey’s OPTIS tunable insert system, which uses an inflatable core as a rim-protecting insert, allowing mechanics to tune ride characteristics based on rider weight, tyre pressure, and terrain."

https://escapecollective.com/paris-roubaix-2026-tech-gallery/

 


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5/5/2026 9:19am
dolface wrote:
They did for Paris-Roubaix (but it's not smart so maybe it's SemiPro Core?"Mounted to the rims was something new to the WorldTour peloton: Odyssey’s OPTIS tunable...

They did for Paris-Roubaix (but it's not smart so maybe it's SemiPro Core?

"Mounted to the rims was something new to the WorldTour peloton: Odyssey’s OPTIS tunable insert system, which uses an inflatable core as a rim-protecting insert, allowing mechanics to tune ride characteristics based on rider weight, tyre pressure, and terrain."

https://escapecollective.com/paris-roubaix-2026-tech-gallery/

 


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I know a few bike mechanics that work at Fairdale dealers who have been riding the Odyssey Optis system for a little over a year now.

It’s a pain in the butt to setup, but the homeys like it.   They have also mostly told Odyssey that the setup is enough of a pain in the butt that they’d rather not install them for customers.IMG 1028

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5/5/2026 9:22am

RMU NIGHTTRAIN Highlights:

  • 170mm of rear wheel travel // 170 or 190mm fork travel
  • Mid-pivot, 6-bar flex-stay Orion suspension platform with dual idler drivetrain layout
  • 6066-T6 aluminum frame
  • 63° head tube angle
  • Size-specific chainstay lengths
  • 12x157mm SuperBoost rear spacing
  • Four sizes: S1, S2, S3, S4
  • Lifetime frame warranty
  • Weight (size S2): Deore - 37 lb (16.78 kg) | XT Di2 - 36 lb (16.32 kg) | Saint DH - 40 lb (18.14 kg) | Frameset w/ FOX Factory X2 shock - 10.2 lb (4.63 kg)
  • MSRP (USD): Deore - $4,999 | XT Di2 - $6,999 | Saint DH - $6,499 | Frameset w/ FOX Factory X2 shock - $2,499
  • Pre-orders open now, shipping begins July, 2026
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RMU NIGHTTRAIN Highlights:170mm of rear wheel travel // 170 or 190mm fork travelMid-pivot, 6-bar flex-stay Orion suspension platform with dual idler drivetrain layout6066-T6 aluminum frame63° head...

RMU NIGHTTRAIN Highlights:

  • 170mm of rear wheel travel // 170 or 190mm fork travel
  • Mid-pivot, 6-bar flex-stay Orion suspension platform with dual idler drivetrain layout
  • 6066-T6 aluminum frame
  • 63° head tube angle
  • Size-specific chainstay lengths
  • 12x157mm SuperBoost rear spacing
  • Four sizes: S1, S2, S3, S4
  • Lifetime frame warranty
  • Weight (size S2): Deore - 37 lb (16.78 kg) | XT Di2 - 36 lb (16.32 kg) | Saint DH - 40 lb (18.14 kg) | Frameset w/ FOX Factory X2 shock - 10.2 lb (4.63 kg)
  • MSRP (USD): Deore - $4,999 | XT Di2 - $6,999 | Saint DH - $6,499 | Frameset w/ FOX Factory X2 shock - $2,499
  • Pre-orders open now, shipping begins July, 2026
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DServy wrote:
Microspine drivers are a blight against humanity and should die in a fire along with the stupid plastic spacer they require to prevent Shimano cassettes from...

Microspine drivers are a blight against humanity and should die in a fire along with the stupid plastic spacer they require to prevent Shimano cassettes from creaking like a haunted house. The only thing that might be worse than the microspine interface and its woefully anemic, made of cheese, lock ring might be the actual cassettes themselves which in the year of our lord 2026 still are half singe piece pinned garbage that falls apart and half stamped metal plates with spacers. Seriously, 12 speed shimano stuff is the most disappointing experience I've ever had with a drivetrain. I hate working on them, I hate their crap clutches, I hate their cassettes, and I hate microspline. 

I know everyone is different, but man it felt good to get that off my chest. 

I have a true love/hate relationship with the microspline, I really prefer the gear ratio of the MS over Sram, the 45t second gear is the perfect ratio for me, I use the granny bailout gear on maybe three occasions a year. But beyond that, it's a massive pain in the ass, the lockring will strip if you ever need to reinstall them, I'll drop the cassette nearly every time I remove it and then spend the next 15-20min looking for all the cogs and spacers, then remembering what spacer goes where... totally unnecessary. 

Recently got a new MS wheelset for my wife's bike, and one for my Sram equipped bike, and swapping both types of cassette over on the same afternoon, it really highlighted how much of a PITA the Shimano cassette is.

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