Is a brake really that hard to design and manufacture? It's not a super simple product but it is just an assembly of a bunch of...
Is a brake really that hard to design and manufacture? It's not a super simple product but it is just an assembly of a bunch of fairly straightforward parts. It's not like a rim or a carbon frame where you need expensive tooling and a bunch of special sauce on the engineering side of things to get a functional product.
Good point on the "cranks come with bikes" statement. Shorter cranks seem like a huge thing at the moment because everyone that's talking about their short cranks online, but the percentage of people actually buying them i guess is really really small. If Shimano would offer the XT in 160 and 155 then it'd probably kill most people's interest in most of the smaller brands, but they'd also have to figure out how to communicate to buyers that their boring looking crank is actually built in a way cooler way than cutting it into shape on a mill.
Is it hard? I think one account that does lurk here could answer that. That would be @CascadeComponents . Id love to see input on this. I dont know why mountain bike stems are so expensive when everyone seems to be making them. Its a dumb “I need everything matching” kind of product. But if everyone is producing brakes and the market has a lot of genuinely decent competitors and hopefully parts that are standardized, Id love that. Hopefully they would maybe be less expensive with a market that is becoming more saturated and competitive. But honestly Im kind of laughing at my self while typing this because Im just thinking about the stem market. Because it seems that will never change.
Is a brake really that hard to design and manufacture? It's not a super simple product but it is just an assembly of a bunch of...
Is a brake really that hard to design and manufacture? It's not a super simple product but it is just an assembly of a bunch of fairly straightforward parts. It's not like a rim or a carbon frame where you need expensive tooling and a bunch of special sauce on the engineering side of things to get a functional product.
Good point on the "cranks come with bikes" statement. Shorter cranks seem like a huge thing at the moment because everyone that's talking about their short cranks online, but the percentage of people actually buying them i guess is really really small. If Shimano would offer the XT in 160 and 155 then it'd probably kill most people's interest in most of the smaller brands, but they'd also have to figure out how to communicate to buyers that their boring looking crank is actually built in a way cooler way than cutting it into shape on a mill.
Is it hard? I think one account that does lurk here could answer that. That would be @CascadeComponents . Id love to see input on this...
Is it hard? I think one account that does lurk here could answer that. That would be @CascadeComponents . Id love to see input on this. I dont know why mountain bike stems are so expensive when everyone seems to be making them. Its a dumb “I need everything matching” kind of product. But if everyone is producing brakes and the market has a lot of genuinely decent competitors and hopefully parts that are standardized, Id love that. Hopefully they would maybe be less expensive with a market that is becoming more saturated and competitive. But honestly Im kind of laughing at my self while typing this because Im just thinking about the stem market. Because it seems that will never change.
RIP the Ragley Stubbing stem from Chain Reaction. $50, low stack height, and looked pretty good.
Are brakes the new component that we've realised is easy to make with a run-of-the-mill machine shop?I expected more cranks to go with the overpopulated machined-stem-and-pedal...
Are brakes the new component that we've realised is easy to make with a run-of-the-mill machine shop?
I expected more cranks to go with the overpopulated machined-stem-and-pedal market, especially since 5dev proved that you don't even need to make a good product to charge stupid amounts for it, but perhaps we're leapfrogging to brakes instead.
make a brake it's easy, make one that works properly is not as there are not many in the market, if it needs constant bleeding it's not good, if you need to pull super hard on the lever to get anything at the caliper it sucks too, if there's no modulation same, also if the lever starts to rattle, wiggle, if the pistons don't move correctly and constantly need to be cleaned and lubed it's not good either.
No experience, but I'd say brakes anything but simple. They are a component that gets upgraded often, which makes them interesting to the aftermarket. Everybody needs...
No experience, but I'd say brakes anything but simple. They are a component that gets upgraded often, which makes them interesting to the aftermarket. Everybody needs pedals, but with the way modern bikes and drivetrains are specced and sold, aftermarket cranks are a hard sell in the aftermarket as far as I've thought about things. You have to be VERY special (or chase parts built bikes) to get a sell.
What I honestly don't understand is why people buy the likes of 5DEV (okay, length is a factor here), Actofive (SignatureX, single piece crank), upcoming Lewis crank as, SignatureX at least, the machined crank is heavier and more expensive than what Sram offers in the GX Eagle spec. I get what Garbaruk (and Actofive Signature) are trying to accomplish, which makes sense, but then you have Shimano with their XT crank that is hollow forged. Plus with a bonded crank you always have the chance of delamination (Garbaruk at least bolts it together).
The XT crankset is a good candidate for durability but they can still suffer from sheared spindles.
I would put Race Face Turbines above XTs for winning a durability contest. The Shimano BB is leaps and bounds better than the 30mm RF one though.
Is a brake really that hard to design and manufacture? It's not a super simple product but it is just an assembly of a bunch of...
Is a brake really that hard to design and manufacture? It's not a super simple product but it is just an assembly of a bunch of fairly straightforward parts. It's not like a rim or a carbon frame where you need expensive tooling and a bunch of special sauce on the engineering side of things to get a functional product.
Good point on the "cranks come with bikes" statement. Shorter cranks seem like a huge thing at the moment because everyone that's talking about their short cranks online, but the percentage of people actually buying them i guess is really really small. If Shimano would offer the XT in 160 and 155 then it'd probably kill most people's interest in most of the smaller brands, but they'd also have to figure out how to communicate to buyers that their boring looking crank is actually built in a way cooler way than cutting it into shape on a mill.
Is it hard? I think one account that does lurk here could answer that. That would be @CascadeComponents . Id love to see input on this...
Is it hard? I think one account that does lurk here could answer that. That would be @CascadeComponents . Id love to see input on this. I dont know why mountain bike stems are so expensive when everyone seems to be making them. Its a dumb “I need everything matching” kind of product. But if everyone is producing brakes and the market has a lot of genuinely decent competitors and hopefully parts that are standardized, Id love that. Hopefully they would maybe be less expensive with a market that is becoming more saturated and competitive. But honestly Im kind of laughing at my self while typing this because Im just thinking about the stem market. Because it seems that will never change.
Yeah but the cascade stem is 42.069 mm. It’s clearly superior
Is a brake really that hard to design and manufacture? It's not a super simple product but it is just an assembly of a bunch of...
Is a brake really that hard to design and manufacture? It's not a super simple product but it is just an assembly of a bunch of fairly straightforward parts. It's not like a rim or a carbon frame where you need expensive tooling and a bunch of special sauce on the engineering side of things to get a functional product.
Good point on the "cranks come with bikes" statement. Shorter cranks seem like a huge thing at the moment because everyone that's talking about their short cranks online, but the percentage of people actually buying them i guess is really really small. If Shimano would offer the XT in 160 and 155 then it'd probably kill most people's interest in most of the smaller brands, but they'd also have to figure out how to communicate to buyers that their boring looking crank is actually built in a way cooler way than cutting it into shape on a mill.
Brakes are challenging.
There's quite a bit of engineering involved in sealing them, and making sure they stay sealed properly, as you can have a rim crack, but break failure is totally unacceptable. So given that you need to have a 0% failure rate, it makes it quite a serious undertaking.
Rims are relatively simple, it's just that nobody has an autoclave at home large enough to bake one. But the actual design and layup isn't very complicated.
Baking a rim is the easy part. It's not even needed depending on the choice of resin. And you don't need high pressures, you can get a lot done with just vacuum (and ambient air pressure compacting things). Making the molds is the hard part. At least for rims.
Baking a rim is the easy part. It's not even needed depending on the choice of resin. And you don't need high pressures, you can get...
Baking a rim is the easy part. It's not even needed depending on the choice of resin. And you don't need high pressures, you can get a lot done with just vacuum (and ambient air pressure compacting things). Making the molds is the hard part. At least for rims.
Entirely true. The machined tolerance of moulds has to be very high.
But again, people make carbon bikes at home, it's just that the mould for a rim is mega expensive as it's normally one massive central piece and a bunch of interlocking rams to compress the carbon. It's just not worth it for a "cheap" part for people to make at home, compared to making a carbon frame.
I think bike performance is so high these days very few parts are "easy" to make, and certainly not a brake system.
For those who didn't leave this page (an attitude that I support):- OG bikeworks was developing an aftermarket kit for dropper posts (don't know which brands)...
For those who didn't leave this page (an attitude that I support): - OG bikeworks was developing an aftermarket kit for dropper posts (don't know which brands), to go where the actator usually sits. That was before working with BikeYoke - OG collaborated with BikeYoke to integrate it into their post - they couldn't settle on terms and terminated the collaboration - OG is now back at the aftermarket approach and plans to have something ready in 6 months
FWIW, this is OG's version of the story, BikeYoke / Sacki didn't seem to be present in the MTBR thread
They also mentioned "Our aftermarket product was already in the works before our collaboration with BikeYoke began, and they were fully aware of our plans to...
They also mentioned "Our aftermarket product was already in the works before our collaboration with BikeYoke began, and they were fully aware of our plans to launch an aftermarket kit."
Turns out it was not on good terms. BikeYoke has entered the chat and apparently this product doesn't been the German standards. Sorry for beating the...
Turns out it was not on good terms. BikeYoke has entered the chat and apparently this product doesn't been the German standards. Sorry for beating the dead horse but context needs to be present for vital readers
Meh. I wanted to buy a bike yoke until I had a bunch come through the shop sagging, and still being pretty low mileage. I reset them, and the sagging came right back. No thanks.
612 Parts brakes (and probably their other stuff) is manufactured/machined by Radoxx in Germany. They also machine the brakes (and probably the rest of the stuff) for Intend BC as well.
New components brand coming out tomorrow made by some great riders.
Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.
Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems, grips, saddles and street trials tires. Also looks like there will be a new Minnaar signature grip called the Bamba according to Probikeshop insta.
Could this be a brand started by Probikeshop and am I the only one that thinks the branding looks like it‘s at least 10 years past its prime?
Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems...
Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.
Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems, grips, saddles and street trials tires. Also looks like there will be a new Minnaar signature grip called the Bamba according to Probikeshop insta.
Could this be a brand started by Probikeshop and am I the only one that thinks the branding looks like it‘s at least 10 years past its prime?
What's going to happen to the burgtec signature grip then?
Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems...
Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.
Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems, grips, saddles and street trials tires. Also looks like there will be a new Minnaar signature grip called the Bamba according to Probikeshop insta.
Could this be a brand started by Probikeshop and am I the only one that thinks the branding looks like it‘s at least 10 years past its prime?
Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems...
Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.
Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems, grips, saddles and street trials tires. Also looks like there will be a new Minnaar signature grip called the Bamba according to Probikeshop insta.
Could this be a brand started by Probikeshop and am I the only one that thinks the branding looks like it‘s at least 10 years past its prime?
What's going to happen to the burgtec signature grip then?
A boy can have more than one grip design he likes.
Burgtec could spin it like "when the old man was fast he used these."
I have no idea how this will all shake out and I have no knowledge of this situation at all. I have a little knowledge of how these things sometimes work out in the music/musician/musical gear world and I can imagine the endorsement/sponsorship contract stuff is similar.
I'm sure the intellectual property of the design lay with Burgtec and they (Burgtec and Minnaar) had some sort of licensing/use of his name and likeness/endorsement deal. That deal probably has a stipulation around timeframe and/or if sponsorship changes. If I were a betting man, I'd bet Burgtec will rename the grips and keep 'em in the line OR keep the name the same and stop referring to them as "Bartender Pro Greg Minnaar Signature Grip." In fact, they already have a Bartender grip (at a 30mm diameter compared to the Bartender Pro GM Signature 31.5mm diameter). I'd bet we'll see something like a "Fat Bartender Grip" with 31.5mm diameter...or maybe their deal allows for the product to exist in perpetuity no matter Greg's future sponsorship status.
If Burgtec wanted to be sorta snarky about it, they'd release identical grips called "GOAT Grips" or something like that. I'd buy 'em just because that's petty as hell and I have their stem on one of my bikes.
Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems...
Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.
Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems, grips, saddles and street trials tires. Also looks like there will be a new Minnaar signature grip called the Bamba according to Probikeshop insta.
Could this be a brand started by Probikeshop and am I the only one that thinks the branding looks like it‘s at least 10 years past its prime?
They seem to have a proto CAST DH tyre made by Pirelli as well.
Something seems very fishy around Cast. I can't tell you what yet, but I would bet money on it.
I'm expecting a bunch of half baked ideas and quarter baked forced marketing (Mous case anyone?) before they drop off the map while Tarek laughs all the way to the bank.
Is it hard? I think one account that does lurk here could answer that. That would be @CascadeComponents . Id love to see input on this. I dont know why mountain bike stems are so expensive when everyone seems to be making them. Its a dumb “I need everything matching” kind of product. But if everyone is producing brakes and the market has a lot of genuinely decent competitors and hopefully parts that are standardized, Id love that. Hopefully they would maybe be less expensive with a market that is becoming more saturated and competitive. But honestly Im kind of laughing at my self while typing this because Im just thinking about the stem market. Because it seems that will never change.
RIP the Ragley Stubbing stem from Chain Reaction. $50, low stack height, and looked pretty good.
make a brake it's easy, make one that works properly is not as there are not many in the market, if it needs constant bleeding it's not good, if you need to pull super hard on the lever to get anything at the caliper it sucks too, if there's no modulation same, also if the lever starts to rattle, wiggle, if the pistons don't move correctly and constantly need to be cleaned and lubed it's not good either.
The XT crankset is a good candidate for durability but they can still suffer from sheared spindles.
I would put Race Face Turbines above XTs for winning a durability contest. The Shimano BB is leaps and bounds better than the 30mm RF one though.
Same goes for Saint vs. Atlas cranksets.
Yeah but the cascade stem is 42.069 mm. It’s clearly superior
Brakes are challenging.
There's quite a bit of engineering involved in sealing them, and making sure they stay sealed properly, as you can have a rim crack, but break failure is totally unacceptable. So given that you need to have a 0% failure rate, it makes it quite a serious undertaking.
Rims are relatively simple, it's just that nobody has an autoclave at home large enough to bake one. But the actual design and layup isn't very complicated.
Baking a rim is the easy part. It's not even needed depending on the choice of resin. And you don't need high pressures, you can get a lot done with just vacuum (and ambient air pressure compacting things). Making the molds is the hard part. At least for rims.
Entirely true. The machined tolerance of moulds has to be very high.
But again, people make carbon bikes at home, it's just that the mould for a rim is mega expensive as it's normally one massive central piece and a bunch of interlocking rams to compress the carbon. It's just not worth it for a "cheap" part for people to make at home, compared to making a carbon frame.
I think bike performance is so high these days very few parts are "easy" to make, and certainly not a brake system.
Meh. I wanted to buy a bike yoke until I had a bunch come through the shop sagging, and still being pretty low mileage. I reset them, and the sagging came right back. No thanks.
Anyone have any info on a potential new mechanical 13-speed GRX dropping anytime soon?
612 die bremse?
612 Parts brakes (and probably their other stuff) is manufactured/machined by Radoxx in Germany. They also machine the brakes (and probably the rest of the stuff) for Intend BC as well.
How has no one posted here in four days? Is the internet broken? Is everybody alright?
https://www.instagram.com/enrouelibrepodcast/p/DDoU0UlORWf/?img_index=1
New components brand coming out tomorrow made by some great riders.
Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.
Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems, grips, saddles and street trials tires. Also looks like there will be a new Minnaar signature grip called the Bamba according to Probikeshop insta.
Could this be a brand started by Probikeshop and am I the only one that thinks the branding looks like it‘s at least 10 years past its prime?
What's going to happen to the burgtec signature grip then?
What's so impressive about Burgtec? They're nothing but a name. Quality is average at best.
I <3 Bamba
A boy can have more than one grip design he likes.
Burgtec could spin it like "when the old man was fast he used these."
I have no idea how this will all shake out and I have no knowledge of this situation at all. I have a little knowledge of how these things sometimes work out in the music/musician/musical gear world and I can imagine the endorsement/sponsorship contract stuff is similar.
I'm sure the intellectual property of the design lay with Burgtec and they (Burgtec and Minnaar) had some sort of licensing/use of his name and likeness/endorsement deal. That deal probably has a stipulation around timeframe and/or if sponsorship changes. If I were a betting man, I'd bet Burgtec will rename the grips and keep 'em in the line OR keep the name the same and stop referring to them as "Bartender Pro Greg Minnaar Signature Grip." In fact, they already have a Bartender grip (at a 30mm diameter compared to the Bartender Pro GM Signature 31.5mm diameter). I'd bet we'll see something like a "Fat Bartender Grip" with 31.5mm diameter...or maybe their deal allows for the product to exist in perpetuity no matter Greg's future sponsorship status.
If Burgtec wanted to be sorta snarky about it, they'd release identical grips called "GOAT Grips" or something like that. I'd buy 'em just because that's petty as hell and I have their stem on one of my bikes.
They make bars in the sweep and rise that I like, but more importantly, they make a Greg Minaar signature grip.
They seem to have a proto CAST DH tyre made by Pirelli as well.
failing to adress an international audience doesn't look like they are oriented for success
That's a French podcast profile, not the company profile.
Ah, yes, I’ve been concerned there aren’t enough choices in the stem category.
Something seems very fishy around Cast. I can't tell you what yet, but I would bet money on it.
I'm expecting a bunch of half baked ideas and quarter baked forced marketing (Mous case anyone?) before they drop off the map while Tarek laughs all the way to the bank.
can’t spot any shifter cable. Could this finally be wireless shimano out in the wild?
I've heard April would be a good time to expect some new Shimano stuff
April Showers bring DI2 flowers
Its an ebike, looks like XT linkglide to me, black cassette and all