ok im kinda laughing at this. I know they already made one with a vivid and that was funny enough but for some reason seeing an X2 stroked to make 125mm just tickles me. Norco went so unhinged with the Optic build and I absolutely love them for it. Short travel high pivot... Entire separate linkage to run MX... and offering stock Vivid/X2 options for 125 travel lol. Surely these product dev team meetings have gotta be a blast.
ok im kinda laughing at this. I know they already made one with a vivid and that was funny enough but for some reason seeing an X2 stroked to make 125mm just tickles me. Norco went so unhinged with the Optic build and I absolutely love them for it. Short travel high pivot... Entire separate linkage to run MX... and offering stock Vivid/X2 options for 125 travel lol. Surely these product dev team meetings have gotta be a blast.
Remember when Dodge slapped a hellcat engine into a Pacifica
Having spent a bunch of time on the new Optic, it actually does make sense. It's the single best descending 125mm bike I've ever ridden, and with the x2 you can easily stroke it to just shy of 140mm. It pops, it's agile, it jumps extremely well, it plows. On single black chattery tech I kept up with my buddy on his range without issue. It does EVERYTHING downhill and it does it extremely well (within reason, it's obviously no superenduro/dh bike). The increased oil volume over the float X makes a ton of sense for a lot of the people who are going to ride this bike to its full potential.
For what it's worth, the FS product manager has his personal Optic set up with a coil.
It just pedals about the same as my long-shocked Deviate Claymore.
ok im kinda laughing at this. I know they already made one with a vivid and that was funny enough but for some reason seeing an X2 stroked to make 125mm just tickles me. Norco went so unhinged with the Optic build and I absolutely love them for it. Short travel high pivot... Entire separate linkage to run MX... and offering stock Vivid/X2 options for 125 travel lol. Surely these product dev team meetings have gotta be a blast.
I mean it may seem comical in a way but theyre thinking ahead. They know people are going to do this anyways. Or at least are curious to do this. Why not just make it a 1 stop shop.
Another little birdie also mentioned to me that the Forbidden E-Bike is going to be “very special”. If it comes with the DJI motor, it will...
Another little birdie also mentioned to me that the Forbidden E-Bike is going to be “very special”. If it comes with the DJI motor, it will indeed be very special.
Has anybody tried the DJI stuff on a bike yet? I'm curious how it compares to a ep801, cx line gen 5, specialized drive units. I've...
Has anybody tried the DJI stuff on a bike yet? I'm curious how it compares to a ep801, cx line gen 5, specialized drive units. I've liked the bosch and specialized units I've ridden.
I’ve ridden it a little as a riding buddy works for DJI and it’s a big step up in terms of power compared to Bosch, brose and Shimano motors. The software and a few little extras built in seem really clever, the adaptive power mode (like Bosch e-Mtb) uses some built into the bike pitch and yaw sensors so it knows when the bike is going uphill and gives more assistance. The bike they’ve built it into seems decent (simple and well executed 4 bar but not going to get anyone overly excited) the main promise is in the motor and the software. Also helps that it’s about 1.5-2 kg lighter than an equivalent bike with a Bosch, brose or Shimano unit and battery.
Another little birdie also mentioned to me that the Forbidden E-Bike is going to be “very special”. If it comes with the DJI motor, it will...
Another little birdie also mentioned to me that the Forbidden E-Bike is going to be “very special”. If it comes with the DJI motor, it will indeed be very special.
Has anybody tried the DJI stuff on a bike yet? I'm curious how it compares to a ep801, cx line gen 5, specialized drive units. I've...
Has anybody tried the DJI stuff on a bike yet? I'm curious how it compares to a ep801, cx line gen 5, specialized drive units. I've liked the bosch and specialized units I've ridden.
I’ve ridden it a little as a riding buddy works for DJI and it’s a big step up in terms of power compared to Bosch, brose...
I’ve ridden it a little as a riding buddy works for DJI and it’s a big step up in terms of power compared to Bosch, brose and Shimano motors. The software and a few little extras built in seem really clever, the adaptive power mode (like Bosch e-Mtb) uses some built into the bike pitch and yaw sensors so it knows when the bike is going uphill and gives more assistance. The bike they’ve built it into seems decent (simple and well executed 4 bar but not going to get anyone overly excited) the main promise is in the motor and the software. Also helps that it’s about 1.5-2 kg lighter than an equivalent bike with a Bosch, brose or Shimano unit and battery.
Power is still impressive. With the high power you probably need a quite big battery, otherwise it'll be empty quite soon. For me its still more about the bike.
Has anybody tried the DJI stuff on a bike yet? I'm curious how it compares to a ep801, cx line gen 5, specialized drive units. I've...
Has anybody tried the DJI stuff on a bike yet? I'm curious how it compares to a ep801, cx line gen 5, specialized drive units. I've liked the bosch and specialized units I've ridden.
I’ve ridden it a little as a riding buddy works for DJI and it’s a big step up in terms of power compared to Bosch, brose...
I’ve ridden it a little as a riding buddy works for DJI and it’s a big step up in terms of power compared to Bosch, brose and Shimano motors. The software and a few little extras built in seem really clever, the adaptive power mode (like Bosch e-Mtb) uses some built into the bike pitch and yaw sensors so it knows when the bike is going uphill and gives more assistance. The bike they’ve built it into seems decent (simple and well executed 4 bar but not going to get anyone overly excited) the main promise is in the motor and the software. Also helps that it’s about 1.5-2 kg lighter than an equivalent bike with a Bosch, brose or Shimano unit and battery.
Power is still impressive. With the high power you probably need a quite big battery, otherwise it'll be empty quite soon. For me its still more about the bike.
Everyone talks about the DJI's power (120Nm vs the industry standard 85Nm) but I'm really excited to see how light DJI could make a 60Nm motor...
Despite liking the design of the Pendulum pedal I'm wondering if their claim that the plattform sits 12mm below the axle can be true?The outer diameter...
Despite liking the design of the Pendulum pedal I'm wondering if their claim that the plattform sits 12mm below the axle can be true?
The outer diameter of the threads is 9/16 inch which is roughly 14.3mm - for me the distance between the axle and the plattform would be less than half of that so rather 6 or 7mm. Or did I get something wrong?
Not a major flaw but they should have their numbers right for 300$ If it wasn't that expensive I would really like to try them - they look really interesting.
It all depends on how you measure, this is how the "12mm below" could be achieved...
It all depends on how you measure, this is how the "12mm below" could be achieved...
Hi there, Cam here from Outlier MTB. First and foremost, thank you all for your positive comments and support during our recent launch!
I see that some of you have been discussing the actual pedal drop on this forum. There have been some misunderstandings that we would like to take some time to clear up. Our Pendulum pedal as it was released has 6mm of drop measured from the centre of the axle to the top of the platform. Most flat pedal platforms are somewhere between 5-7mm above the axle so our pedals are essentially ~12mm bellow your average pedal.
We did in fact test several different amounts of drop. We rode a 12mm version early on and it had more pedal strikes than we were comfortable with, and only a little bit more of that "cradle affect". I hope this helps clear things up a little! For more details visit our site, or DM us on instagram. Cheers!
ok im kinda laughing at this. I know they already made one with a vivid and that was funny enough but for some reason seeing an X2 stroked to make 125mm just tickles me. Norco went so unhinged with the Optic build and I absolutely love them for it. Short travel high pivot... Entire separate linkage to run MX... and offering stock Vivid/X2 options for 125 travel lol. Surely these product dev team meetings have gotta be a blast.
It's nice having a boss whose preferred answer is "Go for it. Give it a try and see how it works."
ok im kinda laughing at this. I know they already made one with a vivid and that was funny enough but for some reason seeing an X2 stroked to make 125mm just tickles me. Norco went so unhinged with the Optic build and I absolutely love them for it. Short travel high pivot... Entire separate linkage to run MX... and offering stock Vivid/X2 options for 125 travel lol. Surely these product dev team meetings have gotta be a blast.
It's nice having a boss whose preferred answer is "Go for it. Give it a try and see how it works."
Speaking of trying things. Trek needs to stop baiting the steel Top Fuel and do a fun limited run of them. And people need to stop going in the comments asking for a steel enduro rig or steel Roscoe or whatever lol. Give people an inch and they always take a mile. Short travel FS steel is quite unique. Would be cool to see it in the market. Can't quite remember the last time I got genuinely excited about a Trek release. 🤔
ok im kinda laughing at this. I know they already made one with a vivid and that was funny enough but for some reason seeing an X2 stroked to make 125mm just tickles me. Norco went so unhinged with the Optic build and I absolutely love them for it. Short travel high pivot... Entire separate linkage to run MX... and offering stock Vivid/X2 options for 125 travel lol. Surely these product dev team meetings have gotta be a blast.
Speaking of trying things. Trek needs to stop baiting the steel Top Fuel and do a fun limited run of them. And people need to stop...
Speaking of trying things. Trek needs to stop baiting the steel Top Fuel and do a fun limited run of them. And people need to stop going in the comments asking for a steel enduro rig or steel Roscoe or whatever lol. Give people an inch and they always take a mile. Short travel FS steel is quite unique. Would be cool to see it in the market. Can't quite remember the last time I got genuinely excited about a Trek release. 🤔
yeah but who would actually buy a like 9k$ complete trek half steel frame? Internet reception was good but it does not = sales, sadly
Despite liking the design of the Pendulum pedal I'm wondering if their claim that the plattform sits 12mm below the axle can be true?The outer diameter...
Despite liking the design of the Pendulum pedal I'm wondering if their claim that the plattform sits 12mm below the axle can be true?
The outer diameter of the threads is 9/16 inch which is roughly 14.3mm - for me the distance between the axle and the plattform would be less than half of that so rather 6 or 7mm. Or did I get something wrong?
Not a major flaw but they should have their numbers right for 300$ If it wasn't that expensive I would really like to try them - they look really interesting.
Hi there, Cam here from Outlier MTB. First and foremost, thank you all for your positive comments and support during our recent launch! I see that some...
Hi there, Cam here from Outlier MTB. First and foremost, thank you all for your positive comments and support during our recent launch!
I see that some of you have been discussing the actual pedal drop on this forum. There have been some misunderstandings that we would like to take some time to clear up. Our Pendulum pedal as it was released has 6mm of drop measured from the centre of the axle to the top of the platform. Most flat pedal platforms are somewhere between 5-7mm above the axle so our pedals are essentially ~12mm bellow your average pedal.
We did in fact test several different amounts of drop. We rode a 12mm version early on and it had more pedal strikes than we were comfortable with, and only a little bit more of that "cradle affect". I hope this helps clear things up a little! For more details visit our site, or DM us on instagram. Cheers!
Cam,
Thanks for joining the fun!
I am planning to try shorter cranks next season (hopping on the bandwagon). If I go from 170mm to 155mm and get the Pendulum pedals, would that not put my foot back within 3mm of were it was or am I totally not understanding the pedal’s foot position?
Speaking of trying things. Trek needs to stop baiting the steel Top Fuel and do a fun limited run of them. And people need to stop...
Speaking of trying things. Trek needs to stop baiting the steel Top Fuel and do a fun limited run of them. And people need to stop going in the comments asking for a steel enduro rig or steel Roscoe or whatever lol. Give people an inch and they always take a mile. Short travel FS steel is quite unique. Would be cool to see it in the market. Can't quite remember the last time I got genuinely excited about a Trek release. 🤔
yeah but who would actually buy a like 9k$ complete trek half steel frame? Internet reception was good but it does not = sales, sadly
I mean I think that's why they are still talking about it and generating interest. Because it's absolutely going to be a limited run. So do you do... 100 of them? 50? 500? What sizes?
Also they are definitely going to be upcharged but... Did they say that number? Do you mean for the whole build? I don't think they're going to make it domestically, and even if they did I don't think it's a 9k frame. At most a 9k build depending on spec. But I could see the build being as low as 7500 and the frame no more than 5k. Again, did they say 9k? For a frame?
Hi there, Cam here from Outlier MTB. First and foremost, thank you all for your positive comments and support during our recent launch! I see that some...
Hi there, Cam here from Outlier MTB. First and foremost, thank you all for your positive comments and support during our recent launch!
I see that some of you have been discussing the actual pedal drop on this forum. There have been some misunderstandings that we would like to take some time to clear up. Our Pendulum pedal as it was released has 6mm of drop measured from the centre of the axle to the top of the platform. Most flat pedal platforms are somewhere between 5-7mm above the axle so our pedals are essentially ~12mm bellow your average pedal.
We did in fact test several different amounts of drop. We rode a 12mm version early on and it had more pedal strikes than we were comfortable with, and only a little bit more of that "cradle affect". I hope this helps clear things up a little! For more details visit our site, or DM us on instagram. Cheers!
Cam,Thanks for joining the fun!I am planning to try shorter cranks next season (hopping on the bandwagon). If I go from 170mm to 155mm and get...
Cam,
Thanks for joining the fun!
I am planning to try shorter cranks next season (hopping on the bandwagon). If I go from 170mm to 155mm and get the Pendulum pedals, would that not put my foot back within 3mm of were it was or am I totally not understanding the pedal’s foot position?
If parallel to the ground, 3 mm higher at bottom dead centre, 27 mm lower at top dead centre.
Has anybody tried the DJI stuff on a bike yet? I'm curious how it compares to a ep801, cx line gen 5, specialized drive units. I've...
Has anybody tried the DJI stuff on a bike yet? I'm curious how it compares to a ep801, cx line gen 5, specialized drive units. I've liked the bosch and specialized units I've ridden.
I’ve ridden it a little as a riding buddy works for DJI and it’s a big step up in terms of power compared to Bosch, brose...
I’ve ridden it a little as a riding buddy works for DJI and it’s a big step up in terms of power compared to Bosch, brose and Shimano motors. The software and a few little extras built in seem really clever, the adaptive power mode (like Bosch e-Mtb) uses some built into the bike pitch and yaw sensors so it knows when the bike is going uphill and gives more assistance. The bike they’ve built it into seems decent (simple and well executed 4 bar but not going to get anyone overly excited) the main promise is in the motor and the software. Also helps that it’s about 1.5-2 kg lighter than an equivalent bike with a Bosch, brose or Shimano unit and battery.
Power is still impressive. With the high power you probably need a quite big battery, otherwise it'll be empty quite soon. For me its still more about the bike.
In Q1 2025 bosch is releasing an update to do 100nm on the CX5.
I’ve ridden it a little as a riding buddy works for DJI and it’s a big step up in terms of power compared to Bosch, brose...
I’ve ridden it a little as a riding buddy works for DJI and it’s a big step up in terms of power compared to Bosch, brose and Shimano motors. The software and a few little extras built in seem really clever, the adaptive power mode (like Bosch e-Mtb) uses some built into the bike pitch and yaw sensors so it knows when the bike is going uphill and gives more assistance. The bike they’ve built it into seems decent (simple and well executed 4 bar but not going to get anyone overly excited) the main promise is in the motor and the software. Also helps that it’s about 1.5-2 kg lighter than an equivalent bike with a Bosch, brose or Shimano unit and battery.
Power is still impressive. With the high power you probably need a quite big battery, otherwise it'll be empty quite soon. For me its still more about the bike.
Power is still impressive. With the high power you probably need a quite big battery, otherwise it'll be empty quite soon. For me its still more about the bike.
Having spent a bunch of time on the new Optic, it actually does make sense. It's the single best descending 125mm bike I've ever ridden, and...
Having spent a bunch of time on the new Optic, it actually does make sense. It's the single best descending 125mm bike I've ever ridden, and with the x2 you can easily stroke it to just shy of 140mm. It pops, it's agile, it jumps extremely well, it plows. On single black chattery tech I kept up with my buddy on his range without issue. It does EVERYTHING downhill and it does it extremely well (within reason, it's obviously no superenduro/dh bike). The increased oil volume over the float X makes a ton of sense for a lot of the people who are going to ride this bike to its full potential.
For what it's worth, the FS product manager has his personal Optic set up with a coil.
It just pedals about the same as my long-shocked Deviate Claymore.
Sorry for the off topic, but uuuhm, long-shocked Claymore? 😀 How does that work out? Some details?
At the severe risk of having someone quote this post in a reply with a link to a different tech-rumours banishment thread, I'll reply.
It's not as exciting as you'd think. The bike is supposed to use a 230x60 shock to deliver 165mm of travel. When I originally built it, I used a 230x57.5 shock as an emergency shock (Last year I broke an enduro frame on a Monday, drove two hours each way to pick up a Claymore frame from a shop on Wednesday, and left for a four-day Whistler closing weekend trip on a Thursday after staying up til 1 AM building the Claymore), and a 160mm fork - these were what I had in a pinch. The bike worked really well as a ~160mm FR/RR frame and I rode the season on that setup (with short cranks and presumably quite a bit less sag in real units than the full travel or more)
This spring when it came time to get proper suspension, I got a 180mm 38 and a 230x Float X on the basis that I thought air would work better on the bike for my use case. I ran the bike slightly over-stroked at 230x62.5 for most of the summer and then pulled out the final spacer to run 230x65mm for the fall. Napkin math says its approximately 180mm fr/rr. Cruising the forums, I couldn't find anybody (other than me) talking about doing this so I said screw it, why not try.
With adjustments, the platform works nice in every mode I've tried it. I am on a large frame and it's certainly outside what Deviate intended. I've absolutely bottomed the shock out in full-travel mode and there's no obvious binding or issues with the linkage and the rearward axle path keeps the wheel away from the seat tube. Will it work on other shocks and other sizes? I don't know. The Float X/X2 are nice because changing travel is a one beer job, so if it's wrong you can drink a second beer and put it back. Does it work better in ~180mm mode than how it was intended (or close to intended)? Its honestly far less dramatic of a difference than what I've felt messing around with on other platforms. I'd probably have to ride them back to back to be sure. I can say that, at least with the Float X, it retains the same level of agility it had before and is excellent at saving my ass.
But hey, don't take advice or ideas from me on what you should and shouldn't do to your frames. An upcoming project will involve not insignificant frame modifications on one of my old Instincts. I'd say don't tell Rocky but the thing has been outside of warranty for a long time.
Hi there, Cam here from Outlier MTB. First and foremost, thank you all for your positive comments and support during our recent launch! I see that some...
Hi there, Cam here from Outlier MTB. First and foremost, thank you all for your positive comments and support during our recent launch!
I see that some of you have been discussing the actual pedal drop on this forum. There have been some misunderstandings that we would like to take some time to clear up. Our Pendulum pedal as it was released has 6mm of drop measured from the centre of the axle to the top of the platform. Most flat pedal platforms are somewhere between 5-7mm above the axle so our pedals are essentially ~12mm bellow your average pedal.
We did in fact test several different amounts of drop. We rode a 12mm version early on and it had more pedal strikes than we were comfortable with, and only a little bit more of that "cradle affect". I hope this helps clear things up a little! For more details visit our site, or DM us on instagram. Cheers!
Cam,Thanks for joining the fun!I am planning to try shorter cranks next season (hopping on the bandwagon). If I go from 170mm to 155mm and get...
Cam,
Thanks for joining the fun!
I am planning to try shorter cranks next season (hopping on the bandwagon). If I go from 170mm to 155mm and get the Pendulum pedals, would that not put my foot back within 3mm of were it was or am I totally not understanding the pedal’s foot position?
Hi Rugbyred,
with a 155 crank length and pendulums, your extended position / saddle position would be 15mm higher from your cranks, and ~12mm lower from the pendulum pedals as compared to your average 12mm thick pedal for a total of a +3mm effect. When your pedals are level you'll still be 12mm lower than your standard pedal. The effects will be a net positive in my opinion, though I don't mind spinning smaller circles and having a bit more q-factor. Thanks for commenting!
At the severe risk of having someone quote this post in a reply with a link to a different tech-rumours banishment thread, I'll reply.It's not as...
At the severe risk of having someone quote this post in a reply with a link to a different tech-rumours banishment thread, I'll reply.
It's not as exciting as you'd think. The bike is supposed to use a 230x60 shock to deliver 165mm of travel. When I originally built it, I used a 230x57.5 shock as an emergency shock (Last year I broke an enduro frame on a Monday, drove two hours each way to pick up a Claymore frame from a shop on Wednesday, and left for a four-day Whistler closing weekend trip on a Thursday after staying up til 1 AM building the Claymore), and a 160mm fork - these were what I had in a pinch. The bike worked really well as a ~160mm FR/RR frame and I rode the season on that setup (with short cranks and presumably quite a bit less sag in real units than the full travel or more)
This spring when it came time to get proper suspension, I got a 180mm 38 and a 230x Float X on the basis that I thought air would work better on the bike for my use case. I ran the bike slightly over-stroked at 230x62.5 for most of the summer and then pulled out the final spacer to run 230x65mm for the fall. Napkin math says its approximately 180mm fr/rr. Cruising the forums, I couldn't find anybody (other than me) talking about doing this so I said screw it, why not try.
With adjustments, the platform works nice in every mode I've tried it. I am on a large frame and it's certainly outside what Deviate intended. I've absolutely bottomed the shock out in full-travel mode and there's no obvious binding or issues with the linkage and the rearward axle path keeps the wheel away from the seat tube. Will it work on other shocks and other sizes? I don't know. The Float X/X2 are nice because changing travel is a one beer job, so if it's wrong you can drink a second beer and put it back. Does it work better in ~180mm mode than how it was intended (or close to intended)? Its honestly far less dramatic of a difference than what I've felt messing around with on other platforms. I'd probably have to ride them back to back to be sure. I can say that, at least with the Float X, it retains the same level of agility it had before and is excellent at saving my ass.
But hey, don't take advice or ideas from me on what you should and shouldn't do to your frames. An upcoming project will involve not insignificant frame modifications on one of my old Instincts. I'd say don't tell Rocky but the thing has been outside of warranty for a long time.
It looks like the claymore's leverage curve is basically linear through the first half then has a dramatically decreasing leverage ratio at the end of stroke, which might explain why it feels the way it does overstroked. I assume it felt even more "bottomless"?
If by "why it feels the way it does overstroked" you mean roughly the same, then yeah. The nosedive is so dramatic, as you've put it, that who knows if I'm really getting through that last bit of travel unless I really stuff something up.
If by "why it feels the way it does overstroked" you mean roughly the same, then yeah. The nosedive is so dramatic, as you've put it...
If by "why it feels the way it does overstroked" you mean roughly the same, then yeah. The nosedive is so dramatic, as you've put it, that who knows if I'm really getting through that last bit of travel unless I really stuff something up.
Sounds like the perfect condition for a coil shock! 😃 Asked about the long-shocking cause It’s an interesting topic and some good info as to which frames can take it. On the topic of shocks and to steer a little on thread-ontopic, has anyone heard of something new from ND Tuned? Their website still states only the old sizes for their shock - no metric ones. And it’s a beautiful shock that deserves a second iteration - the present 1 is probably the lightest coil one weighing as much as 350g coil-less for a 216x63mm size, I think…
Talking to a inside guy at my shop about the new Shimano Groups.
Their will be Deore / SLX / XT / XTR Wireless Sets at the beginning of 2025. They are not like the Road Groups with a wire to Accu System. Cassettes will be 9-45 and 10-51. he said their will be NO new Saint Group!
The Brake we all saw and thought it must be the new saints, will be the new XTR 4-Piston Brake.
Despite liking the design of the Pendulum pedal I'm wondering if their claim that the plattform sits 12mm below the axle can be true?The outer diameter...
Despite liking the design of the Pendulum pedal I'm wondering if their claim that the plattform sits 12mm below the axle can be true?
The outer diameter of the threads is 9/16 inch which is roughly 14.3mm - for me the distance between the axle and the plattform would be less than half of that so rather 6 or 7mm. Or did I get something wrong?
Not a major flaw but they should have their numbers right for 300$ If it wasn't that expensive I would really like to try them - they look really interesting.
Hi there, Cam here from Outlier MTB. First and foremost, thank you all for your positive comments and support during our recent launch! I see that some...
Hi there, Cam here from Outlier MTB. First and foremost, thank you all for your positive comments and support during our recent launch!
I see that some of you have been discussing the actual pedal drop on this forum. There have been some misunderstandings that we would like to take some time to clear up. Our Pendulum pedal as it was released has 6mm of drop measured from the centre of the axle to the top of the platform. Most flat pedal platforms are somewhere between 5-7mm above the axle so our pedals are essentially ~12mm bellow your average pedal.
We did in fact test several different amounts of drop. We rode a 12mm version early on and it had more pedal strikes than we were comfortable with, and only a little bit more of that "cradle affect". I hope this helps clear things up a little! For more details visit our site, or DM us on instagram. Cheers!
have you tried anything halfway between the current two models? is there an amount of drop that feels pretty much like a regular pedal but has enough drop that it can be singlesided and self-righting?
What do you mean with a regular pedal? A situation where the platform is not below the axle centerline?
As long as the centre of gravity of the pedal is not in line with the axle, it will "self right". With a two sided pedal this is not needed, but could be made possible. There are other factors influencing the self righting capability though and if not achieved, a single sided pedal becomes a pain to ride with as soon as you take your foot off the pedal. It's very likely you will step in the wrong side if it doesn't self right.
https://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/trail/optic/25-optic-C2-mx/
ok im kinda laughing at this. I know they already made one with a vivid and that was funny enough but for some reason seeing an X2 stroked to make 125mm just tickles me. Norco went so unhinged with the Optic build and I absolutely love them for it. Short travel high pivot... Entire separate linkage to run MX... and offering stock Vivid/X2 options for 125 travel lol. Surely these product dev team meetings have gotta be a blast.
Remember when Dodge slapped a hellcat engine into a Pacifica
Having spent a bunch of time on the new Optic, it actually does make sense. It's the single best descending 125mm bike I've ever ridden, and with the x2 you can easily stroke it to just shy of 140mm. It pops, it's agile, it jumps extremely well, it plows. On single black chattery tech I kept up with my buddy on his range without issue. It does EVERYTHING downhill and it does it extremely well (within reason, it's obviously no superenduro/dh bike). The increased oil volume over the float X makes a ton of sense for a lot of the people who are going to ride this bike to its full potential.
For what it's worth, the FS product manager has his personal Optic set up with a coil.
It just pedals about the same as my long-shocked Deviate Claymore.
I mean it may seem comical in a way but theyre thinking ahead. They know people are going to do this anyways. Or at least are curious to do this. Why not just make it a 1 stop shop.
I’ve ridden it a little as a riding buddy works for DJI and it’s a big step up in terms of power compared to Bosch, brose and Shimano motors. The software and a few little extras built in seem really clever, the adaptive power mode (like Bosch e-Mtb) uses some built into the bike pitch and yaw sensors so it knows when the bike is going uphill and gives more assistance. The bike they’ve built it into seems decent (simple and well executed 4 bar but not going to get anyone overly excited) the main promise is in the motor and the software. Also helps that it’s about 1.5-2 kg lighter than an equivalent bike with a Bosch, brose or Shimano unit and battery.
But thats mainly due to the bike right?
Dji motor: 2,52kg + dji battery 800Wh: 3,74kg = 6,26kg
Bosch CX5: 2,8kg + 800Wh battery: 3,9kg = 6,7 kg
So the system difference is 440g right?
Power is still impressive. With the high power you probably need a quite big battery, otherwise it'll be empty quite soon. For me its still more about the bike.
Everyone talks about the DJI's power (120Nm vs the industry standard 85Nm) but I'm really excited to see how light DJI could make a 60Nm motor...
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/e-bike-talk-not-tech-rumor-derailment?page=4#comment-496981
Hi there, Cam here from Outlier MTB. First and foremost, thank you all for your positive comments and support during our recent launch!
I see that some of you have been discussing the actual pedal drop on this forum. There have been some misunderstandings that we would like to take some time to clear up. Our Pendulum pedal as it was released has 6mm of drop measured from the centre of the axle to the top of the platform. Most flat pedal platforms are somewhere between 5-7mm above the axle so our pedals are essentially ~12mm bellow your average pedal.
We did in fact test several different amounts of drop. We rode a 12mm version early on and it had more pedal strikes than we were comfortable with, and only a little bit more of that "cradle affect". I hope this helps clear things up a little! For more details visit our site, or DM us on instagram. Cheers!
It's nice having a boss whose preferred answer is "Go for it. Give it a try and see how it works."
Speaking of trying things. Trek needs to stop baiting the steel Top Fuel and do a fun limited run of them. And people need to stop going in the comments asking for a steel enduro rig or steel Roscoe or whatever lol. Give people an inch and they always take a mile. Short travel FS steel is quite unique. Would be cool to see it in the market. Can't quite remember the last time I got genuinely excited about a Trek release. 🤔
yeah but who would actually buy a like 9k$ complete trek half steel frame? Internet reception was good but it does not = sales, sadly
Cam,
Thanks for joining the fun!
I am planning to try shorter cranks next season (hopping on the bandwagon). If I go from 170mm to 155mm and get the Pendulum pedals, would that not put my foot back within 3mm of were it was or am I totally not understanding the pedal’s foot position?
I mean I think that's why they are still talking about it and generating interest. Because it's absolutely going to be a limited run. So do you do... 100 of them? 50? 500? What sizes?
Also they are definitely going to be upcharged but... Did they say that number? Do you mean for the whole build? I don't think they're going to make it domestically, and even if they did I don't think it's a 9k frame. At most a 9k build depending on spec. But I could see the build being as low as 7500 and the frame no more than 5k. Again, did they say 9k? For a frame?
If parallel to the ground, 3 mm higher at bottom dead centre, 27 mm lower at top dead centre.
In Q1 2025 bosch is releasing an update to do 100nm on the CX5.
I don't think this was confirmed by Bosch ?
Looks like it's just a rumor circulating.
90Nm and 700W probably. Not 100.
Sorry for the off topic, but uuuhm, long-shocked Claymore? 😀 How does that work out? Some details?
At the severe risk of having someone quote this post in a reply with a link to a different tech-rumours banishment thread, I'll reply.
It's not as exciting as you'd think. The bike is supposed to use a 230x60 shock to deliver 165mm of travel. When I originally built it, I used a 230x57.5 shock as an emergency shock (Last year I broke an enduro frame on a Monday, drove two hours each way to pick up a Claymore frame from a shop on Wednesday, and left for a four-day Whistler closing weekend trip on a Thursday after staying up til 1 AM building the Claymore), and a 160mm fork - these were what I had in a pinch. The bike worked really well as a ~160mm FR/RR frame and I rode the season on that setup (with short cranks and presumably quite a bit less sag in real units than the full travel or more)
This spring when it came time to get proper suspension, I got a 180mm 38 and a 230x Float X on the basis that I thought air would work better on the bike for my use case. I ran the bike slightly over-stroked at 230x62.5 for most of the summer and then pulled out the final spacer to run 230x65mm for the fall. Napkin math says its approximately 180mm fr/rr. Cruising the forums, I couldn't find anybody (other than me) talking about doing this so I said screw it, why not try.
With adjustments, the platform works nice in every mode I've tried it. I am on a large frame and it's certainly outside what Deviate intended. I've absolutely bottomed the shock out in full-travel mode and there's no obvious binding or issues with the linkage and the rearward axle path keeps the wheel away from the seat tube. Will it work on other shocks and other sizes? I don't know. The Float X/X2 are nice because changing travel is a one beer job, so if it's wrong you can drink a second beer and put it back. Does it work better in ~180mm mode than how it was intended (or close to intended)? Its honestly far less dramatic of a difference than what I've felt messing around with on other platforms. I'd probably have to ride them back to back to be sure. I can say that, at least with the Float X, it retains the same level of agility it had before and is excellent at saving my ass.
But hey, don't take advice or ideas from me on what you should and shouldn't do to your frames. An upcoming project will involve not insignificant frame modifications on one of my old Instincts. I'd say don't tell Rocky but the thing has been outside of warranty for a long time.
Hi Rugbyred,
with a 155 crank length and pendulums, your extended position / saddle position would be 15mm higher from your cranks, and ~12mm lower from the pendulum pedals as compared to your average 12mm thick pedal for a total of a +3mm effect. When your pedals are level you'll still be 12mm lower than your standard pedal. The effects will be a net positive in my opinion, though I don't mind spinning smaller circles and having a bit more q-factor. Thanks for commenting!
It looks like the claymore's leverage curve is basically linear through the first half then has a dramatically decreasing leverage ratio at the end of stroke, which might explain why it feels the way it does overstroked. I assume it felt even more "bottomless"?
If by "why it feels the way it does overstroked" you mean roughly the same, then yeah. The nosedive is so dramatic, as you've put it, that who knows if I'm really getting through that last bit of travel unless I really stuff something up.
Sounds like the perfect condition for a coil shock! 😃 Asked about the long-shocking cause It’s an interesting topic and some good info as to which frames can take it.
On the topic of shocks and to steer a little on thread-ontopic, has anyone heard of something new from ND Tuned? Their website still states only the old sizes for their shock - no metric ones. And it’s a beautiful shock that deserves a second iteration - the present 1 is probably the lightest coil one weighing as much as 350g coil-less for a 216x63mm size, I think…
Talking to a inside guy at my shop about the new Shimano Groups.
Their will be Deore / SLX / XT / XTR Wireless Sets at the beginning of 2025. They are not like the Road Groups with a wire to Accu System. Cassettes will be 9-45 and 10-51. he said their will be NO new Saint Group!
The Brake we all saw and thought it must be the new saints, will be the new XTR 4-Piston Brake.
The real question is, what about mechanical options?
have you tried anything halfway between the current two models? is there an amount of drop that feels pretty much like a regular pedal but has enough drop that it can be singlesided and self-righting?
What do you mean with a regular pedal? A situation where the platform is not below the axle centerline?
As long as the centre of gravity of the pedal is not in line with the axle, it will "self right". With a two sided pedal this is not needed, but could be made possible. There are other factors influencing the self righting capability though and if not achieved, a single sided pedal becomes a pain to ride with as soon as you take your foot off the pedal. It's very likely you will step in the wrong side if it doesn't self right.
Only Deore will have a mechanical,12 speed version. SLX will go kaput, as will Saint, and XTR/XT/Deore will be 13 speed wireless, ANT+ compatible.
XTR and XT will have Race (compact cassette, 2-pot brakes) and Enduro (wide range cassette, 4-pot brakes) versions.
Arent there enough already? :D I just hope they will keep supporting 11speed stuff!