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11/14/2024 5:23am

Sorry to bring this back to actual tech rumors but has anyone heard anything on a reverb AXS longer than 170mm being released soon? Seems past due now.

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11/14/2024 5:56am
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I think for someone looking for a 27.5 bike that actually doesnt look too bad for the price. Shimano xt, DT swiss wheels, and marzocchi suspension...

I think for someone looking for a 27.5 bike that actually doesnt look too bad for the price. Shimano xt, DT swiss wheels, and marzocchi suspension. Might not be great value compared to some of the discounts but it isnt bad

Jotegr wrote:
Sure, but:1. why not make a large then? They already have the tooling!2.  having sold a ton of "expensive" bikes to parents, I see this as...

Sure, but:

1. why not make a large then? They already have the tooling!

2.  having sold a ton of "expensive" bikes to parents, I see this as a hard sell because the majority of parents are going to be cross shopping with things on discount as well as bikes they perceive as having an easier resell when their kid outgrows it. The true full suspension kids bikes seem to retain their value better than most comparable adult bikes, but I doubt an adult sized kids bike would in the same way. At my shop this thing would be going up against a ton of discounted bikes as well as the flooded used market - honestly a rough time to launch a premium youth bike at all, to be honest. 

Nobble wrote:
I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even...

I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even though they’re in the recommended size range. If you’re already in the size range of “adult” bikes then you should start there.


In my opinion, dual 27.5 bikes for average sized riders (and larger) are pointless; and they are dying out for a good reason. Unless you’re doing X-ups and barspins you’re not going to notice the loss of “playfullness” with a mullet and you will benefit from the extra rollover.

That’s my hot take and I will die on this hill. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

As adults we had this pointless argument about front wheel size for years, and now the kids get to have it! At least the kids might actually be doing 360s and "need" it (As if they would speak that way. We could learn a lot from them...)

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TannerVal wrote:
Sorry to bring this back to actual tech rumors but has anyone heard anything on a reverb AXS longer than 170mm being released soon? Seems past...

Sorry to bring this back to actual tech rumors but has anyone heard anything on a reverb AXS longer than 170mm being released soon? Seems past due now.

There were photos a while back of a RS employee's bike with a dropper with the battery at the collar (a la Fox Neo).  Have to assume it's imminent.  

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11/14/2024 6:12am
Jotegr wrote:
Sure, but:1. why not make a large then? They already have the tooling!2.  having sold a ton of "expensive" bikes to parents, I see this as...

Sure, but:

1. why not make a large then? They already have the tooling!

2.  having sold a ton of "expensive" bikes to parents, I see this as a hard sell because the majority of parents are going to be cross shopping with things on discount as well as bikes they perceive as having an easier resell when their kid outgrows it. The true full suspension kids bikes seem to retain their value better than most comparable adult bikes, but I doubt an adult sized kids bike would in the same way. At my shop this thing would be going up against a ton of discounted bikes as well as the flooded used market - honestly a rough time to launch a premium youth bike at all, to be honest. 

Nobble wrote:
I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even...

I think the Medium is probably for a kid on the smaller end to grow into. I don’t see someone 5’9” starting on a Scout even though they’re in the recommended size range. If you’re already in the size range of “adult” bikes then you should start there.


In my opinion, dual 27.5 bikes for average sized riders (and larger) are pointless; and they are dying out for a good reason. Unless you’re doing X-ups and barspins you’re not going to notice the loss of “playfullness” with a mullet and you will benefit from the extra rollover.

That’s my hot take and I will die on this hill. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

As adults we had this pointless argument about front wheel size for years, and now the kids get to have it! At least the kids might...

As adults we had this pointless argument about front wheel size for years, and now the kids get to have it! At least the kids might actually be doing 360s and "need" it (As if they would speak that way. We could learn a lot from them...)

I actually know several adults that do the flips and 360 stuff. (not me). I've seen 95% of it done on 26 and 27.5 only. 

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11/14/2024 6:29am
bikelurker wrote:

Mini-mullet should be a thing already, what's holding freeride from coming back?

They don't need to buy new bikes to make it happen, plenty of long travel bikes from a couple years ago have slightly too high BBs and slightly too steep head angles. On a platform where STA doesn't matter, just slap a 26 inch wheel out back and good to go. 

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11/14/2024 7:12am

Are there any reviews out for the Forbidden Supernought yet? It was released end of last year, yet I haven't seen any of the major outlets do a review yet. 

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11/14/2024 8:00am Edited Date/Time 11/14/2024 8:01am

I get your point about freeride guys, thank you very much. But then (and I'm sorry if I end up derailling the thread) What is going on with the way Fox is positioning Marzochi? Now that they "downgraded" the Z1 to rail damper and finally have a pair of oem options to offer even bellow the fox rhythm lineup... The other two options they have, the more premium ones, are the 58, that its been only available in 27.5 since the begining, and the new super z, wich oposing to some opinions here, has been released in both 27.5 and 29 (I am assuming there are some substantial differences between this and a 38, as the later one tops out at 180mm and the new one goes 10mm further)

I mean, fork availability is key if you want to design that certain type of bike, I know brands keep legacy components in the market, so old bikes can still be serviced an kept running but... Thats a new, my2025 fork, so?

I cant wrap my head around this, the same about those new 26" conti enduro tyres... Of course you can get minions in that size, they have been available since forever... But wasn't 26" dead? Maybe i am just looking at it from a wrong point of view...

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11/14/2024 9:20am Edited Date/Time 11/14/2024 9:21am

I think they’re trying to do two things with the brand simultaneously.


They’re trying to position it as the cool freeride brand with things like the Bomber DJ, the 58 and Super Z.

But they’re also trying to create an offering to compete with the ultra cheap RS offerings in the OEM space (like the 35 Gold and Silver) without devaluing the Fox brand image.

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11/14/2024 9:45am
Nobble wrote:
I think they’re trying to do two things with the brand simultaneously.They’re trying to position it as the cool freeride brand with things like the Bomber...

I think they’re trying to do two things with the brand simultaneously.


They’re trying to position it as the cool freeride brand with things like the Bomber DJ, the 58 and Super Z.

But they’re also trying to create an offering to compete with the ultra cheap RS offerings in the OEM space (like the 35 Gold and Silver) without devaluing the Fox brand image.

I often pondered this, but then they go ahead and release absolute turds like the AWL series for (yuk) e-suvs. In that case, sacrificing image can't be all that important to them, all for a segment that probably doesn't notice who makes anything on their bike.

 

FOX 34 AWL | 27.5 - 120mm

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11/14/2024 9:52am
Nobble wrote:
I think they’re trying to do two things with the brand simultaneously.They’re trying to position it as the cool freeride brand with things like the Bomber...

I think they’re trying to do two things with the brand simultaneously.


They’re trying to position it as the cool freeride brand with things like the Bomber DJ, the 58 and Super Z.

But they’re also trying to create an offering to compete with the ultra cheap RS offerings in the OEM space (like the 35 Gold and Silver) without devaluing the Fox brand image.

I often pondered this, but then they go ahead and release absolute turds like the AWL series for (yuk) e-suvs. In that case, sacrificing image can't...

I often pondered this, but then they go ahead and release absolute turds like the AWL series for (yuk) e-suvs. In that case, sacrificing image can't be all that important to them, all for a segment that probably doesn't notice who makes anything on their bike.

 

FOX 34 AWL | 27.5 - 120mm

Love the phrasing but hard disagree on the last point, in the interior of BC people notice FOX because... interior BC. Marzocci simply wouldn't cut it. 

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11/14/2024 10:19am
bikelurker wrote:

Mini-mullet should be a thing already, what's holding freeride from coming back?

Government land management

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11/14/2024 10:27am Edited Date/Time 11/14/2024 10:28am
bikelurker wrote:
I get your point about freeride guys, thank you very much. But then (and I'm sorry if I end up derailling the thread) What is going...

I get your point about freeride guys, thank you very much. But then (and I'm sorry if I end up derailling the thread) What is going on with the way Fox is positioning Marzochi? Now that they "downgraded" the Z1 to rail damper and finally have a pair of oem options to offer even bellow the fox rhythm lineup... The other two options they have, the more premium ones, are the 58, that its been only available in 27.5 since the begining, and the new super z, wich oposing to some opinions here, has been released in both 27.5 and 29 (I am assuming there are some substantial differences between this and a 38, as the later one tops out at 180mm and the new one goes 10mm further)

I mean, fork availability is key if you want to design that certain type of bike, I know brands keep legacy components in the market, so old bikes can still be serviced an kept running but... Thats a new, my2025 fork, so?

I cant wrap my head around this, the same about those new 26" conti enduro tyres... Of course you can get minions in that size, they have been available since forever... But wasn't 26" dead? Maybe i am just looking at it from a wrong point of view...

I have a project brewing for next summer that's a mini mullet park bike and honestly I've been surprised at the fact I can have matching modern Conti tires and matching 27.5/26" rims at this point that can handle bike park riding. Basically, I haven't had to go down any rabbit holes to find good stuff that can handle me, a 200lb, poor line choice hack riding in a bike park and even working in shops, I'm blown away by that considering it was like pulling teeth the last 5-6 years. 

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11/14/2024 2:24pm Edited Date/Time 11/14/2024 2:25pm

Jonkranked posted about it one page ago and didn’t link people to the competitor’s website. 

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11/14/2024 2:24pm

Lauf hub mechanism,

Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!

Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire in the world"

p5pb27492784

 

p5pb27492805

 

p5pb27492785.jpg?VersionId=Fmtvjy1CZcqbGBJsxdzRjIfqbrIPP08
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11/14/2024 2:27pm

Jonkranked posted about it one page ago and didn’t link people to the competitor’s website. 

Completly missed it,

my bad @jonkranked, good find.  Thats a really interesting freehub design

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11/14/2024 3:01pm

I wasn’t trying to be a Richard in my post I can’t tell if it comes across that way. My B. 

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11/14/2024 3:09pm

I wasn’t trying to be a Richard in my post I can’t tell if it comes across that way. My B. 

All good,

As a side note, he did link to a competitors website (Bike Rumour) which is where PB prolly robbed it from.  Bike rumours page has much more info, and more detailed pics/drawings.  

So @jonkranked, appreciate you posting it, and @Whattheheel appreciate you pointing out a better source,

 

Who's Richard......wait, wait........I think i got it,      Love it

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11/14/2024 4:23pm
Onawalk wrote:
Lauf hub mechanism,Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire...

Lauf hub mechanism,

Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!

Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire in the world"

p5pb27492784

 

p5pb27492805

 

p5pb27492785.jpg?VersionId=Fmtvjy1CZcqbGBJsxdzRjIfqbrIPP08

Would that be @WheelBased?

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Onawalk wrote:
Lauf hub mechanism,Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire...

Lauf hub mechanism,

Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!

Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire in the world"

p5pb27492784

 

p5pb27492805

 

p5pb27492785.jpg?VersionId=Fmtvjy1CZcqbGBJsxdzRjIfqbrIPP08
dolface wrote:

Would that be @WheelBased?

Absolutely correct,

Thank You

Went and took a quick look, didnt see anything on their IG about it.  So maybe straight from Lauf, or Tyler at Bike Rumour.

Surprisingly, the comments on BR, and pretty negative, which is a bummer to me.  Negative comments about an actual product, that failing in the market, I can understand.  $hitty comments about an idea or innovation that appears to be in R&D phase at best, those kinda suck.  

I like cool things, and sometimes just cause their cool.  

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11/14/2024 5:01pm Edited Date/Time 11/14/2024 5:03pm
Onawalk wrote:
I'm sure most of you have seen this,but this seems really interesting to me, An "elastic" pawl system that could be both high engagement, but also provide...

I'm sure most of you have seen this,

but this seems really interesting to me, 

An "elastic" pawl system that could be both high engagement, but also provide some elasticity in the system to "quiet" chain movement, Which I think is what most people feel as "pedal kickback"

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/lauf-are-working-on-a-wild-freehub-with-s…

Sorry, you may only refer to that website as "the other website" around here. Know the rules. However, "self proclaimed biggest mtb media empire in the world" is an acceptable alternative. Good correction.

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11/14/2024 5:20pm

That Lauf freehub would go great together with these cranks.


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TannerVal wrote:
IMG 3595

LBS told me their Conti rep said the OEM ones are already out there but not to expect after-market versions in the shop until spring...

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11/14/2024 8:51pm
Onawalk wrote:
Lauf hub mechanism,Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire...

Lauf hub mechanism,

Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!

Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire in the world"

p5pb27492784

 

p5pb27492805

 

p5pb27492785.jpg?VersionId=Fmtvjy1CZcqbGBJsxdzRjIfqbrIPP08

To upset the guy from earlier, I don't see how this is a beneficial innovation. It is novel for sure, using 1 piece pawls/springs under tension to create "ramped" engagement, but I've never felt like I needed my engagement to be anything more than binary. I would expect this design to feel spongy, kind of like original Onyx sprag clutch hubs but without the benefit of having instant engagement, and I don't think this design would lead to the lower amounts of wear on the other drivetrain components and frame like was mentioned in the other articles. Still, hope they're able to make a functioning prototype if one doesn't exist already and I would try it out if I had the opportunity. 

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11/14/2024 9:39pm
TannerVal wrote:
IMG 3595
dolface wrote:

LBS told me their Conti rep said the OEM ones are already out there but not to expect after-market versions in the shop until spring...

There have been reports of people ordering these OEM tires directly from YT. Hoping there is a less convoluted way to getting them by next season. I really don't need a DH casing tire up front.

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11/14/2024 11:50pm
TannerVal wrote:
IMG 3595
dolface wrote:

LBS told me their Conti rep said the OEM ones are already out there but not to expect after-market versions in the shop until spring...

sprungmass wrote:
There have been reports of people ordering these OEM tires directly from YT. Hoping there is a less convoluted way to getting them by next season...

There have been reports of people ordering these OEM tires directly from YT. Hoping there is a less convoluted way to getting them by next season. I really don't need a DH casing tire up front.

But they're sooooo nice to have where we ride 😂

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11/15/2024 12:44am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2024 12:45am
ballz wrote:
That Lauf freehub would go great together with these cranks.

That Lauf freehub would go great together with these cranks.


Or this one 

 

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11/15/2024 1:41am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2024 1:42am

Front freewheels are great aside from all the drag, and your entire drivetrain and rear wheel exploding as soon as your chain comes off or anything gets caught in your derailleur at speed.

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