If you choose the correct supplier it will be OK. Either at home or in China. I was talking about when it goes wrong.
Plus when doing large batches there is the problem of supply times from the east so you have to have enough stock to cover a bad shipment. Doing things closer to home these time cycles get shorter.
FWIW, a lot of the European automotive industry companies are by the looks of things turning away from China...
Indeed. Was just trying to say that overall, we often found it easier dealing with overseas rather than local because we were more likely to get what we wanted on a shorter timeframe [on air freight] even with language and cultural differences. I found it unintuitive at first.
I get the feeling that most companies exiting China are doing it for political reasons. Esp car companies with China wanting as big of a slice of the EV pie as they can get after missing out on a lot of the IC car industry. I don't really know what I'm talking about there though.
Indeed. Was just trying to say that overall, we often found it easier dealing with overseas rather than local because we were more likely to get...
Indeed. Was just trying to say that overall, we often found it easier dealing with overseas rather than local because we were more likely to get what we wanted on a shorter timeframe [on air freight] even with language and cultural differences. I found it unintuitive at first.
I get the feeling that most companies exiting China are doing it for political reasons. Esp car companies with China wanting as big of a slice of the EV pie as they can get after missing out on a lot of the IC car industry. I don't really know what I'm talking about there though.
China are smashing the EV industry right now.
They’ve almost got standard batteries that you can swap out in minutes instead of charging them. You just pay a lease on the battery and don’t have to bear the huge expense of replacing them after a few years. Pull in to a battery station, swap them out and off you go. Then the station charges them and they go to the next customer. Sadly it’ll never take off in the rest of the world because our manufacturers are too proud to standardise a part like that. Regardless of the benefits.
I own a set of Trickstuff and Lewis LHT’s. The TS brakes have a higher end finish and a smoother lever feel with a bit more...
I own a set of Trickstuff and Lewis LHT’s. The TS brakes have a higher end finish and a smoother lever feel with a bit more power, but the Lewis are very nice and I think they are pretty sweet. I prefer the Lewis brakes over the Formula Cura’s I ran previously. Hate to say it, but the Lewis brakes are legit.
Paul Aston is asking for Lewis owners to contact him about any wandering bite issues they have.
You must either have a vivid mind or a great inability to read and comprehend, I haven’t said “Lewis is shit”I said, at a similar price...
You must either have a vivid mind or a great inability to read and comprehend, I haven’t said “Lewis is shit”
I said, at a similar price point, why would one get some knockoff brakes ( despite the good quality and “improvements” these are effectively Trickstuff knockoffs ) when you can get a real brake, no copy, properly made, like Hope.
In this example we have a British company operating for years, with knowledge and cheap and mostly easy to find spare parts, Vs a newer company with a sketchy background and business strategy, you do you.
I had the chance to, like you, get a feel of Lewis and Trickstuff back to back and the difference was quite there, different tolerances do make a different, I still believe that a Hope brake is worth the money better than a Lewis despite the latter still being a good product overall
Banging on something being a knock off and otherwise comparing it to a "real" brake is veery close to saying "Lewis is shit". So no creative reading from my side.
If I didn't have Intend, I would have got a set of Lewis in a heartbeat.
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They use a big ol 6902 bearing for spinny duties. The pendulum (drop pedal) is super interesting.
Void pedals (traditional flat)
Pendulum pedals (12mm drop) "Our platform sits 12mm below the center of the axle. Most pedals place the platform 5mm or more above the center of the axle. This effectively lowers the rider's center of mass 17mm or more offering a significant stability, and control. During sudden decelerations, the pedal acts as a pendulum and swings forward cradling the rider's foot in a heals-down position. In the event that you take your foot off a pedal, our pedals are self-righting"
I'll probably get downvoted to oblivion, but Lewis products are catered towards the crowd who only buys stuff on AliExpress with a guilty gut. They're nothing...
I'll probably get downvoted to oblivion, but Lewis products are catered towards the crowd who only buys stuff on AliExpress with a guilty gut. They're nothing but rebranded white label products. You know, people who says Chinese=cheap/poor quality. This gives them the opportunity to justify their purchase because of the higher price point.
I bet their next offering will be a knockoff Ingrid rear derailleur, as those are already available on Ali, just like the 5Dev Chinesium cranks
They were used by a World Cup team, which makes them much different in terms of consumer perception than the AliExpress clones from ZTTO, etc. Not arguing for or against Lewis’ product development practices. Sure they have the same air of being Chineseium clones but the fact they’ve been used at the highest level is the only reason why some of us are considering actually trying them out.
Not that I have to tell the crowed on this form anything, but once again I get irked with people who try to pass off cheeper...
Not that I have to tell the crowed on this form anything, but once again I get irked with people who try to pass off cheeper "knock offs" as just as good as the real thing because "they are all made in the same factory." I mean, they probably are, but by paying for the actual product instead of the knock off you're also paying for the engineering (and marketing) that goes into the product, and at least the engineering portion of it is worth paying for. Granted, if you genuinely can't afford it and its your only option then... sure. Go for it, biking is expensive and I rather see folks on bikes than off of them. But if you're just being a cheapskate then you should really think about where your dollar goes and who it goes to.
I remember I had a couple friends who went out and bought cheeper carbon rims because of the "same factory" argument and they were just the stiffest piles of poor ride quality, and the little bit of time I spent on them trying them out made me appreciate compliance in a wheel set more so than I ever have done before. To this day they complain about harshness every time I ride with them.
NOW BACK TO RUMORS!
A little birdie told me Forbidden has a few new bikes coming out to fill out their line up. Taking their "one ride" geo philosophy to some other categories.
I, for one, welcome our new long chain stay overlords.
But at this point what categories are they missing other than (O)XC? I'd argue the Druid covers a wide enough breadth that it covers the trail/Am...
But at this point what categories are they missing other than (O)XC? I'd argue the Druid covers a wide enough breadth that it covers the trail/Am category nicely. Are they ready to pivot away from FS and get some hardtails out there? Other than the long CS doesn't really seem like their thing.
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They...
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They use a big ol 6902 bearing for spinny duties. The pendulum (drop pedal) is super interesting.
Void pedals (traditional flat)
Pendulum pedals (12mm drop) "Our platform sits 12mm below the center of the axle. Most pedals place the platform 5mm or more above the center of the axle. This effectively lowers the rider's center of mass 17mm or more offering a significant stability, and control. During sudden decelerations, the pedal acts as a pendulum and swings forward cradling the rider's foot in a heals-down position. In the event that you take your foot off a pedal, our pedals are self-righting"
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They...
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They use a big ol 6902 bearing for spinny duties. The pendulum (drop pedal) is super interesting.
Void pedals (traditional flat)
Pendulum pedals (12mm drop) "Our platform sits 12mm below the center of the axle. Most pedals place the platform 5mm or more above the center of the axle. This effectively lowers the rider's center of mass 17mm or more offering a significant stability, and control. During sudden decelerations, the pedal acts as a pendulum and swings forward cradling the rider's foot in a heals-down position. In the event that you take your foot off a pedal, our pedals are self-righting"
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They...
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They use a big ol 6902 bearing for spinny duties. The pendulum (drop pedal) is super interesting.
Void pedals (traditional flat)
Pendulum pedals (12mm drop) "Our platform sits 12mm below the center of the axle. Most pedals place the platform 5mm or more above the center of the axle. This effectively lowers the rider's center of mass 17mm or more offering a significant stability, and control. During sudden decelerations, the pedal acts as a pendulum and swings forward cradling the rider's foot in a heals-down position. In the event that you take your foot off a pedal, our pedals are self-righting"
That thing actually rode great and while they were out demoing them at the local shuttle spot regularly to try and gain traction, even though it had lots, like all linkage bikes, nope. Just too extreme when people have an idea of what they like.
Everyone is also big on those pedals if they have them. They're weighed low so they self level and have a ton of grip.
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They...
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They use a big ol 6902 bearing for spinny duties. The pendulum (drop pedal) is super interesting.
Void pedals (traditional flat)
Pendulum pedals (12mm drop) "Our platform sits 12mm below the center of the axle. Most pedals place the platform 5mm or more above the center of the axle. This effectively lowers the rider's center of mass 17mm or more offering a significant stability, and control. During sudden decelerations, the pedal acts as a pendulum and swings forward cradling the rider's foot in a heals-down position. In the event that you take your foot off a pedal, our pedals are self-righting"
That thing actually rode great and while they were out demoing them at the local shuttle spot regularly to try and gain traction, even though it...
That thing actually rode great and while they were out demoing them at the local shuttle spot regularly to try and gain traction, even though it had lots, like all linkage bikes, nope. Just too extreme when people have an idea of what they like.
Everyone is also big on those pedals if they have them. They're weighed low so they self level and have a ton of grip.
A friend has one and loves it, said he’ll struggle to go back to a regular bike. Was trying to say interesting stuff comes out of Calgary
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They...
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They use a big ol 6902 bearing for spinny duties. The pendulum (drop pedal) is super interesting.
Void pedals (traditional flat)
Pendulum pedals (12mm drop) "Our platform sits 12mm below the center of the axle. Most pedals place the platform 5mm or more above the center of the axle. This effectively lowers the rider's center of mass 17mm or more offering a significant stability, and control. During sudden decelerations, the pedal acts as a pendulum and swings forward cradling the rider's foot in a heals-down position. In the event that you take your foot off a pedal, our pedals are self-righting"
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They...
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They use a big ol 6902 bearing for spinny duties. The pendulum (drop pedal) is super interesting.
Void pedals (traditional flat)
Pendulum pedals (12mm drop) "Our platform sits 12mm below the center of the axle. Most pedals place the platform 5mm or more above the center of the axle. This effectively lowers the rider's center of mass 17mm or more offering a significant stability, and control. During sudden decelerations, the pedal acts as a pendulum and swings forward cradling the rider's foot in a heals-down position. In the event that you take your foot off a pedal, our pedals are self-righting"
But at this point what categories are they missing other than (O)XC? I'd argue the Druid covers a wide enough breadth that it covers the trail/Am...
But at this point what categories are they missing other than (O)XC? I'd argue the Druid covers a wide enough breadth that it covers the trail/Am category nicely. Are they ready to pivot away from FS and get some hardtails out there? Other than the long CS doesn't really seem like their thing.
The Pendulum pedals join the MRP Noken as another recent product release fulfilling my MTB fever dreams. Stuff I wished for but didn't think would ever actually exist.
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They...
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They use a big ol 6902 bearing for spinny duties. The pendulum (drop pedal) is super interesting.
Void pedals (traditional flat)
Pendulum pedals (12mm drop) "Our platform sits 12mm below the center of the axle. Most pedals place the platform 5mm or more above the center of the axle. This effectively lowers the rider's center of mass 17mm or more offering a significant stability, and control. During sudden decelerations, the pedal acts as a pendulum and swings forward cradling the rider's foot in a heals-down position. In the event that you take your foot off a pedal, our pedals are self-righting"
The ultra-thin, axle-less thing has been tried a few times over the years. Tioga and flypaper are the ones I can remember. I always assumed they never caught on because they’d just bend?
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They...
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They use a big ol 6902 bearing for spinny duties. The pendulum (drop pedal) is super interesting.
Void pedals (traditional flat)
Pendulum pedals (12mm drop) "Our platform sits 12mm below the center of the axle. Most pedals place the platform 5mm or more above the center of the axle. This effectively lowers the rider's center of mass 17mm or more offering a significant stability, and control. During sudden decelerations, the pedal acts as a pendulum and swings forward cradling the rider's foot in a heals-down position. In the event that you take your foot off a pedal, our pedals are self-righting"
The ultra-thin, axle-less thing has been tried a few times over the years. Tioga and flypaper are the ones I can remember. I always assumed they...
The ultra-thin, axle-less thing has been tried a few times over the years. Tioga and flypaper are the ones I can remember. I always assumed they never caught on because they’d just bend?
My armchair engineer senses are definitely tingling but nobody's interested in that. Not being a flat pedal aficionado, I'm quite a lot more interested in the enthusiasm shown here for the idea of an "infinitely concave" pedal.
The Pendulum pedals join the MRP Noken as another recent product release fulfilling my MTB fever dreams. Stuff I wished for but didn't think would ever...
The Pendulum pedals join the MRP Noken as another recent product release fulfilling my MTB fever dreams. Stuff I wished for but didn't think would ever actually exist.
Same lol. I've always wished for a flat pedal with angled pins so that when your heels are dropped, the pins are perpendicular to the ground. Don't know if that even contributes to better grip but I really wish somebody would test that theory.
The benefit of having things made locally is that you can go berate the supplier who (invariably) screwed up in the span of a day and...
The benefit of having things made locally is that you can go berate the supplier who (invariably) screwed up in the span of a day and deal with it in your own language without translators screwing you over.
I know this is framed as a joke but I know so many people who got same day local service with We Are One on rim warranties and wheel rebuilds.
The Pendulum pedals join the MRP Noken as another recent product release fulfilling my MTB fever dreams. Stuff I wished for but didn't think would ever...
The Pendulum pedals join the MRP Noken as another recent product release fulfilling my MTB fever dreams. Stuff I wished for but didn't think would ever actually exist.
Same lol. I've always wished for a flat pedal with angled pins so that when your heels are dropped, the pins are perpendicular to the ground...
Same lol. I've always wished for a flat pedal with angled pins so that when your heels are dropped, the pins are perpendicular to the ground. Don't know if that even contributes to better grip but I really wish somebody would test that theory.
I feel like I have seen angled pin pedals before, but I cannot seem to find them anywhere
The Pendulum pedals join the MRP Noken as another recent product release fulfilling my MTB fever dreams. Stuff I wished for but didn't think would ever...
The Pendulum pedals join the MRP Noken as another recent product release fulfilling my MTB fever dreams. Stuff I wished for but didn't think would ever actually exist.
Same lol. I've always wished for a flat pedal with angled pins so that when your heels are dropped, the pins are perpendicular to the ground...
Same lol. I've always wished for a flat pedal with angled pins so that when your heels are dropped, the pins are perpendicular to the ground. Don't know if that even contributes to better grip but I really wish somebody would test that theory.
I feel like I have seen angled pin pedals before, but I cannot seem to find them anywhere
Race Face.
I really hope that little 6902 bearing holds up to the abuse and that there isn't only one of them in each pedal... (edit: website says two)
@Jotegr not a joke, a genuine comment as you can't do much against an overseas supplier really and in the best of cases it will take weeks for an issue to be solved compared to what you just outlined. Your case is exactly what I was talking about.
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They...
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They use a big ol 6902 bearing for spinny duties. The pendulum (drop pedal) is super interesting.
Void pedals (traditional flat)
Pendulum pedals (12mm drop) "Our platform sits 12mm below the center of the axle. Most pedals place the platform 5mm or more above the center of the axle. This effectively lowers the rider's center of mass 17mm or more offering a significant stability, and control. During sudden decelerations, the pedal acts as a pendulum and swings forward cradling the rider's foot in a heals-down position. In the event that you take your foot off a pedal, our pedals are self-righting"
The ultra-thin, axle-less thing has been tried a few times over the years. Tioga and flypaper are the ones I can remember. I always assumed they...
The ultra-thin, axle-less thing has been tried a few times over the years. Tioga and flypaper are the ones I can remember. I always assumed they never caught on because they’d just bend?
The Tioga ones were hype when they came out, at least 16 year old me though they were haha. I get the idea with these, get the center of gravity lower while still having good clearance, not a bad idea, but it's a marginal gain at best with some big drawbacks. My big issue with these is that they are 1 sided. 1 sided pedals only work well for road bikes where you have no reason to take your foot off and put it on again in a short amount of time. Then there's the load on the bearing and it's durability.
Lower weight is not really the main benefit. Being onesided also isn't an issue and stepping into the wrong side rarely happens. Plus you really notice it if the pedal is upside down as you're much higher. You can't really do a two sided drop pedal though so it's more or less the name of the game.
The best thing about those pedals for me would be how they should eliminate the need to replace bent and snapped pins after almost every ride (I suck and lots of rocks around here). I can't buy canadian made though because there is always a risk some of my money will end up supporting canadian hockey.
Lol @ the hockey comment.I also like the idea of not bending/breaking pins. The pedal looks like it would slide over anything it touches which is cool.
I'm slightly dubious about how the bearings and everything around them will fare long-term but I'd happily give them a punt.
If you choose the correct supplier it will be OK. Either at home or in China. I was talking about when it goes wrong.
Plus when doing large batches there is the problem of supply times from the east so you have to have enough stock to cover a bad shipment. Doing things closer to home these time cycles get shorter.
FWIW, a lot of the European automotive industry companies are by the looks of things turning away from China...
Indeed. Was just trying to say that overall, we often found it easier dealing with overseas rather than local because we were more likely to get what we wanted on a shorter timeframe [on air freight] even with language and cultural differences. I found it unintuitive at first.
I get the feeling that most companies exiting China are doing it for political reasons. Esp car companies with China wanting as big of a slice of the EV pie as they can get after missing out on a lot of the IC car industry. I don't really know what I'm talking about there though.
China are smashing the EV industry right now.
They’ve almost got standard batteries that you can swap out in minutes instead of charging them. You just pay a lease on the battery and don’t have to bear the huge expense of replacing them after a few years. Pull in to a battery station, swap them out and off you go. Then the station charges them and they go to the next customer.
Sadly it’ll never take off in the rest of the world because our manufacturers are too proud to standardise a part like that. Regardless of the benefits.
Paul Aston is asking for Lewis owners to contact him about any wandering bite issues they have.
I'm waiting for some actual tech rumors. Maybe a specific chat on product copying/sourcing/geo-cultural-politics
Banging on something being a knock off and otherwise comparing it to a "real" brake is veery close to saying "Lewis is shit". So no creative reading from my side.
If I didn't have Intend, I would have got a set of Lewis in a heartbeat.
Some our local rippers / engineers came up with a very unique "axle-less" pedal. Machined here in Calgary, Alberta and testing in the rocky mountains. They use a big ol 6902 bearing for spinny duties. The pendulum (drop pedal) is super interesting.
Void pedals (traditional flat)
Pendulum pedals (12mm drop) "Our platform sits 12mm below the center of the axle. Most pedals place the platform 5mm or more above the center of the axle. This effectively lowers the rider's center of mass 17mm or more offering a significant stability, and control. During sudden decelerations, the pedal acts as a pendulum and swings forward cradling the rider's foot in a heals-down position. In the event that you take your foot off a pedal, our pedals are self-righting"
Website: https://www.outliermtb.com/
Review: https://meatengines.com/f/outlier-pedals---the-void-the-pendulum---a-review-of-sorts
They were used by a World Cup team, which makes them much different in terms of consumer perception than the AliExpress clones from ZTTO, etc. Not arguing for or against Lewis’ product development practices. Sure they have the same air of being Chineseium clones but the fact they’ve been used at the highest level is the only reason why some of us are considering actually trying them out.
You shut your dirty mouth!
These are wild looking!
Just when you think that you've seen all youre ever gonna see with pedals, someone pulls this out of the bag. Hard to fill these with mud
Coming from the same town that gave us this
That thing actually rode great and while they were out demoing them at the local shuttle spot regularly to try and gain traction, even though it had lots, like all linkage bikes, nope. Just too extreme when people have an idea of what they like.
Everyone is also big on those pedals if they have them. They're weighed low so they self level and have a ton of grip.
I gotta say, thats actually super cool.
A friend has one and loves it, said he’ll struggle to go back to a regular bike. Was trying to say interesting stuff comes out of Calgary
Any idea when their shop goes live? Asking for a friend. It looks like they are almost there, but you can't complete a check out just yet.
First thing I thought of was Stirrups, especially coming from Cowtown.
They look quite cool. Wonder how they would hold up for the heavyweights?
The rumors are true.
The Pendulum pedals join the MRP Noken as another recent product release fulfilling my MTB fever dreams. Stuff I wished for but didn't think would ever actually exist.
Lewis seem to have at least two bite points…maybe they’ll rip off these horrific tongue scraper pedals for a third.
The ultra-thin, axle-less thing has been tried a few times over the years. Tioga and flypaper are the ones I can remember. I always assumed they never caught on because they’d just bend?
My armchair engineer senses are definitely tingling but nobody's interested in that. Not being a flat pedal aficionado, I'm quite a lot more interested in the enthusiasm shown here for the idea of an "infinitely concave" pedal.
Same lol. I've always wished for a flat pedal with angled pins so that when your heels are dropped, the pins are perpendicular to the ground. Don't know if that even contributes to better grip but I really wish somebody would test that theory.
Sounds like they had a small hitch but it should be up and running again.
I know this is framed as a joke but I know so many people who got same day local service with We Are One on rim warranties and wheel rebuilds.
I feel like I have seen angled pin pedals before, but I cannot seem to find them anywhere
Race Face.
I really hope that little 6902 bearing holds up to the abuse and that there isn't only one of them in each pedal... (edit: website says two)
@Jotegr not a joke, a genuine comment as you can't do much against an overseas supplier really and in the best of cases it will take weeks for an issue to be solved compared to what you just outlined. Your case is exactly what I was talking about.
The Tioga ones were hype when they came out, at least 16 year old me though they were haha. I get the idea with these, get the center of gravity lower while still having good clearance, not a bad idea, but it's a marginal gain at best with some big drawbacks. My big issue with these is that they are 1 sided. 1 sided pedals only work well for road bikes where you have no reason to take your foot off and put it on again in a short amount of time. Then there's the load on the bearing and it's durability.
Lower weight is not really the main benefit. Being onesided also isn't an issue and stepping into the wrong side rarely happens. Plus you really notice it if the pedal is upside down as you're much higher. You can't really do a two sided drop pedal though so it's more or less the name of the game.
The best thing about those pedals for me would be how they should eliminate the need to replace bent and snapped pins after almost every ride (I suck and lots of rocks around here). I can't buy canadian made though because there is always a risk some of my money will end up supporting canadian hockey.
Lol @ the hockey comment.I also like the idea of not bending/breaking pins. The pedal looks like it would slide over anything it touches which is cool.
I'm slightly dubious about how the bearings and everything around them will fare long-term but I'd happily give them a punt.