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Jotegr
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9/26/2024 11:35am
jsray wrote:

sight SL maybe? current sight and range e-bikes are pretty heavy

Rick26 wrote:
No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released...

No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released a Sight/Range VLT...maybe they're moving away from 60lbs carbon eMTBs ?

Another angle of the new SC, I believe you can see a pivot, but still not fully clear.

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jsray wrote:

edit** Seems odd they would have 2 versions of HP full power ebikes

Sight is going to be a dedicated platform rather than shared with the range. I'd have to think the current sight is going to get cut. 

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9/26/2024 11:43am
mtbthe603 wrote:
I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still...

I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still nice to have with you such as a small pump or CO2, chain breaker, quick link, bacon strips, extra battery, emergency snack, tube, tire lever, etc. I prefer to run edc lite or similar steerer tool or use one of those water bottle cages with the multitool attachment thing.

Back to rumors... seems like you frame storage fans will really love what's coming soon from transition

If you're using a multitool on every ride you need to improve your maintenance routine.

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AgrAde
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9/26/2024 12:34pm

I think I use my multi tool once or twice a season... What are you using it for on every ride? I'm genuinely curious.

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9/26/2024 12:36pm Edited Date/Time 9/26/2024 12:39pm
Rick26 wrote:
No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released...

No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released a Sight/Range VLT...maybe they're moving away from 60lbs carbon eMTBs ?

Another angle of the new SC, I believe you can see a pivot, but still not fully clear.

VPP.png?VersionId=DN5ZBco86Ew8iXc2MmU
jsray wrote:

edit** Seems odd they would have 2 versions of HP full power ebikes

Jotegr wrote:

Sight is going to be a dedicated platform rather than shared with the range. I'd have to think the current sight is going to get cut. 

Its going to be the Sight with the Bosch CX motor. 

The current Sight/Range ebikes were made in very small quantities because of the weight issues, should be out of stock soon. 

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9/26/2024 12:42pm
mtbthe603 wrote:
I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still...

I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still nice to have with you such as a small pump or CO2, chain breaker, quick link, bacon strips, extra battery, emergency snack, tube, tire lever, etc. I prefer to run edc lite or similar steerer tool or use one of those water bottle cages with the multitool attachment thing.

Back to rumors... seems like you frame storage fans will really love what's coming soon from transition

This feels like subtle hint Transition is making a sidecar.

Blink twice if that's true.

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gbcoke
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9/26/2024 12:44pm

That will be weird as making a mold for a bike that will be in market for less than a year is very much unheard of (though those bikes are hideous imho).

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mtbthe603
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9/26/2024 1:03pm
mtbthe603 wrote:
I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still...

I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still nice to have with you such as a small pump or CO2, chain breaker, quick link, bacon strips, extra battery, emergency snack, tube, tire lever, etc. I prefer to run edc lite or similar steerer tool or use one of those water bottle cages with the multitool attachment thing.

Back to rumors... seems like you frame storage fans will really love what's coming soon from transition

If you're using a multitool on every ride you need to improve your maintenance routine.

No argument on needing to improve my maintenance routine...a lot of the on trail adjustments I make should totally be things done at home

But it's still pretty often...probably most often is me tossing my multi tool to a buddy that needs it...then things link adjusting things after a crash, checking some bolts, adjusting seat height, adjusting b tension, tightening a spoke, etc

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Uncle Cliffy
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9/26/2024 1:21pm Edited Date/Time 9/26/2024 1:21pm
gbcoke wrote:
That will be weird as making a mold for a bike that will be in market for less than a year is very much unheard of...

That will be weird as making a mold for a bike that will be in market for less than a year is very much unheard of (though those bikes are hideous imho).

If I had to guess, this would be the new Bosch system giving them a hiccup. Information probably wasn’t made available to them by the time they had the 2024 bikes in production. 

New system uses a completely different battery. 800 MAH for this new Sight, and this bike is supposed to be significantly lighter. Almost 10 pounds lighter than the current model! (Claimed)

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AndehM
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9/26/2024 1:32pm
gbcoke wrote:
That will be weird as making a mold for a bike that will be in market for less than a year is very much unheard of...

That will be weird as making a mold for a bike that will be in market for less than a year is very much unheard of (though those bikes are hideous imho).

If I had to guess, this would be the new Bosch system giving them a hiccup. Information probably wasn’t made available to them by the time...

If I had to guess, this would be the new Bosch system giving them a hiccup. Information probably wasn’t made available to them by the time they had the 2024 bikes in production. 

New system uses a completely different battery. 800 MAH for this new Sight, and this bike is supposed to be significantly lighter. Almost 10 pounds lighter than the current model! (Claimed)

Were the old Bosch motors + batteries super, super heavy, or was it just Norco's bike design?  I've heard that the new SC with same gen5 will be 22-23kg, and that's with a 600wh battery.  That's 48.5-50 lbs, so the same weight range as the current Heckler EP801 with 720wh battery.  So it doesn't seem like the new one is particularly light.  Maybe the new form factor is problematic too (would explain SC going to 4bar)? 

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Uncle Cliffy
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9/26/2024 1:37pm
AndehM wrote:
Were the old Bosch motors + batteries super, super heavy, or was it just Norco's bike design?  I've heard that the new SC with same gen5...

Were the old Bosch motors + batteries super, super heavy, or was it just Norco's bike design?  I've heard that the new SC with same gen5 will be 22-23kg, and that's with a 600wh battery.  That's 48.5-50 lbs, so the same weight range as the current Heckler EP801 with 720wh battery.  So it doesn't seem like the new one is particularly light.  Maybe the new form factor is problematic too (would explain SC going to 4bar)? 

It’s my understanding that this battery being so large and significantly lighter, allows them to integrate the frame design a little better. The current Norco’s are designed where the battery slips out right under the motor. 

These new ones you have to remove the motor to get to the battery. At 800 MAH, the reasoning is most people won’t want to swap batteries mid ride with that much range.

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9/26/2024 2:29pm
mtbthe603 wrote:
I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still...

I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still nice to have with you such as a small pump or CO2, chain breaker, quick link, bacon strips, extra battery, emergency snack, tube, tire lever, etc. I prefer to run edc lite or similar steerer tool or use one of those water bottle cages with the multitool attachment thing.

Back to rumors... seems like you frame storage fans will really love what's coming soon from transition

This feels like subtle hint Transition is making a sidecar.

Blink twice if that's true.

New Sentinel

9/26/2024 3:04pm
mtbthe603 wrote:
I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still...

I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still nice to have with you such as a small pump or CO2, chain breaker, quick link, bacon strips, extra battery, emergency snack, tube, tire lever, etc. I prefer to run edc lite or similar steerer tool or use one of those water bottle cages with the multitool attachment thing.

Back to rumors... seems like you frame storage fans will really love what's coming soon from transition

This feels like subtle hint Transition is making a sidecar.

Blink twice if that's true.

New Sentinel

Assuming not much is changing besides frame storage on carbon models?

Nobble
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9/26/2024 3:41pm
mtbthe603 wrote:
I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still...

I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still nice to have with you such as a small pump or CO2, chain breaker, quick link, bacon strips, extra battery, emergency snack, tube, tire lever, etc. I prefer to run edc lite or similar steerer tool or use one of those water bottle cages with the multitool attachment thing.

Back to rumors... seems like you frame storage fans will really love what's coming soon from transition

This feels like subtle hint Transition is making a sidecar.

Blink twice if that's true.

New Sentinel

But when?


The last rumor I read said 9/25, but that was yesterday and was clearly wrong.


I think it’s the last bike I’m waiting for before I decide what I’m gonna get.

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9/26/2024 5:25pm
cmaac wrote:
Can we see a pivot near the axle on this SC e bike?

Can we see a pivot near the axle on this SC e bike?

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9/26/2024 5:29pm

its more the fact there isn't a member to connect the chainstay and seatstay at or near the seat tube, meaning the rear isn't a triangle that gives it away

9/26/2024 6:09pm
mtbthe603 wrote:
I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still...

I think frame storage is too annoying to use for multitool storage. It's great for those items you don't need on every ride but are still nice to have with you such as a small pump or CO2, chain breaker, quick link, bacon strips, extra battery, emergency snack, tube, tire lever, etc. I prefer to run edc lite or similar steerer tool or use one of those water bottle cages with the multitool attachment thing.

Back to rumors... seems like you frame storage fans will really love what's coming soon from transition

You should post what you know about the bike then 

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kperras
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9/26/2024 7:04pm
Rick26 wrote:
No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released...

No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released a Sight/Range VLT...maybe they're moving away from 60lbs carbon eMTBs ?

Another angle of the new SC, I believe you can see a pivot, but still not fully clear.

VPP.png?VersionId=DN5ZBco86Ew8iXc2MmU

Dropout pivot above the rear axle, like Rocky's Smoothlink designs from 10 years ago (the years/age doesn't infer a dated design...). I wonder if we still hold the patent for this feature. p4pb2828736.jpg?VersionId=7BLOUOuYRhYpny4nAdue3g8

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earleb
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9/26/2024 7:07pm
Rick26 wrote:
No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released...

No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released a Sight/Range VLT...maybe they're moving away from 60lbs carbon eMTBs ?

Another angle of the new SC, I believe you can see a pivot, but still not fully clear.

VPP.png?VersionId=DN5ZBco86Ew8iXc2MmU
kperras wrote:
Dropout pivot above the rear axle, like Rocky's Smoothlink designs from 10 years ago (the years/age doesn't infer a dated design...). I wonder if we still...

Dropout pivot above the rear axle, like Rocky's Smoothlink designs from 10 years ago (the years/age doesn't infer a dated design...). I wonder if we still hold the patent for this feature. p4pb2828736.jpg?VersionId=7BLOUOuYRhYpny4nAdue3g8

You guys kicked off the steep seat tube angles with that bike. Remember putting a 36 on one of those?

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metadave
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9/26/2024 11:02pm

The real reason for in frame storage....

 

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UfuS78
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9/27/2024 12:43am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2024 12:46am

I'll just leave it here. 

 

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gibbon
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9/27/2024 1:44am

Everyone -"SC are just so boring and generic these days"
Santa Cruz-"Hold my protein meal replacement shake"

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boozed
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9/27/2024 2:12am
gibbon wrote:

Everyone -"SC are just so boring and generic these days"
Santa Cruz-"Hold my protein meal replacement shake"

"We know our e-bike customers don't care or even know what VPP is so here's a bike that says SANTA CRUZ on it."

(Am I too cynical?)

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9/27/2024 4:33am

Is this suspension platform going to be exclusive to the e-bikes… or will the new Megatower have a similar layout? 

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Finkill
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9/27/2024 5:06am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2024 5:07am
sharpy212 wrote:

Is this suspension platform going to be exclusive to the e-bikes… or will the new Megatower have a similar layout? 

I feel like a big driving force behind a lot of the branded suspension designs was the FSR/Horst Link patent closing off the use of the best layout to other brands; now that protection has gone a lot of brands have adopted that layout. It would not surprise me if more brands move towards the classic 4-bar layout as it's a versatile solution. Not sure if Santa Cruz will be rolling this out over the whole range just yet. 

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9/27/2024 5:39am
gibbon wrote:

Everyone -"SC are just so boring and generic these days"
Santa Cruz-"Hold my protein meal replacement shake"

boozed wrote:

"We know our e-bike customers don't care or even know what VPP is so here's a bike that says SANTA CRUZ on it."

(Am I too cynical?)

Seriously, the transparent marketing just hurts. SC makes nice bikes, VPP is nice, long link four bars are nice, but the cognitive dissonance in marketing messages is fatiguing. 

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9/27/2024 6:00am

Man I have never had enough cash to consider a santa cruz, but the fact this one has a "legendary collet axle" is really making me consider it.

 

All jokes aside, they are taking a huge decision to go 4bar, to "make the best ebike we have ever made", but couldn't be bothered to figure out how to fit the 800Wh battery that only weighs 1 extra kg in there?

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9/27/2024 6:08am
metadave wrote:
The real reason for in frame storage.... 

The real reason for in frame storage....

 

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is it close enough to the battery and/or motor that they act as a burrito warmer? 

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9/27/2024 6:26am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2024 6:27am
Rick26 wrote:
No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released...

No this looks like a full power Bosch Gen 5 bike as per Norco's post on IG, but it is still strange as they just released a Sight/Range VLT...maybe they're moving away from 60lbs carbon eMTBs ?

Another angle of the new SC, I believe you can see a pivot, but still not fully clear.

VPP.png?VersionId=DN5ZBco86Ew8iXc2MmU
jsray wrote:

edit** Seems odd they would have 2 versions of HP full power ebikes

Jotegr wrote:

Sight is going to be a dedicated platform rather than shared with the range. I'd have to think the current sight is going to get cut. 

If true it's wild that the Sight VLT will have gone through FIVE different generations in the same time the YT Decoy's mould has not changed at all. (which is a testament to the fact YT got it right on the first try)

My 2020/gen 2 Sight VLT was a total POS. Broken chainstays, broken rear axle head, wire harness issues, horrible frame protection and paint, battery weight too high on downtube, too long chainstays (458 and they made them longer the next gen!). Hope they get it right because I really like Norco and they were great to deal with directly for warranty since my local dealer went out of buisness.

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9/27/2024 6:34am
UfuS78 wrote:
I'll just leave it here.  

I'll just leave it here. 

 

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Ugh, SC using the term "pedal bike" as if cyclists weren't bad enough at naming things with things like "clipless pedals".

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9/27/2024 8:10am Edited Date/Time 9/27/2024 8:14am

Bosch is dropping their embargo on the new motor on Monday. Get ready for a flood of new ebike launches for product you cannot buy for another 6 months. 

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