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Still only 50nm. Shame TQ havent figured out a power boost for that motor.
As has been mentioned in this topic before, we are not the average customer. Just the other day, mentioning the wireless only Santa Cruz rumor to a friend of mine in the gym, another guy overheard us (a Santa Cruz ebike rider) and instantly commented how awesome his GX Eagle AXS is. And he's far from the only one giving out comments like that.
People like gimmicks overall, they like things that are "better". QED the love for the punching of the AXS derailleurs bad the clutch action of the mechanism. While I had to basically spell out multiple times here that it's nothing special compared to cable actuated drivetrains, except it being a necessity and, at the bottom line, a complication to make it work. But that's how it goes in this world...
Now, back to rumors.
lol @the Slash+ Ad on pinkbike that leads on a 404. I guess the ad team got the timing wrong (or treks web team)
ohhh nooo, someone might have to actually pedal
How about an eMTB Tech Rumors and Innovation thread stickied to the top to discuss batteries and motors?
This link works, at least for me. https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/electric-mountain-bikes/slash/c/B347/
Any other insight here? Will they be direct mount? Will they feature the battery-less shifter outlined in one of Shimanos patents? https://wheelbased.com/2021/12/16/operating-device-battery-less-wireles…
I spent a day on Transmission on a rented bike the other day and it did shift impressively.
Still, I remain a bit of a caveman and as such I prefer X01 11 speed on my Relay (all steel cassette, light, cheap, great shifting) and an XTR 11 speed on my Smuggler.
It's not a money issue though. It's ground clearance and weight which notably effects rear suspension performance. But also, my previous AXS ruined 2-3 rides due to battery issues and losing a day of riding to have a .1% cleaner shift, is not a tradeoff I want to ever make again.
Regarding the new SJ, I'm sure it's a rocket. But for my tastes it has several geo issues plus the lack of the cabled shifting, makes it a total deal killer for my tastes.
It's almost like people form and have their own opinions based on their experience
Shifters will use 2032 cells, derailleur's battery will be internal, but replaceable.
In other news, there will be a shifterless commuter/city bike group (called ESSA), with a rear dynamo hub and a capacitor in the derailleur for the first shifts when you start pedaling. To set up the starting gear, auto-shifting pattern, etc. you'll have to resort to the same phone app you'll use to adjust the shifting performance of the XTR/XT/Deore gruppos.
This makes so much sense. I couldn't figure out who the market was for XT autoshift, but it seems like the big brains at Shimano were using Mick Hannah to race and develop autoshift on the EDR e-bike so they could roll it out later on commuter e-bikes. Checks out. Kinda like the Canyon KISS system- doesn't make sense for actual MTB users, makes a ton of sense for commuter e-bikes and for high-income Germans using expensive e-MTB's as commuter bikes.
You know what's really super awesome? When the SC bikes do finally get released like this, we'll get ANOTHER 5 pages of people rehashing the same points ad nauseum.
Also answers the question of how they were going to get around SRAMs patent for having the battery on the derailleur...
Apparently September/October timeframe per Specialized Rider Care Customer Service.
While we were bickering about transmission and cable routing, other site dropped photos of Zinc's new bike. Looks nice and simple, and is purely a freeride bike where so many other brands are building "race bikes you can freeride on".
Looks great! There's definitely a market for a bike like that, even if it is niche, although it will be a hard task to take business off of companies like Commencal and YT. Will be interesting to see if its branded as a Sensus or something else entirely (Zink Bikes perhaps)?
Ihave been on linkglide xt 11sp since last season and stil shifts like new when properly cleaned and waxed/squirt(ed). .. same chain same everything.. just a diesel mercedes benz
I'm sure he knows it's a bit niche. It's likely more on the Neko Mulally kind of thing where he wants to build a company around the bikes he wants to ride and develop, and has other sources of income to let it be a pet project for a while.
I'd be keen to see what he could do on the trail bike and slopestyle category too if he has full creative control. Vacay bikes I think was the old name, who knows if he'll bring it back. Zinc bikes also sounds good.
looking closer at the frame, welds, & hardware has me wondering if that was welded by FTW. Could Zink be doing something similar to what Neko is doing with Frameworks?
If the response on the other site from Propain is any indication that some companies do read these forums, I see no reason to hold back on things we feel strongly about. Seems to have worked in getting Propain to ditch cable tourism. Maybe there's still time for SC to re-tool their moulds and ditch cable suicide.
That's just how it goes into almost any industry. In the beginning it feels forced upon you, afterwards you get used to it, and after a while it feels like a pre-historic relic if you still spot one in the wild. Manual car crank windows worked fine for decades, and were a lot cheaper to replace than the motorized ones. However, if you buy a new car, you don't get the option anymore, and not a lot will want to go back. also all innovation comes in steps. You are either a early adopter and buy a minidisc player that got replaced with a ipod or mp3 player before it all goes from your phone, or you stuck with your CD's and went straight to spotify.
I'm with you in hopefulness, but I think the critical difference between Propain and SC is the former is still a relatively small company, latter is owned by PON Holdings and being managed as a profitable investment rather than a core mtb brand. I'm imagining an intern at SC looking at this forum, agreeing with everything, escalating the feedback to their manager, and that feedback being thrown into a black hole
Ironically my e-mtb shit itself yesterday riding from the pub, 30kg bike on DH tyres SUCKS riding uphill lol. Serves me right for not taking the dedicated pub bike hardtail, right tool for the job as they say
You're not wrong, but every single car on the road today has a battery (and has since the 1920s), and 99+% of bicycles don't. It's going to be a while before the average person considers (non-e) bikes with electronics and batteries to be more "normal" than their purely mechanical counterparts. Until then, there's going to be major pushback from cyclists who think it's ridiculous that they can't buy the bike they want without being forced to spend extra on electronic shifting.
Then of course there's e-bikes, but if they continue rising in popularity among regular people (which should incentivize development of cheap and effective drive units), I think most would agree there should still be an option to save $$$ by not being forced to run a fancy and unnecessary electronic shifter. I won't ignore the fact that there may well be cheap and effective e-derailleurs powered by e-bike batteries in the near future, but that doesn't help the issue for regular bikes.
What are you talking about? You can choose between soooooo many brands. The people who tend to choose the big brands (the ones ditching cables on the high end carbon trail bikes) are the kind of people who don’t want cables on their high end trail bikes. You can choose from so many amazing brands that tick all of your boxes. But I don’t think that’s what any of this has been about: this has been an exercise in shitting on the hot new thing, shitting on big bad business, shitting on “oh no this is different and scary.”
Big brands know you have a choice. They know who picks their bikes and who doesn’t. And they don’t care if you don’t want their bikes, they’ll sell them hand over fist anyways.
Wow, he’s put a big fork on that Capra (thats's not a bad thing).... Lewis brakes too
That is not a Capra it's his own bike he made.
You didn't spot the facetious tone huh
Going back a few pages, it is this bike Simon Maurer is currently riding. It's a brand called Frace bike. So no new dh bike from germany, just a new proto/iteration from that brand.