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7/10/2024 12:26pm
iceman2058 wrote:
Well...they keep telling me they're gonna send some, but they have yet to show up...  (but yeah, I've actually ridden the SuperSoft enduro tire now, and I...

Well...they keep telling me they're gonna send some, but they have yet to show up... Unsure (but yeah, I've actually ridden the SuperSoft enduro tire now, and I really liked it...still hope to get some in for a long term review...)

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Which 2.5 front Enduro tire would you choose today for dry rocky e-bike (Relay) usage? Include the Krytoptol Super-soft Enduro casing in that please. Thanks.  ...

Which 2.5 front Enduro tire would you choose today for dry rocky e-bike (Relay) usage? Include the Krytoptol Super-soft Enduro casing in that please.

Thanks.

 

PS. To me, bikes like the Relay, Heckler SL and the Decoy SN make PERFECT sense. I get my super rowdy Enduro rig, but just reduce the suffering and don't have to compromise on tires and other parts in an attempt to reduce rolling resistance so that I can get another run in. That's all I ever wanted.

With the Heckler SL and Decoy SN get your super rowdy enduro rig, but only for 3 to 4 top to bottom descents before you have...

With the Heckler SL and Decoy SN get your super rowdy enduro rig, but only for 3 to 4 top to bottom descents before you have to stop and charge. Maybe I'm in the minority (I would think not on this forum lol) but an eeb doesn't increase the mileage I can do, it just shortens the time it takes to do said mileage. 

430wh is simply not large enough for the length of rides I want to do where a motor is assisting me. (never touch boost) The added weight for removable batteries has been grossly over exaggerated by the industry imo. My dad's XL Spectral ON with the 900wh removable battery weighs 51lbs. The Relay, the Trek Rail and even the full fat Decoy are also not pigs by any means.

45lb natural handling bike + spare battery in the truck = 860wh to play with on a real self shuttle day, not just 3 or 4 runs before you limp home in eco.

Wonder many people actually wait around for their bike to charge at the charging station at Kanuga? I was lucky to have 2 full fat eebs with me the only time I've ridden there.

the Rail not a pig? regardless of whatever you do to it it rides like a school bus and feels like it's 90kg let's be real, everyone that owns one and tried something else like the 160e or the Wild knows it feels much heavier than what it is, it needs a re do soon

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7/10/2024 1:08pm
iceman2058 wrote:
To me, there's a big difference between 45 and 50 lbs in terms of how the bike feels on the trail, and in life in general...

To me, there's a big difference between 45 and 50 lbs in terms of how the bike feels on the trail, and in life in general. The 45 lbs bike I just spent two days on really did have me forgetting I was on an e-bike at times. Even hoisting the thing up onto a lift is "OK" (granted, I'm not a small dude and even though I'm old, the Viking genes are still going strong :-) ). A couple of months ago I spent two days riding a 50 lbs Turbo Levo, and although for general "shredding" that's a very fun and planted ride, I definitely noticed the extra heft. Popping the bike around on smaller features, moving it around in the air, all those little things feel a bit sluggish with that extra battery and motor weight.

As for the builds...yeah, a "real" enduro build will certainly add up to some weight. There's a 350 gram difference between a Fox 36 and a 38, just for starters. If you're gonna actually smash into stuff, you're gonna need real wheels and tires. Of course an "SL" e-bike with 140 mm of travel, a Fox 34 and flimsy trail casings, a 350 wh battery and a 50 nm motor will be significantly lighter, but let's not kid ourselves - it's not an enduro bike even if you can still point it down some rowdy stuff. To me, it's interesting that most of the Super Light e-bikes tend to be actual trail bikes, whereas the full-power ones are the proper enduro bikes. Because the manufacturers are either racing to make the "lightest one" or the one with the most power for climbing. Going forward, maybe we'll start to see bikes divided into 4 quadrants, defined on the one axis by type of riding, and the other by motor size/type.

Even 45 pounds for me is starting to push it. My Chinese carbon SL ebike, with a decently powerful bafang motor, 410wh battery, 170/155mm travel, is 42 pounds without pedals. 

Selling a "budget" SL ebike for $6000 is tough when $6000 gets you a decent full powered ebike thats spec'ed much higher. Its like your friend that you took biking once and they loved it, and are trying to get you to find them a "decent bike" for $600 or less. If you can't budget $1000 minimum, its kinda not worth it for serious riding. All these "budget" SL ebikes are not budget priced for whatever reason, so that along with their 46+ pound weight makes it a tough sell. 

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7/10/2024 4:22pm Edited Date/Time 7/10/2024 4:27pm
Last I heard the release of the range extender got pushed to spring 2025. We'll see if it gets pushed again.   Seriously though, marking an...

Last I heard the release of the range extender got pushed to spring 2025. We'll see if it gets pushed again.

 

Seriously though, marking an E-bike above 45 lbs as a lightweight is a crazy amount of kool-aid from marketing. Keep it around 40 lbs or lower. There are full power, long travel options out there only 3-5 lbs heavier. 

iceman2058 wrote:
It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they...

It's not being marketed as the lightest bike it could be though, just not as heavy as a full power e-bike. They are specifically saying they built it to be burly enough for heavy-duty riding, and they went with a mid-power system to keep the weight down, that's all. That said, it will be interesting to see how quickly the market now arrives at traditional full-power levels from lighter systems than the current full-power ones (the arrival of the DJI motor etc etc)...

The unsaid implication that other midweight ebikes are not burly enough for heavy duty riding is pretty funny. Are people cracking Fuel EXe's left and right on real trails?

 

Let's see what Trek's upcoming SlashE is like. Im willing to bet its not a full-fat ebike and probably weighs more than this in any event. 

I was going to make a joke about the Decoy and Fuel EXe not burning your house down, but holy crap, Bafang actually got their mid weight stuff UL rated. 

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Has anyone heard anything about Chromag coming out with an aluminum dj? Allegedly one of our local slope guys has been on one, but it feels like a pretty big departure for Chromag to go that way. That said, maybe their riders have been asking for something more slope oriented than the Monk? 

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7/11/2024 3:12am Edited Date/Time 7/11/2024 3:16am

I assume these new Kona's were in the pipeline before the original owners re acquired it. It's only been a few months so I would give them some time to work on new things. 

I think they should relaunch the Sticky name with a fun and playful gravity focused bike a la the Specialized Status. 

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7/11/2024 3:25am
DylanJM wrote:
I assume these new Kona's were in the pipeline before the original owners re acquired it. It's only been a few months so I would give...

I assume these new Kona's were in the pipeline before the original owners re acquired it. It's only been a few months so I would give them some time to work on new things. 

I think they should relaunch the Sticky name with a fun and playful gravity focused bike a la the Specialized Status. 

Spoke to some of the Kona UK team that were at the UK bike show a few weeks ago - they were showing one of the 153s and some other new models (these to be announced hopefully August/September).

These were all ready to be shipped from Taiwan months ago, but Kent had held them up (guess not paying up) - UK distributor was in talks to get some of these but then sale back to original owners have unlocked the shipments.

 

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7/11/2024 6:30am
DylanJM wrote:
I assume these new Kona's were in the pipeline before the original owners re acquired it. It's only been a few months so I would give...

I assume these new Kona's were in the pipeline before the original owners re acquired it. It's only been a few months so I would give them some time to work on new things. 

I think they should relaunch the Sticky name with a fun and playful gravity focused bike a la the Specialized Status. 

Sticky Deluxe.
And bring back the Humuhumu-Nukunuku-A-Pua'a

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7/11/2024 7:22am
JerseyMojo wrote:

Slightly underwhelming. Shame, but glad they're still around.

Curious,

I thought they look like a good iteration on the previous model

Carbon and alu

alu has external cables, carbon id fully guided, no headset cable routing

geo looks good, shortish CS and WB, should be a nimble bike

full water bottle, accessory mount, frame protection looks good

good colours, aesthetically they look quite good, Konas simple faux bar.

Personally, the brake choices seem underwhelming, but that has been Konas MO for a while now.

Other than frame storage, what more would you like from a couple trail bikes?

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7/11/2024 7:24am
JerseyMojo wrote:

Slightly underwhelming. Shame, but glad they're still around.

noticed that the base model 134 comes in with an MSRP of under $2k USD.  definitely a budget build, but IMO its good to see that there are proper bikes in that price range for new riders looking at their first bike.

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JerseyMojo wrote:

Slightly underwhelming. Shame, but glad they're still around.

jonkranked wrote:
noticed that the base model 134 comes in with an MSRP of under $2k USD.  definitely a budget build, but IMO its good to see that...

noticed that the base model 134 comes in with an MSRP of under $2k USD.  definitely a budget build, but IMO its good to see that there are proper bikes in that price range for new riders looking at their first bike.

Definitely. Great standover.Good spec too. Yari works well and ive put 10 spd 11-48 microshift advent x on my eeb and im blown away how well it works. Never misses a beat. Bike shops should have an ez time pumping those out

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7/11/2024 8:47am

keep 2 7 5 alive

make kona freeride again

loving the new models but worried about dual 27 being a last gen hangover that looks destined for the chopping block. dont they realize a 167 26inch is what the people want!? right?? errr

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grinch wrote:
Definitely. Great standover.Good spec too. Yari works well and ive put 10 spd 11-48 microshift advent x on my eeb and im blown away how well...

Definitely. Great standover.Good spec too. Yari works well and ive put 10 spd 11-48 microshift advent x on my eeb and im blown away how well it works. Never misses a beat. Bike shops should have an ez time pumping those out

my sons 24" Giant STP came with microshift advent 8 speed and I have been impressed with how good it is for the price. 

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7/11/2024 9:38am

Matty Hunter just posted a bunch of Pictures on his IG that are clearly the Aluminum version of the new Stumpjumper.  (Sorry, I don’t know how to link IG pictures on my phone, my kids probably do) 

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7/11/2024 10:04am

dat feeling when you see that tasty cable routing for a shifting cable HNNGGH feeds the soul

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grinch wrote:
Definitely. Great standover.Good spec too. Yari works well and ive put 10 spd 11-48 microshift advent x on my eeb and im blown away how well...

Definitely. Great standover.Good spec too. Yari works well and ive put 10 spd 11-48 microshift advent x on my eeb and im blown away how well it works. Never misses a beat. Bike shops should have an ez time pumping those out

I appreciate the value and performance of my Advent X, ran it on a few bikes, but the cassette wore out after less than a season. 

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grinch wrote:
Definitely. Great standover.Good spec too. Yari works well and ive put 10 spd 11-48 microshift advent x on my eeb and im blown away how well...

Definitely. Great standover.Good spec too. Yari works well and ive put 10 spd 11-48 microshift advent x on my eeb and im blown away how well it works. Never misses a beat. Bike shops should have an ez time pumping those out

I appreciate the value and performance of my Advent X, ran it on a few bikes, but the cassette wore out after less than a season. 

My cassette is a steel 10spd, maybe they all are. 2nd chain and ill be putting on a 3rd soon as long as it works. Id guess about 3000km on it. Good chance its nearing the end though. Shifter and der still feel like new

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7/11/2024 10:38am
JerseyMojo wrote:

Slightly underwhelming. Shame, but glad they're still around.

jonkranked wrote:
noticed that the base model 134 comes in with an MSRP of under $2k USD.  definitely a budget build, but IMO its good to see that...

noticed that the base model 134 comes in with an MSRP of under $2k USD.  definitely a budget build, but IMO its good to see that there are proper bikes in that price range for new riders looking at their first bike.

grinch wrote:
Definitely. Great standover.Good spec too. Yari works well and ive put 10 spd 11-48 microshift advent x on my eeb and im blown away how well...

Definitely. Great standover.Good spec too. Yari works well and ive put 10 spd 11-48 microshift advent x on my eeb and im blown away how well it works. Never misses a beat. Bike shops should have an ez time pumping those out

A shop I used to work at bought a bunch of the previous 134 base model (which I believe was the same price) expecting the same, and they sold absolutely terribly. Put a 35 on it instead of a Recon for $1999 and I think that'd be much more compelling, and it's definitely better than the entry-level Rift Zone with a Recon, Suntour shock, and Deore 10spd that we sold for about the same price. Up until about $2500 there are usually just too many compromises for most people (the base 153 at that price looks good though).

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7/11/2024 10:56am Edited Date/Time 7/11/2024 11:00am
jonkranked wrote:
noticed that the base model 134 comes in with an MSRP of under $2k USD.  definitely a budget build, but IMO its good to see that...

noticed that the base model 134 comes in with an MSRP of under $2k USD.  definitely a budget build, but IMO its good to see that there are proper bikes in that price range for new riders looking at their first bike.

grinch wrote:
Definitely. Great standover.Good spec too. Yari works well and ive put 10 spd 11-48 microshift advent x on my eeb and im blown away how well...

Definitely. Great standover.Good spec too. Yari works well and ive put 10 spd 11-48 microshift advent x on my eeb and im blown away how well it works. Never misses a beat. Bike shops should have an ez time pumping those out

A shop I used to work at bought a bunch of the previous 134 base model (which I believe was the same price) expecting the same...

A shop I used to work at bought a bunch of the previous 134 base model (which I believe was the same price) expecting the same, and they sold absolutely terribly. Put a 35 on it instead of a Recon for $1999 and I think that'd be much more compelling, and it's definitely better than the entry-level Rift Zone with a Recon, Suntour shock, and Deore 10spd that we sold for about the same price. Up until about $2500 there are usually just too many compromises for most people (the base 153 at that price looks good though).

I was at a Norco dealer and we sold absolute boatloads of the previous generations of opening price point fluids and those came with an utterly dogshit suspension spec. The Suntour fork borderline didn't work and the X-fusion shock's bushings knocked in a couple weeks if the bike was actually ridden. Sold so many fox mounting hardware and bushing kits to sort those out at a deep discount. I view these Kona models as a significant upgrade in that department.

 

Depends on the market I guess.

 

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Hey, I did a major rebuild this spring on the corner in the third picture! I'm basically famous!

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7/11/2024 11:25am Edited Date/Time 7/11/2024 12:05pm

Matt Hunter’s Stumpy 15 alloy 

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Matt Hunter’s Stumpy 15 alloy   

Matt Hunter’s Stumpy 15 alloy 

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not only are you a couple posts late... but i think the internet talking about it has forced him to remove it in some manner of breaking embargo (or more so just worried of ruining relationship with the big s lol)

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Kusa wrote:
Matt Hunter’s Stumpy 15 alloy   

Matt Hunter’s Stumpy 15 alloy 

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LePigPen wrote:
not only are you a couple posts late... but i think the internet talking about it has forced him to remove it in some manner of...

not only are you a couple posts late... but i think the internet talking about it has forced him to remove it in some manner of breaking embargo (or more so just worried of ruining relationship with the big s lol)

Fixed it for you. Also hardly believe that would harm him in any way - that bike is known to come, was already shown last week just in a different material, there is really nothing new or secret at all. 

Most likely their usual guerilla marketing – show it, make people talk about it, shut it down like "oops".

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well thats what im sayin but apparently it was enough to force a removal lol

i mean hes not like a journalist under embargo in any way i presume

WE GOT DA RECEIPTS... U CANT DENY OUR EYES THE BEAUTY THAT IS SHIFT CABLE ROUTING

i wanna see the first person to zip tie a shift cable to a carbon stumpy...

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7/11/2024 12:12pm
grinch wrote:
My cassette is a steel 10spd, maybe they all are. 2nd chain and ill be putting on a 3rd soon as long as it works. Id...

My cassette is a steel 10spd, maybe they all are. 2nd chain and ill be putting on a 3rd soon as long as it works. Id guess about 3000km on it. Good chance its nearing the end though. Shifter and der still feel like new

I think they are steel with the final granny being aluminum. 

I got up from my desk to go take a pic of mine, but I threw it away I think. Even the steel teeth were bent and worn. Granted I'm 190 pounds and grind up steep climbs at a low cadence. 

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7/11/2024 12:14pm

I stumbled upon a first ride review of the new Lapierre while queuing up a late-night ASMR vid.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6l04t-u_seE&pp=ygUUTG9hbSB3b2xmIGZpcnN0IH…

Other than the potentially short seat tube insertion, this looks like an amazing bike. I'd love to try one in both configurations to feel the difference. 

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