My 2004 Santa Cruz V10 had a floating arm as well. My Transition Blindside had one around 2008. These existed to overcome a variety of brake/suspension induced characteristics.
There was even a company that made them for a variety of bikes. Brake Therapy.
What was old is new again: tall bars, pulley wheels, floating brake arms...
What Santa Cruz and Yeti (and Scott) do is use different materials where a more expensive material is stronger and less of it can be used...
What Santa Cruz and Yeti (and Scott) do is use different materials where a more expensive material is stronger and less of it can be used. Thus lower weight. What that means for stiffness I can't say, but supposedly they should all be as strong (and stiff?) just with some heavier and cheaper.
But I can say with 100 percent certainty that different layups can and do affect stiffness 🙂
What Santa Cruz and Yeti (and Scott) do is use different materials where a more expensive material is stronger and less of it can be used...
What Santa Cruz and Yeti (and Scott) do is use different materials where a more expensive material is stronger and less of it can be used. Thus lower weight. What that means for stiffness I can't say, but supposedly they should all be as strong (and stiff?) just with some heavier and cheaper.
But I can say with 100 percent certainty that different layups can and do affect stiffness 🙂
Pretty sure Foes used floating brakes 20+ years ago. It’s nothing new.
Foes was nearly 30 years ago! The yeti DH-8 lawwill bikes had a mini brake arm, Cannondale too. Interestingly Sunn, Vprocesse and Honda bikes didn't, despite being designs you would think suited it, and being very advanced bikes for their time. (they may have tried it but it certainly wasn't their standard choice)
I think they are a cool idea - combined with chain idlers you can theoretically decouple the drivetrain, braking and wheelpath characteristics and adjust them all independently. Obviously this is a lot of extra complication but they can be a powerful tuning tool!
(for clarification, i was aware foes was using floating brakes arms back in the early 2000's as i was trackside at the races...just thought the new foes and saracen suspension layouts and floaters looked similar-ish)
What Santa Cruz and Yeti (and Scott) do is use different materials where a more expensive material is stronger and less of it can be used...
What Santa Cruz and Yeti (and Scott) do is use different materials where a more expensive material is stronger and less of it can be used. Thus lower weight. What that means for stiffness I can't say, but supposedly they should all be as strong (and stiff?) just with some heavier and cheaper.
But I can say with 100 percent certainty that different layups can and do affect stiffness 🙂
For sure and it's commonly used in aeronautics to tune the stiffness/compliance of composite assemblies (to withstand different loads cases for example). If it's less expensive than using a complete new mold, I'd say it's not negligible (more material, more curing time, maybe more NDT...). It's to be noted that normally you can use a mold up to a certain range of plies (outside this range, you might need to have a new mold)
I've heard today from a knowledgeable person the confirmation that the new DH from Scott will indeed have the shock hidden in the frame (I've understood that it was currently being tested by some factory riders in Andorra). I've not heard about the suspension layout though
(for clarification, i was aware foes was using floating brakes arms back in the early 2000's as i was trackside at the races...just thought the new...
(for clarification, i was aware foes was using floating brakes arms back in the early 2000's as i was trackside at the races...just thought the new foes and saracen suspension layouts and floaters looked similar-ish)
Sorry Spomer yeah I know thats not new for you....I actually had an old Dirt mag close at hand I flicked through to remember some old bikes and thought you could easily written one of the articles in there!
So, I just heard a rumor that apparently there will be a UDH-compatibility update to the Specialized Enduro after all. And pretty soon at that. Like, "available to purchase in a couple of weeks"-soon.
Obviously take that with a grain of salt or two. It certainly doesn't sound very plausible.
So, I just heard a rumor that apparently there will be a UDH-compatibility update to the Specialized Enduro after all. And pretty soon at that. Like...
So, I just heard a rumor that apparently there will be a UDH-compatibility update to the Specialized Enduro after all. And pretty soon at that. Like, "available to purchase in a couple of weeks"-soon.
Obviously take that with a grain of salt or two. It certainly doesn't sound very plausible.
That would be very unlike Specialized but i'll be damned if it is true. I love my Enduro and this would be a great upgrade so I can run the SRAM derailleurs with stronger clutch. It shouldn't be too hard to make because the seat stays are one-size for all bikes and it is a single piece. They just need to make the hanger side bore wider and reinforce it a bit more.
Status 2 140 $3,500 Status 2 140 ZERO $3,000 (size 0, 27.5/26 mini mullet) Status 2 170 $3,500 Status 2 170 DH $4,500 Status 2 170 ZERO $3,000 (size 0, 27.5/26 mini mullet) Status 2 170 Frameset $2,000
In a sense I half expected the 140 status to be the alloy stumpjumper - even though Mr. Hunter's bike is clearly very different than what we started seeing of the status a little while ago. Strange, it seems to me those bikes will have significant overlap aside from some geometry tweaks and the suspension tech features in the new stumpy. I wonder what the opening price stumpy will be? Traditionally they have had a pretty affordable base alloy spec.
That would be very unlike Specialized but i'll be damned if it is true. I love my Enduro and this would be a great upgrade so...
That would be very unlike Specialized but i'll be damned if it is true. I love my Enduro and this would be a great upgrade so I can run the SRAM derailleurs with stronger clutch. It shouldn't be too hard to make because the seat stays are one-size for all bikes and it is a single piece. They just need to make the hanger side bore wider and reinforce it a bit more.
"SRAM derailleurs with stronger clutch"i hope you don't mean transmission because it's the other way around
So, I just heard a rumor that apparently there will be a UDH-compatibility update to the Specialized Enduro after all. And pretty soon at that. Like...
So, I just heard a rumor that apparently there will be a UDH-compatibility update to the Specialized Enduro after all. And pretty soon at that. Like, "available to purchase in a couple of weeks"-soon.
Obviously take that with a grain of salt or two. It certainly doesn't sound very plausible.
So, I just heard a rumor that apparently there will be a UDH-compatibility update to the Specialized Enduro after all. And pretty soon at that. Like...
So, I just heard a rumor that apparently there will be a UDH-compatibility update to the Specialized Enduro after all. And pretty soon at that. Like, "available to purchase in a couple of weeks"-soon.
Obviously take that with a grain of salt or two. It certainly doesn't sound very plausible.
I kind of hope, somehow, they are able to add a mullet flip chip or something when they redo the drop outs for the Enduro. That would be neat. But Im expecting them to just remove the holes for cables because F us right 😈
Yeah, odd they just didn’t do a Stumpy Evo-esq update last year. Adjustable head cups etc. Just modernise the geo a tad, keep the suspension layout the same and do a full redesign after the proto demo becomes production. Maybe they didn’t want to invest in the moulds due to the covid slump and thought they’d skip a generation 🤷
Foes was nearly 30 years ago! The yeti DH-8 lawwill bikes had a mini brake arm, Cannondale too. Interestingly Sunn, Vprocesse and Honda bikes didn't, despite...
Foes was nearly 30 years ago! The yeti DH-8 lawwill bikes had a mini brake arm, Cannondale too. Interestingly Sunn, Vprocesse and Honda bikes didn't, despite being designs you would think suited it, and being very advanced bikes for their time. (they may have tried it but it certainly wasn't their standard choice)
I think they are a cool idea - combined with chain idlers you can theoretically decouple the drivetrain, braking and wheelpath characteristics and adjust them all independently. Obviously this is a lot of extra complication but they can be a powerful tuning tool!
The VProcess also used one at one stage I saw an image of it the other day I’ll upload when I find it, orange also used a brake arm, even the Tomac 204 Lawwill tested it on some of the team bikes.
Rumor I heard was that there were major production issues that set the Enduro back a whole year…
This jives with what I have heard around and through the grapevine, too. I guess the bikes were damn near ready to go, but something happened when scaling them up for full production. Last I heard there was not even a hint of an ETA for release.
Pretty sure Foes used floating brakes 20+ years ago. It’s nothing new.
And Kona too.
My 2004 Santa Cruz V10 had a floating arm as well. My Transition Blindside had one around 2008. These existed to overcome a variety of brake/suspension induced characteristics.
There was even a company that made them for a variety of bikes. Brake Therapy.
What was old is new again: tall bars, pulley wheels, floating brake arms...
Basically all brands do this, pivot just makes a big deal about it. If a small and XL used the exact same layup, one would ride like crap.
It kinda smells like marketing fluff to me.
You literally have to use a different layup for each size because the carbon fabric cut pattern for a small isn’t enough material to make an XL frame.
Foes was nearly 30 years ago! The yeti DH-8 lawwill bikes had a mini brake arm, Cannondale too. Interestingly Sunn, Vprocesse and Honda bikes didn't, despite being designs you would think suited it, and being very advanced bikes for their time. (they may have tried it but it certainly wasn't their standard choice)
I think they are a cool idea - combined with chain idlers you can theoretically decouple the drivetrain, braking and wheelpath characteristics and adjust them all independently. Obviously this is a lot of extra complication but they can be a powerful tuning tool!
(for clarification, i was aware foes was using floating brakes arms back in the early 2000's as i was trackside at the races...just thought the new foes and saracen suspension layouts and floaters looked similar-ish)
jonny's article on pivot's size-specific layup if anyone is interested - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/size-does-matter-small-vs-xl-pivot-cy…
For sure and it's commonly used in aeronautics to tune the stiffness/compliance of composite assemblies (to withstand different loads cases for example). If it's less expensive than using a complete new mold, I'd say it's not negligible (more material, more curing time, maybe more NDT...). It's to be noted that normally you can use a mold up to a certain range of plies (outside this range, you might need to have a new mold)
I've heard today from a knowledgeable person the confirmation that the new DH from Scott will indeed have the shock hidden in the frame (I've understood that it was currently being tested by some factory riders in Andorra). I've not heard about the suspension layout though
Sorry Spomer yeah I know thats not new for you....I actually had an old Dirt mag close at hand I flicked through to remember some old bikes and thought you could easily written one of the articles in there!
So, I just heard a rumor that apparently there will be a UDH-compatibility update to the Specialized Enduro after all. And pretty soon at that. Like, "available to purchase in a couple of weeks"-soon.
Obviously take that with a grain of salt or two. It certainly doesn't sound very plausible.
That would be very unlike Specialized but i'll be damned if it is true. I love my Enduro and this would be a great upgrade so I can run the SRAM derailleurs with stronger clutch. It shouldn't be too hard to make because the seat stays are one-size for all bikes and it is a single piece. They just need to make the hanger side bore wider and reinforce it a bit more.
Designed by a focus group of PB commenters? (that’s neither criticism nor praise)
Also this isn’t a rumor so much as an advertisement.
official status press release - https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/introducing-all-new-status-2
Status 2 140 $3,500
Status 2 140 ZERO $3,000 (size 0, 27.5/26 mini mullet)
Status 2 170 $3,500
Status 2 170 DH $4,500
Status 2 170 ZERO $3,000 (size 0, 27.5/26 mini mullet)
Status 2 170 Frameset $2,000
God damn that’s an ugly paint job
Cant wait till they're $1200 bucks on buy/sell
In a sense I half expected the 140 status to be the alloy stumpjumper - even though Mr. Hunter's bike is clearly very different than what we started seeing of the status a little while ago. Strange, it seems to me those bikes will have significant overlap aside from some geometry tweaks and the suspension tech features in the new stumpy. I wonder what the opening price stumpy will be? Traditionally they have had a pretty affordable base alloy spec.
The ally stumpy is going to have to be good to beat that.
Why this came to mind I don't know:
"SRAM derailleurs with stronger clutch"i hope you don't mean transmission because it's the other way around
I’ve heard this from 2 different sources as well.
Needs more skulls and cobwebs
I heard the same.
I kind of hope, somehow, they are able to add a mullet flip chip or something when they redo the drop outs for the Enduro. That would be neat. But Im expecting them to just remove the holes for cables because F us right 😈
Really? A minor update for their most outdated bike? Bizarre
Not if they have a pile of front triangles laying around
Yeah, odd they just didn’t do a Stumpy Evo-esq update last year. Adjustable head cups etc. Just modernise the geo a tad, keep the suspension layout the same and do a full redesign after the proto demo becomes production. Maybe they didn’t want to invest in the moulds due to the covid slump and thought they’d skip a generation 🤷
The VProcess also used one at one stage I saw an image of it the other day I’ll upload when I find it, orange also used a brake arm, even the Tomac 204 Lawwill tested it on some of the team bikes.
Rumor I heard was that there were major production issues that set the Enduro back a whole year…
This jives with what I have heard around and through the grapevine, too. I guess the bikes were damn near ready to go, but something happened when scaling them up for full production. Last I heard there was not even a hint of an ETA for release.
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