EDIT: dual short links obviously, any Horst link bike is technically a dual link bike by that metric.
EDIT: tired after a training session, I saw the frame design topic at the same time and the Vala comment, kinda though the question is aimed at the aluminium Vala and just answered, not seeing all the other answers.
At least Trek's frameset pricing is getting really reasonable for these. Goes to show you where the cost is going, because $5300 CAD for a 37 pound bike with eagle 70, rhythm/performance suspension, db8s, and entirely in-house parts otherwise is.... ehh.
Like the old adage, light, cheap or strong, pick two - now you get to pick none.
At least Trek's frameset pricing is getting really reasonable for these. Goes to show you where the cost is going, because $5300 CAD for a 37...
At least Trek's frameset pricing is getting really reasonable for these. Goes to show you where the cost is going, because $5300 CAD for a 37 pound bike with eagle 70, rhythm/performance suspension, db8s, and entirely in-house parts otherwise is.... ehh.
Like the old adage, light, cheap or strong, pick two - now you get to pick none.
What’s the pricing on the new frames? $2,800 retail for the current gen aluminum Fuel Ex always made me laugh.
No so sure about the strategy of, in fairly quick succession, having a huge sale and taking a bunch of people's money, sending them an email...
No so sure about the strategy of, in fairly quick succession, having a huge sale and taking a bunch of people's money, sending them an email telling them neither the bike nor a refund are imminent, and then launching a new version of a bike called the "decoy."
super awkward situation where there are possibly two different companies acting under the YT name. this would explain why there is still a decoy launch and...
super awkward situation where there are possibly two different companies acting under the YT name. this would explain why there is still a decoy launch and why marketing continues as though nothing is out of the ordinary. It is also worth noting that the offical email said that orders wouldn't be fulfilled at this time, not that they would never be fulfilled. Again, I know shit about business but I am very interested in the volatility of the industry at this point and I am very curious how this will affect the companies and the riders. really sucks if you have money actually tied up in euro YT, but it looks like the decoy might still be a safe bet in NA?
All I can tell you from a German's perspective is that there have been a bunch of smaller (bike) companies here operating under the same self-administered restructuring process - many of which were able to recover. The goal of these proceedings is actually to get the company back on track and not just sugar coating a bankruptcy.
Given this, I would expect that customers will receive their bikes eventually even if they are not technically allowed to say this at the moment.
Pretty sure that Beat Zaugg has such a chub for Twinloc that he played the long game with the Bold purchase, just to finally be able to offer a DH bike with a lockout lever.
Seen em in person, met a lad who was sponsored by the company. They seem to do their job well and don't snap axles.
So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.
I love this comment from the red site over D'Arcy O'Connor's Multi-Link Doc Tec Prototype : "Creeping featurism. Give engineers free rein and they’ll obsess about optimizing some parameter and make the product overly complex/expensive/etc even when nobody can tell the difference in said parameter because it’s being used by an actual human."
So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.I love this comment...
So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.
I love this comment from the red site over D'Arcy O'Connor's Multi-Link Doc Tec Prototype : "Creeping featurism. Give engineers free rein and they’ll obsess about optimizing some parameter and make the product overly complex/expensive/etc even when nobody can tell the difference in said parameter because it’s being used by an actual human."
Bro look in the frame design thread I'm guilty of exactly the same thing D'Arcy is doing 😂 just without the floating shock. I fully agree with you about giving engineers free reign, but letting them loose every now and then helps them build skills and stops them getting bored. Engineers can have a little complicated design as a treat.
So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.I love this comment...
So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.
I love this comment from the red site over D'Arcy O'Connor's Multi-Link Doc Tec Prototype : "Creeping featurism. Give engineers free rein and they’ll obsess about optimizing some parameter and make the product overly complex/expensive/etc even when nobody can tell the difference in said parameter because it’s being used by an actual human."
That was Walt of Waltworks bikes if I’m not mistaken.
A German shop seems to have listed almost all new Trek Fuel models in the shortest travel configuration (scroll down a little): https://bike-alm.de/fahrraeder-mtb-trek/?p=1 Keep in mind that German pricing includes VAT.
Also includes geo charts, unfortunately in German: 485 mm reach, 638 mm stack and 442 mm chain stay in size large. The little hump in the top tube is unfortunate though. With it, the bike looks good, but not great (imo).
A German shop seems to have listed almost all new Trek Fuel models in the shortest travel configuration (scroll down a little): https://bike-alm.de/fahrraeder-mtb-trek/?p=1 Keep in mind...
A German shop seems to have listed almost all new Trek Fuel models in the shortest travel configuration (scroll down a little): https://bike-alm.de/fahrraeder-mtb-trek/?p=1 Keep in mind that German pricing includes VAT.
Also includes geo charts, unfortunately in German: 485 mm reach, 638 mm stack and 442 mm chain stay in size large. The little hump in the top tube is unfortunate though. With it, the bike looks good, but not great (imo).
That 'Phaze Amethyst' and 'Chameleon Green' colors on the Fuel EX are sick and reminiscent of the paint jobs on the new version of the Cannondale Jekylls when they first came out. Good looking rigs.
Looking at the existing Superior Peak frame on Ari's website, it seems pretty clear that this diapered frame has a different shock location/orientation.
Ari crab link. But if just doing another crab link no reason to hide it with a diaper other than to try and build hype.
I think you’d be able to see part of the rocker if it was a genuine/normal crab link though. In the last photo you can see the seat tube and the seat stays extending past it, but no sign of a rocker link.
I think you’d be able to see part of the rocker if it was a genuine/normal crab link though. In the last photo you can see...
I think you’d be able to see part of the rocker if it was a genuine/normal crab link though. In the last photo you can see the seat tube and the seat stays extending past it, but no sign of a rocker link.
I was on my phone and didn't zoom in enough.
Okay then return of the Diamonback Knucklebox.
Only soo many ways to package a vertical shock and get a useable LR.
Kavenz. Alloy only.
Nicolai also.
Raaw
Atherton's aluminum bikes.
Ibis, Giant, Santa Cruz, Ghost, Commencal, etc.
EDIT: dual short links obviously, any Horst link bike is technically a dual link bike by that metric.
EDIT: tired after a training session, I saw the frame design topic at the same time and the Vala comment, kinda though the question is aimed at the aluminium Vala and just answered, not seeing all the other answers.
Well, seing it out in the wild, its not that much of a sercret anymore i guess
Cool to see they have so great specced alu frames
This is a sick looking little bike. Trek's new approach will be cool to learn more about.
New Gambler. Screenshot from Brendog's Vlog.
At least Trek's frameset pricing is getting really reasonable for these. Goes to show you where the cost is going, because $5300 CAD for a 37 pound bike with eagle 70, rhythm/performance suspension, db8s, and entirely in-house parts otherwise is.... ehh.
Like the old adage, light, cheap or strong, pick two - now you get to pick none.
Pretty sure the Scott team has been racing on that frame all season so far.
What’s the pricing on the new frames? $2,800 retail for the current gen aluminum Fuel Ex always made me laugh.
All I can tell you from a German's perspective is that there have been a bunch of smaller (bike) companies here operating under the same self-administered restructuring process - many of which were able to recover. The goal of these proceedings is actually to get the company back on track and not just sugar coating a bankruptcy.
Given this, I would expect that customers will receive their bikes eventually even if they are not technically allowed to say this at the moment.
Pretty sure that Beat Zaugg has such a chub for Twinloc that he played the long game with the Bold purchase, just to finally be able to offer a DH bike with a lockout lever.
Anyone else seen this
Seen em in person, met a lad who was sponsored by the company. They seem to do their job well and don't snap axles.
So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.
I love this comment from the red site over D'Arcy O'Connor's Multi-Link Doc Tec Prototype :
"Creeping featurism. Give engineers free rein and they’ll obsess about optimizing some parameter and make the product overly complex/expensive/etc even when nobody can tell the difference in said parameter because it’s being used by an actual human."
Bro look in the frame design thread I'm guilty of exactly the same thing D'Arcy is doing 😂 just without the floating shock. I fully agree with you about giving engineers free reign, but letting them loose every now and then helps them build skills and stops them getting bored. Engineers can have a little complicated design as a treat.
That was Walt of Waltworks bikes if I’m not mistaken.
From a different angle
A German shop seems to have listed almost all new Trek Fuel models in the shortest travel configuration (scroll down a little): https://bike-alm.de/fahrraeder-mtb-trek/?p=1 Keep in mind that German pricing includes VAT.
Also includes geo charts, unfortunately in German: 485 mm reach, 638 mm stack and 442 mm chain stay in size large.
The little hump in the top tube is unfortunate though. With it, the bike looks good, but not great (imo).
Another German shop has some ebikes/+ models in case anyone is interested: https://www.rabe-bike.de/de/mountainbike/allmountain-bike?manufacturer_filter=trek
That 'Phaze Amethyst' and 'Chameleon Green' colors on the Fuel EX are sick and reminiscent of the paint jobs on the new version of the Cannondale Jekylls when they first came out. Good looking rigs.
Will there be a alloy frame only Option?
Looking at the existing Superior Peak frame on Ari's website, it seems pretty clear that this diapered frame has a different shock location/orientation.
Something is different because the current frame has the shock mounted to the middle of the downtube in a horizontal alignment.
The picture shown has to have a vertical alignment.
Ari crab link. But if just doing another crab link no reason to hide it with a diaper other than to try and build hype.
I think you’d be able to see part of the rocker if it was a genuine/normal crab link though. In the last photo you can see the seat tube and the seat stays extending past it, but no sign of a rocker link.
I was on my phone and didn't zoom in enough.
Okay then return of the Diamonback Knucklebox.
Only soo many ways to package a vertical shock and get a useable LR.