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7/22/2025 8:08am
jalopyj wrote:

raw aluminum one looks great... 

makes me think, any other dual link suspension offering aluminum frames? I suppose Banshee falls under that umbrella. Anyone else? 

Commencal 

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7/22/2025 8:13am Edited Date/Time 7/22/2025 8:27am
jalopyj wrote:

raw aluminum one looks great... 

makes me think, any other dual link suspension offering aluminum frames? I suppose Banshee falls under that umbrella. Anyone else? 

thegromit wrote:

Commencal 

And Giant. Not (usually) in a raw finish, but their trail & enduro lines are pretty much always available in both carbon & aluminum.

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b.ay
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Kavenz. Alloy only. 

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Nicolai also.

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Raaw

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7/22/2025 9:58am
jalopyj wrote:

raw aluminum one looks great... 

makes me think, any other dual link suspension offering aluminum frames? I suppose Banshee falls under that umbrella. Anyone else? 

Atherton's aluminum bikes.

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7/22/2025 10:11am Edited Date/Time 7/22/2025 10:14am

Ibis, Giant, Santa Cruz, Ghost, Commencal, etc.

EDIT: dual short links obviously, any Horst link bike is technically a dual link bike by that metric.

EDIT: tired after a training session, I saw the frame design topic at the same time and the Vala comment, kinda though the question is aimed at the aluminium Vala and just answered, not seeing all the other answers. 

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7/22/2025 10:47am Edited Date/Time 7/22/2025 10:49am
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Well, seing it out in the wild, its not that much of a sercret anymore i guess

 

Cool to see they have so great specced alu frames

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Well, seing it out in the wild, its not that much of a sercret anymore i guess Cool to see they have so great specced alu frames
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Well, seing it out in the wild, its not that much of a sercret anymore i guess

 

Cool to see they have so great specced alu frames

This is a sick looking little bike. Trek's new approach will be cool to learn more about. 

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7/22/2025 1:20pm

New Gambler.  Screenshot from Brendog's Vlog.

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7/22/2025 1:23pm Edited Date/Time 7/22/2025 1:33pm

At least Trek's frameset pricing is getting really reasonable for these. Goes to show you where the cost is going, because $5300 CAD for a 37 pound bike with eagle 70, rhythm/performance suspension, db8s, and entirely in-house parts otherwise is.... ehh.

 

Like the old adage, light, cheap or strong, pick two - now you get to pick none. 

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New Gambler.  Screenshot from Brendog's Vlog.

New Gambler.  Screenshot from Brendog's Vlog.

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Pretty sure the Scott team has been racing on that frame all season so far. 

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7/22/2025 11:30pm
Jotegr wrote:
At least Trek's frameset pricing is getting really reasonable for these. Goes to show you where the cost is going, because $5300 CAD for a 37...

At least Trek's frameset pricing is getting really reasonable for these. Goes to show you where the cost is going, because $5300 CAD for a 37 pound bike with eagle 70, rhythm/performance suspension, db8s, and entirely in-house parts otherwise is.... ehh.

 

Like the old adage, light, cheap or strong, pick two - now you get to pick none. 

What’s the pricing on the new frames? $2,800 retail for the current gen aluminum Fuel Ex always made me laugh.

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7/23/2025 12:11am Edited Date/Time 7/23/2025 12:28am
No so sure about the strategy of, in fairly quick succession, having a huge sale and taking a bunch of people's money, sending them an email...

No so sure about the strategy of, in fairly quick succession, having a huge sale and taking a bunch of people's money, sending them an email telling them neither the bike nor a refund are imminent, and then launching a new version of a bike called the "decoy."

super awkward situation where there are possibly two different companies acting under the YT name. this would explain why there is still a decoy launch and...

super awkward situation where there are possibly two different companies acting under the YT name. this would explain why there is still a decoy launch and why marketing continues as though nothing is out of the ordinary. It is also worth noting that the offical email said that orders wouldn't be fulfilled at this time, not that they would never be fulfilled. Again, I know shit about business but I am very interested in the volatility of the industry at this point and I am very curious how this will affect the companies and the riders. really sucks if you have money actually tied up in euro YT, but it looks like the decoy might still be a safe bet in NA?

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All I can tell you from a German's perspective is that there have been a bunch of smaller (bike) companies here operating under the same self-administered restructuring process - many of which were able to recover. The goal of these proceedings is actually to get the company back on track and not just sugar coating a bankruptcy.

Given this, I would expect that customers will receive their bikes eventually even if they are not technically allowed to say this at the moment.

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New Gambler.  Screenshot from Brendog's Vlog.

New Gambler.  Screenshot from Brendog's Vlog.

Screenshot 2025-07-22 at 2.19.11%E2%80%AFPM.png?VersionId=AX1FViT9yPK5LnnWJ12qLSnWrGyT

Pretty sure that Beat Zaugg has such a chub for Twinloc that he played the long game with the Bold purchase, just to finally be able to offer a DH bike with a lockout lever.

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7/24/2025 7:32pm Edited Date/Time 7/25/2025 5:42am

IMG 3563.jpeg?VersionId=tO.DbcAP50ryFW7GldIs Ari trolling or is this something new? From Nikolas Nesteroff ig.

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shreda
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7/24/2025 11:21pm Edited Date/Time 7/24/2025 11:23pm
roost66 wrote:
Is Ari trolling or is this something new? From Nikolas Nesteroff ig.

IMG 3563.jpeg?VersionId=tO.DbcAP50ryFW7GldIs Ari trolling or is this something new? From Nikolas Nesteroff ig.

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7/25/2025 1:12am

Anyone else seen this

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Anyone else seen this

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TimBud wrote:

Anyone else seen this

Seen em in person, met a lad who was sponsored by the company. They seem to do their job well and don't snap axles.

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Seen em in person, met a lad who was sponsored by the company. They seem to do their job well and don't snap axles.

So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.

I love this comment from the red site over D'Arcy O'Connor's Multi-Link Doc Tec Prototype :
"Creeping featurism. Give engineers free rein and they’ll obsess about optimizing some parameter and make the product overly complex/expensive/etc even when nobody can tell the difference in said parameter because it’s being used by an actual human."

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7/25/2025 1:51am Edited Date/Time 7/25/2025 1:52am
qblambda wrote:
So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.I love this comment...

So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.

I love this comment from the red site over D'Arcy O'Connor's Multi-Link Doc Tec Prototype :
"Creeping featurism. Give engineers free rein and they’ll obsess about optimizing some parameter and make the product overly complex/expensive/etc even when nobody can tell the difference in said parameter because it’s being used by an actual human."

Bro look in the frame design thread I'm guilty of exactly the same thing D'Arcy is doing 😂 just without the floating shock. I fully agree with you about giving engineers free reign, but letting them loose every now and then helps them build skills and stops them getting bored. Engineers can have a little complicated design as a treat.

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7/25/2025 4:16am

Seen em in person, met a lad who was sponsored by the company. They seem to do their job well and don't snap axles.

qblambda wrote:
So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.I love this comment...

So do other hubs. That's why this one never caught on, especially with this proprietary disc. This answers no problem but creates one.

I love this comment from the red site over D'Arcy O'Connor's Multi-Link Doc Tec Prototype :
"Creeping featurism. Give engineers free rein and they’ll obsess about optimizing some parameter and make the product overly complex/expensive/etc even when nobody can tell the difference in said parameter because it’s being used by an actual human."

That was Walt of Waltworks bikes if I’m not mistaken. 

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7/25/2025 4:40am
roost66 wrote:
Is Ari trolling or is this something new? From Nikolas Nesteroff ig.

IMG 3563.jpeg?VersionId=tO.DbcAP50ryFW7GldIs Ari trolling or is this something new? From Nikolas Nesteroff ig.

shreda wrote:

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From a different angle

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7/25/2025 6:04am

A German shop seems to have listed almost all new Trek Fuel models in the shortest travel configuration (scroll down a little): https://bike-alm.de/fahrraeder-mtb-trek/?p=1 Keep in mind that German pricing includes VAT.


Also includes geo charts, unfortunately in German: 485 mm reach, 638 mm stack and 442 mm chain stay in size large. 
The little hump in the top tube is unfortunate though. With it, the bike looks good, but not great (imo).
 

Another German shop has some ebikes/+ models in case anyone is interested: https://www.rabe-bike.de/de/mountainbike/allmountain-bike?manufacturer_filter=trek

 

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A German shop seems to have listed almost all new Trek Fuel models in the shortest travel configuration (scroll down a little): https://bike-alm.de/fahrraeder-mtb-trek/?p=1 Keep in mind...

A German shop seems to have listed almost all new Trek Fuel models in the shortest travel configuration (scroll down a little): https://bike-alm.de/fahrraeder-mtb-trek/?p=1 Keep in mind that German pricing includes VAT.


Also includes geo charts, unfortunately in German: 485 mm reach, 638 mm stack and 442 mm chain stay in size large. 
The little hump in the top tube is unfortunate though. With it, the bike looks good, but not great (imo).
 

Another German shop has some ebikes/+ models in case anyone is interested: https://www.rabe-bike.de/de/mountainbike/allmountain-bike?manufacturer_filter=trek

 

That 'Phaze Amethyst' and 'Chameleon Green' colors on the Fuel EX are sick and reminiscent of the paint jobs on the new version of the Cannondale Jekylls when they first came out. Good looking rigs.

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7/25/2025 6:50am

Will there be a alloy frame only Option?

 

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7/25/2025 6:52am
roost66 wrote:
Is Ari trolling or is this something new? From Nikolas Nesteroff ig.

IMG 3563.jpeg?VersionId=tO.DbcAP50ryFW7GldIs Ari trolling or is this something new? From Nikolas Nesteroff ig.

shreda wrote:

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From a different angle

From a different angle

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Looking at the existing Superior Peak frame on Ari's website, it seems pretty clear that this diapered frame has a different shock location/orientation.

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7/25/2025 7:01am
roost66 wrote:
Is Ari trolling or is this something new? From Nikolas Nesteroff ig.

IMG 3563.jpeg?VersionId=tO.DbcAP50ryFW7GldIs Ari trolling or is this something new? From Nikolas Nesteroff ig.

Something is different because the current frame has the shock mounted to the middle of the downtube in a horizontal alignment.


The picture shown has to have a vertical alignment.


 

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7/25/2025 8:48am

Ari crab link. But if just doing another crab link no reason to hide it with a diaper other than to try and build hype.

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