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frameworks production DH frame video

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Apologies if I missed it (I’ve only consumed about 800 of the 846 pages in this forum while I shoulda been working or parenting) but is...

Apologies if I missed it (I’ve only consumed about 800 of the 846 pages in this forum while I shoulda been working or parenting) but is the 38 imminently due for a release? 

Assuming it’ll have a a staggered announcement like all these others trickling out but haven’t seen much chatter about the 38. Burly single crowns are my jam. 

I vaguely recall some talk of a Fox USD fork a while back but not much else in the forums about a new 38 so wondering whether it’ll get a major overhaul or the same kind of incremental updates as the 36.

 

This information is on one of the 46 pages you haven't read yet. In all seriousness, I don't recall seeing any information regarding the 38... but I...

This information is on one of the 46 pages you haven't read yet. 

In all seriousness, I don't recall seeing any information regarding the 38... but I guess I could of missed it too. 

There was the redacted post about the new Enduro fork, but that could be the 39 and not the 38 based on what was confirmed in...

There was the redacted post about the new Enduro fork, but that could be the 39 and not the 38 based on what was confirmed in the post. 

 

New 38 is coming and it will be USD 

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3/31/2025 2:15pm
HBO is a nice "safety" feature - you can make a good shock without it so I'm not sure if its a deal breaker but I...

HBO is a nice "safety" feature - you can make a good shock without it so I'm not sure if its a deal breaker but I would definitely prefer HBO than externally adjustable High speed rebound. 

JVP wrote:
Keeps you from breaking frames from repeated bottoming. If I was an OEM I'd be interested in HBO to cut down on warranties, particularly on aluminum...

Keeps you from breaking frames from repeated bottoming. If I was an OEM I'd be interested in HBO to cut down on warranties, particularly on aluminum frames with lifetime warranty. 

Yup! One of the major problems with coil shocks on OE bikes is the majority of them get sold without changing the spring so the chances of excessive bottoming is way higher....anything to help reduce the damage is definitely a good thing

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3/31/2025 2:18pm
shreda wrote:

New 38 is coming and it will be USD 

Too good to be true 

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3/31/2025 2:21pm
Yup but energy and heat aren't the same thing - a small alloy bolt only needs a small amount of energy to raise its temperature while...

Yup but energy and heat aren't the same thing - a small alloy bolt only needs a small amount of energy to raise its temperature while a comparatively large shock needs far more energy to heat it to the same amount. Point a heat gun at a shock bolt for 5 seconds then pick it up - it will probably be too hot to handle, but do that to a shock and it will be barely any warmer than before, even though received the same amount energy (probably not quite because surface area but you get the point). 

I think the reason I mentioned it was with the Scott specifically I have worked on those bikes and found the fit of the bushings at the trunnion mount crazy tight so it was a possibility, unlike normal eyelets. Also heat is slow to be conducted across 2 different parts, so for it to be able to transfer the energy through the threads of the bolt and outside the frame would mean the shock is getting REALLY hot

Do temps of mountain bikes shocks really matter, when you can just tune it for a given temperature range? If you know during a DH run...

Do temps of mountain bikes shocks really matter, when you can just tune it for a given temperature range? If you know during a DH run your shock will be in the 40-55C range, just tune it for that range. Its not like thats outside the envelope of what suspension oil can handle. 

Anyways, ignore what I said above, I'm developing a new product thats a Graphene additive to your suspension fuild that makes it 28.99% more tempurature stable, which in real life testing improves your suspension performance by at least 1 place on the poduim, even if you're not racing and just out on a solo ride.  

Ohhh yeah good call....I'm pretty sure graphene is the solution for everything! 

 

But yeah you pretty much nailed it - shocks generally stabilise around a fairly small window so really when you do your tuning you are always adjusting for how it feels when its warm anyway. The biggest temperature effects come from the change in pressure in the air spring or reservoir (if it has a large shaft, eg DVO) which can be noticeable in certain situations though

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3/31/2025 2:22pm
shreda wrote:

New 38 is coming and it will be USD 

But it wont be this year.

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3/31/2025 2:40pm
Finkill wrote:
I thought I had posted this weeks ago, with what I think is a new 38, it could be the 36, but that bike seems more...

I thought I had posted this weeks ago, with what I think is a new 38, it could be the 36, but that bike seems more suited to a 38. 

Screenshot 2025-02-02-08-08-53-273

Neko said in the Jensons Fox 36 video that he was running the new 36 at 160mm instead of a 38 at 170mm and just lived with the axle to crown being 7mm shorter.

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3/31/2025 2:42pm
Finkill wrote:
I thought I had posted this weeks ago, with what I think is a new 38, it could be the 36, but that bike seems more...

I thought I had posted this weeks ago, with what I think is a new 38, it could be the 36, but that bike seems more suited to a 38. 

Screenshot 2025-02-02-08-08-53-273
Neko said in the Jensons Fox 36 video that he was running the new 36 at 160mm instead of a 38 at 170mm and just lived...

Neko said in the Jensons Fox 36 video that he was running the new 36 at 160mm instead of a 38 at 170mm and just lived with the axle to crown being 7mm shorter.

All mountain is so back it's actually so back all hail the 140-160mm trail bike!

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Finkill wrote:
I thought I had posted this weeks ago, with what I think is a new 38, it could be the 36, but that bike seems more...

I thought I had posted this weeks ago, with what I think is a new 38, it could be the 36, but that bike seems more suited to a 38. 

Screenshot 2025-02-02-08-08-53-273
Neko said in the Jensons Fox 36 video that he was running the new 36 at 160mm instead of a 38 at 170mm and just lived...

Neko said in the Jensons Fox 36 video that he was running the new 36 at 160mm instead of a 38 at 170mm and just lived with the axle to crown being 7mm shorter.

Good spot, wasn't sure it was a 38.

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3/31/2025 3:06pm

What if... the usd fork we keep rumourin' about it's actually the first 32" production fork (possibly an XC fork)? IIRC there was a photo some time ago of an Intend usd with a 32" wheel, most likely a modified 29" Samurai XC fork. 

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3/31/2025 3:49pm Edited Date/Time 3/31/2025 3:51pm
What if... the usd fork we keep rumourin' about it's actually the first 32" production fork (possibly an XC fork)? IIRC there was a photo some...

What if... the usd fork we keep rumourin' about it's actually the first 32" production fork (possibly an XC fork)? IIRC there was a photo some time ago of an Intend usd with a 32" wheel, most likely a modified 29" Samurai XC fork. 

I just feel like that would be one of the worst ways to introduce a new step into a companies portfolio and advancement. Making a possibly very advantageous fork and then proceed to gate keep it, behind a very big (literally) new wheel size standard that no one has really asked for. 

Who am I kidding? We are mountain bikers! We are very open minded to new ideas and changes.

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3/31/2025 3:58pm
Nobble wrote:

Anyone else feel like no HBO is a huge miss?


After spending some time on it, it’s basically a mandatory feature for me now.

Now that I've had it, I wouldn't want to go back. It's been a luxury to run a 50lb lighter spring while also virtually eliminating bottom outs and end of travel harshness. Went from a DHX at 400lbs to a SDLX at 350 fwiw.

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3/31/2025 4:35pm
Now that I've had it, I wouldn't want to go back. It's been a luxury to run a 50lb lighter spring while also virtually eliminating bottom...

Now that I've had it, I wouldn't want to go back. It's been a luxury to run a 50lb lighter spring while also virtually eliminating bottom outs and end of travel harshness. Went from a DHX at 400lbs to a SDLX at 350 fwiw.

+1, HBO or NO

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3/31/2025 4:46pm Edited Date/Time 3/31/2025 4:47pm

My Vivid has HBO but no matter the settings,  nor how big the huck to flat that almost explode my ankles, the last 5mm is complete unobtainium. 

I wouldn't think its the HBO, but I can hit the same spot at 29% sag and 40% sag plus max to least compression set. HBO also set to max and min too.

A SDU without HBO and a X2 could use all 65mm stroke though, so the only thing I can guess is it's the HBO.

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Sorry about the potato shot screen grabs! Loics new specialized shock position seems a lot higher apart from that Ill leave it up to the masses 

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FaahkEet wrote:
My Vivid has HBO but no matter the settings,  nor how big the huck to flat that almost explode my ankles, the last 5mm is complete...

My Vivid has HBO but no matter the settings,  nor how big the huck to flat that almost explode my ankles, the last 5mm is complete unobtainium. 

I wouldn't think its the HBO, but I can hit the same spot at 29% sag and 40% sag plus max to least compression set. HBO also set to max and min too.

A SDU without HBO and a X2 could use all 65mm stroke though, so the only thing I can guess is it's the HBO.

The o-ring will never go past last few mm of stanchion on a Vivid air.  The full stroke is still there though.  You can verify by letting all the air out and removing the valve core.  Same thing happens on forks, but on some of them there's a line showing what max travel is.

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3/31/2025 5:51pm
peecee wrote:
Sorry about the potato shot screen grabs! Loics new specialized shock position seems a lot higher apart from that Ill leave it up to the masses 

Sorry about the potato shot screen grabs! Loics new specialized shock position seems a lot higher apart from that Ill leave it up to the masses 

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Higher shock and that chainline...

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chriskief wrote:
Higher shock and that chainline...

Higher shock and that chainline...

IMG 2137.jpeg?VersionId=VovARUxgJ BuAc1vfbIT8qqeNtaQYEY

forgot about this pic 🤦‍♂️

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Finkill wrote:
I thought I had posted this weeks ago, with what I think is a new 38, it could be the 36, but that bike seems more...

I thought I had posted this weeks ago, with what I think is a new 38, it could be the 36, but that bike seems more suited to a 38. 

Screenshot 2025-02-02-08-08-53-273
jonkranked wrote:
good eyes.  has the cutout arch ala the 34/36 SL.  wonder what's going on with the dongle on the bottom of the drive side lowers?  reminds...

good eyes.  has the cutout arch ala the 34/36 SL.  wonder what's going on with the dongle on the bottom of the drive side lowers?  reminds me of the 40 penis from early days of that fork 

Looks like the standard protective cap that all GRIP2/X2 dampers have

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3/31/2025 7:33pm
Finkill wrote:
I thought I had posted this weeks ago, with what I think is a new 38, it could be the 36, but that bike seems more...

I thought I had posted this weeks ago, with what I think is a new 38, it could be the 36, but that bike seems more suited to a 38. 

Screenshot 2025-02-02-08-08-53-273
jonkranked wrote:
good eyes.  has the cutout arch ala the 34/36 SL.  wonder what's going on with the dongle on the bottom of the drive side lowers?  reminds...

good eyes.  has the cutout arch ala the 34/36 SL.  wonder what's going on with the dongle on the bottom of the drive side lowers?  reminds me of the 40 penis from early days of that fork 

boozed wrote:

Looks like the standard protective cap that all GRIP2/X2 dampers have

Maybe the angle just makes it look bigger 

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3/31/2025 8:03pm
jonkranked wrote:
good eyes.  has the cutout arch ala the 34/36 SL.  wonder what's going on with the dongle on the bottom of the drive side lowers?  reminds...

good eyes.  has the cutout arch ala the 34/36 SL.  wonder what's going on with the dongle on the bottom of the drive side lowers?  reminds me of the 40 penis from early days of that fork 

boozed wrote:

Looks like the standard protective cap that all GRIP2/X2 dampers have

jonkranked wrote:

Maybe the angle just makes it look bigger 

That’s what she said 

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3/31/2025 10:49pm
Finkill wrote:
I thought I had posted this weeks ago, with what I think is a new 38, it could be the 36, but that bike seems more...

I thought I had posted this weeks ago, with what I think is a new 38, it could be the 36, but that bike seems more suited to a 38. 

Screenshot 2025-02-02-08-08-53-273
Neko said in the Jensons Fox 36 video that he was running the new 36 at 160mm instead of a 38 at 170mm and just lived...

Neko said in the Jensons Fox 36 video that he was running the new 36 at 160mm instead of a 38 at 170mm and just lived with the axle to crown being 7mm shorter.

7 or 17 mm? Lyrik has a shorter ATC at the same travel than the ZEB. Using a shorter travel fork is a double whammy ATC wise. I'd imagine it's the same with the 36 and 38... 

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3/31/2025 10:51pm
peecee wrote:
Sorry about the potato shot screen grabs! Loics new specialized shock position seems a lot higher apart from that Ill leave it up to the masses 

Sorry about the potato shot screen grabs! Loics new specialized shock position seems a lot higher apart from that Ill leave it up to the masses 

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chriskief wrote:
Higher shock and that chainline...

Higher shock and that chainline...

IMG 2137.jpeg?VersionId=VovARUxgJ BuAc1vfbIT8qqeNtaQYEY

Agreed, even the potato cam quality clearly shows the chain going above the cranks. It's the new high pivot proto. 

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4/1/2025 12:13am
Now that I've had it, I wouldn't want to go back. It's been a luxury to run a 50lb lighter spring while also virtually eliminating bottom...

Now that I've had it, I wouldn't want to go back. It's been a luxury to run a 50lb lighter spring while also virtually eliminating bottom outs and end of travel harshness. Went from a DHX at 400lbs to a SDLX at 350 fwiw.

I went from an off the shelf ( but correct ) tune on a RS super deluxe coil with hbo

To a push 11.6 custom tuned, gen 1 so without HBO

100% this handles everything better with a 25lbs lighter spring 

Even the rare bottom outs 

So I think it’s quality over features here

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4/1/2025 12:33am

Any idea what is coming from Yeti in 2 days? DH Bike, updated eBike…?

IMG 3546.jpeg?VersionId=HoCg4UxLc8PIwtjaVOACoxrPDHS

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manny.bike wrote:
Any idea what is coming from Yeti in 2 days? DH Bike, updated eBike…?

Any idea what is coming from Yeti in 2 days? DH Bike, updated eBike…?

IMG 3546.jpeg?VersionId=HoCg4UxLc8PIwtjaVOACoxrPDHS

$25,000 purple anodised everything ASR 

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4/1/2025 3:13am Edited Date/Time 4/1/2025 5:00am
Primoz wrote:
And without opening the article, I am sure Yamaha did not buy Brose. If anything, the ebike division/segment/technology. Brose is a multi billion dollar company, a tier...

And without opening the article, I am sure Yamaha did not buy Brose. If anything, the ebike division/segment/technology. 

Brose is a multi billion dollar company, a tier 1 supplier of the biggest automotive brands for all aspects of building a car, interior, exterior, powertrain, you name it.

Fun fact, the owner/heir/whatever is the guy who ordered the new Lancia Stratos made from a cut up Ferrari F430 and had a production run of 20 units planned until Ferrari said no to cutting up their cars.

That's the playing field of Brose. And I bet 90 % of people pronounce the name of the company wrong. Hint, it's not Bros 😉

confirmation in the media that Yamaha have purchased the Brose ebike division 

confirmation in the media that Yamaha have purchased the Brose ebike division 

Yamaha, now makes

Pianos, motorcycles, ebike motors, electronics, and tunes engines for Auto manufacturers. That's certainly diversified manufacturing. 

 

Edited to add, Guitars and boat motors.

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4/1/2025 3:21am

Don’t forget guitars

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4/1/2025 3:52am
peecee wrote:
Sorry about the potato shot screen grabs! Loics new specialized shock position seems a lot higher apart from that Ill leave it up to the masses 

Sorry about the potato shot screen grabs! Loics new specialized shock position seems a lot higher apart from that Ill leave it up to the masses 

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He said on insta that he can't wait to get on the real version of the bike. I'm assuming this is much closer to the production version than the lug and tube one he's been riding for a while 

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4/1/2025 4:21am

Don’t forget guitars

I also forgot boat motors.

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