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Fred_Pop wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/enrouelibrepodcast/p/DDoU0UlORWf/?img_index=1New components brand coming out tomorrow made by some great riders.

https://www.instagram.com/enrouelibrepodcast/p/DDoU0UlORWf/?img_index=1

New components brand coming out tomorrow made by some great riders.

shreda wrote:
Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems...

Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.

Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems, grips, saddles and street trials tires. Also looks like there will be a new Minnaar signature grip called the Bamba according to Probikeshop insta.

Could this be a brand started by Probikeshop and am I the only one that thinks the branding looks like it‘s at least 10 years past its prime? 

 

What's going to happen to the burgtec signature grip then?

What's so impressive about Burgtec? They're nothing but a name. Quality is average at best.

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I <3 Bamba

Osem Bamba Peanut Snack | Ocado

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12/27/2024 9:58pm
Fred_Pop wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/enrouelibrepodcast/p/DDoU0UlORWf/?img_index=1New components brand coming out tomorrow made by some great riders.

https://www.instagram.com/enrouelibrepodcast/p/DDoU0UlORWf/?img_index=1

New components brand coming out tomorrow made by some great riders.

shreda wrote:
Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems...

Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.

Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems, grips, saddles and street trials tires. Also looks like there will be a new Minnaar signature grip called the Bamba according to Probikeshop insta.

Could this be a brand started by Probikeshop and am I the only one that thinks the branding looks like it‘s at least 10 years past its prime? 

 

What's going to happen to the burgtec signature grip then?

A boy can have more than one grip design he likes.

Burgtec could spin it like "when the old man was fast he used these."

I have no idea how this will all shake out and I have no knowledge of this situation at all. I have a little knowledge of how these things sometimes work out in the music/musician/musical gear world and I can imagine the endorsement/sponsorship contract stuff is similar.

I'm sure the intellectual property of the design lay with Burgtec and they (Burgtec and Minnaar) had some sort of licensing/use of his name and likeness/endorsement deal. That deal probably has a stipulation around timeframe and/or if sponsorship changes. If I were a betting man, I'd bet Burgtec will rename the grips and keep 'em in the line OR keep the name the same and stop referring to them as "Bartender Pro Greg Minnaar Signature Grip." In fact, they already have a Bartender grip (at a 30mm diameter compared to the Bartender Pro GM Signature 31.5mm diameter). I'd bet we'll see something like a "Fat Bartender Grip" with 31.5mm diameter...or maybe their deal allows for the product to exist in perpetuity no matter Greg's future sponsorship status.

If Burgtec wanted to be sorta snarky about it, they'd release identical grips called "GOAT Grips" or something like that. I'd buy 'em just because that's petty as hell and I have their stem on one of my bikes.

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12/28/2024 12:14am
slimshady wrote:

What's so impressive about Burgtec? They're nothing but a name. Quality is average at best.

They make bars in the sweep and rise that I like, but more importantly, they make a Greg Minaar signature grip. 

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12/28/2024 1:54am
Fred_Pop wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/enrouelibrepodcast/p/DDoU0UlORWf/?img_index=1New components brand coming out tomorrow made by some great riders.

https://www.instagram.com/enrouelibrepodcast/p/DDoU0UlORWf/?img_index=1

New components brand coming out tomorrow made by some great riders.

shreda wrote:
Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems...

Curious what this will be about… It‘s not made by these riders but they are sponsored by them.

Cast seems like they will be offering handlebars, stems, grips, saddles and street trials tires. Also looks like there will be a new Minnaar signature grip called the Bamba according to Probikeshop insta.

Could this be a brand started by Probikeshop and am I the only one that thinks the branding looks like it‘s at least 10 years past its prime? 

 

They seem to have a proto CAST DH tyre made by Pirelli as well.

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12/28/2024 4:53am
Fred_Pop wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/enrouelibrepodcast/p/DDoU0UlORWf/?img_index=1New components brand coming out tomorrow made by some great riders.

https://www.instagram.com/enrouelibrepodcast/p/DDoU0UlORWf/?img_index=1

New components brand coming out tomorrow made by some great riders.

failing to adress an international audience doesn't look like they are oriented for success

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12/28/2024 5:22am
Fred_Pop wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/enrouelibrepodcast/p/DDoU0UlORWf/?img_index=1New components brand coming out tomorrow made by some great riders.

https://www.instagram.com/enrouelibrepodcast/p/DDoU0UlORWf/?img_index=1

New components brand coming out tomorrow made by some great riders.

sethimus wrote:

failing to adress an international audience doesn't look like they are oriented for success

That's a French podcast profile, not the company profile. 

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12/28/2024 5:54am
Fred_Pop wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/enrouelibrepodcast/p/DDoU0UlORWf/?img_index=1New components brand coming out tomorrow made by some great riders.

https://www.instagram.com/enrouelibrepodcast/p/DDoU0UlORWf/?img_index=1

New components brand coming out tomorrow made by some great riders.

Ah, yes, I’ve been concerned there aren’t enough choices in the stem category. 

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12/28/2024 7:08am

Something seems very fishy around Cast. I can't tell you what yet, but I would bet money on it.

I'm expecting a bunch of half baked ideas and quarter baked forced marketing (Mous case anyone?) before they drop off the map while Tarek laughs all the way to the bank.

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12/28/2024 5:38pm

can’t spot any shifter cable. Could this finally be wireless shimano out in the wild?
 

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12/28/2024 5:50pm

I've heard April would be a good time to expect some new Shimano stuff

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12/28/2024 9:59pm
segamethod wrote:

I've heard April would be a good time to expect some new Shimano stuff

April Showers bring DI2 flowers

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12/29/2024 1:13am
Trocko wrote:
can’t spot any shifter cable. Could this finally be wireless shimano out in the wild? 

can’t spot any shifter cable. Could this finally be wireless shimano out in the wild?
 

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Its an ebike, looks like XT linkglide to me, black cassette and all

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12/29/2024 11:43am
Trocko wrote:
can’t spot any shifter cable. Could this finally be wireless shimano out in the wild? 

can’t spot any shifter cable. Could this finally be wireless shimano out in the wild?
 

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Shimano di2 12 speed has been available for ep801 bikes for about a year now. Tho there is a non e bike di2 drivetrain coming down the pipeline soon, allegedly. 

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12/29/2024 4:33pm
segamethod wrote:

I've heard April would be a good time to expect some new Shimano stuff

April of which year? 2025, 2026, ? Wink

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12/29/2024 4:58pm
segamethod wrote:

I've heard April would be a good time to expect some new Shimano stuff

April of which year? 2025, 2026, ? Wink

I heard June 24

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12/30/2024 12:16pm
Is it hard? I think one account that does lurk here could answer that. That would be @CascadeComponents . Id love to see input on this...

Is it hard? I think one account that does lurk here could answer that. That would be @CascadeComponents . Id love to see input on this. I dont know why mountain bike stems are so expensive when everyone seems to be making them. Its a dumb “I need everything matching” kind of product. But if everyone is producing brakes and the market has a lot of genuinely decent competitors and hopefully parts that are standardized, Id love that. Hopefully they would maybe be less expensive with a market that is becoming more saturated and competitive. But honestly Im kind of laughing at my self while typing this because Im just thinking about the stem market. Because it seems that will never change. 

Looks like I'm late to the party since I've been on vacation. Brakes are definitely not easy. Between custom seals, custom tools, and some necessary knowledge that isn't widespread, good brakes take a lot. I would say they are either third or fourth most difficult thing on a bike behind the frame itself, the fork/shock, and, depending on specific design, the dropper. Some droppers are pretty simple, though. Frames are only on that list because doing a full blown production run requires tons of testing and the tooling is more complex. Brakes definitely are not something that anyone with a mill could up and make and have work well... or even work.

Stems are like T shirts. Sometimes people really want T shirts and I can't make T shirts. At that point, it might as well be an amusing T shirt. They either do what they are supposed to do or they don't and they are either light or heavy. Not much to else going on. There are plenty of other bike parts like that such as seat post clamps, cranks, and bottom brackets (unless your name is Hambini) that fall into the T shirt category. 

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12/30/2024 12:24pm
Is it hard? I think one account that does lurk here could answer that. That would be @CascadeComponents . Id love to see input on this...

Is it hard? I think one account that does lurk here could answer that. That would be @CascadeComponents . Id love to see input on this. I dont know why mountain bike stems are so expensive when everyone seems to be making them. Its a dumb “I need everything matching” kind of product. But if everyone is producing brakes and the market has a lot of genuinely decent competitors and hopefully parts that are standardized, Id love that. Hopefully they would maybe be less expensive with a market that is becoming more saturated and competitive. But honestly Im kind of laughing at my self while typing this because Im just thinking about the stem market. Because it seems that will never change. 

Looks like I'm late to the party since I've been on vacation. Brakes are definitely not easy. Between custom seals, custom tools, and some necessary knowledge...

Looks like I'm late to the party since I've been on vacation. Brakes are definitely not easy. Between custom seals, custom tools, and some necessary knowledge that isn't widespread, good brakes take a lot. I would say they are either third or fourth most difficult thing on a bike behind the frame itself, the fork/shock, and, depending on specific design, the dropper. Some droppers are pretty simple, though. Frames are only on that list because doing a full blown production run requires tons of testing and the tooling is more complex. Brakes definitely are not something that anyone with a mill could up and make and have work well... or even work.

Stems are like T shirts. Sometimes people really want T shirts and I can't make T shirts. At that point, it might as well be an amusing T shirt. They either do what they are supposed to do or they don't and they are either light or heavy. Not much to else going on. There are plenty of other bike parts like that such as seat post clamps, cranks, and bottom brackets (unless your name is Hambini) that fall into the T shirt category. 

I appreciate that insight 😁

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Is it hard? I think one account that does lurk here could answer that. That would be @CascadeComponents . Id love to see input on this...

Is it hard? I think one account that does lurk here could answer that. That would be @CascadeComponents . Id love to see input on this. I dont know why mountain bike stems are so expensive when everyone seems to be making them. Its a dumb “I need everything matching” kind of product. But if everyone is producing brakes and the market has a lot of genuinely decent competitors and hopefully parts that are standardized, Id love that. Hopefully they would maybe be less expensive with a market that is becoming more saturated and competitive. But honestly Im kind of laughing at my self while typing this because Im just thinking about the stem market. Because it seems that will never change. 

Looks like I'm late to the party since I've been on vacation. Brakes are definitely not easy. Between custom seals, custom tools, and some necessary knowledge...

Looks like I'm late to the party since I've been on vacation. Brakes are definitely not easy. Between custom seals, custom tools, and some necessary knowledge that isn't widespread, good brakes take a lot. I would say they are either third or fourth most difficult thing on a bike behind the frame itself, the fork/shock, and, depending on specific design, the dropper. Some droppers are pretty simple, though. Frames are only on that list because doing a full blown production run requires tons of testing and the tooling is more complex. Brakes definitely are not something that anyone with a mill could up and make and have work well... or even work.

Stems are like T shirts. Sometimes people really want T shirts and I can't make T shirts. At that point, it might as well be an amusing T shirt. They either do what they are supposed to do or they don't and they are either light or heavy. Not much to else going on. There are plenty of other bike parts like that such as seat post clamps, cranks, and bottom brackets (unless your name is Hambini) that fall into the T shirt category. 

I was chasing a creak on my bike for ages, finally took a real good look at the stem, and the wear pattern on the h-bar clamp.  Im a big Transition bike fan, but that stem that came on my Spire....Hot Garbage.  Left a weird wear pattern on the h-bar as well, so both have been binned in favour of something else.

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So brakes, rims, your cable ends, as far as complexity I wanted to bring some perspective. I’m an engineer and have worked in consumer goods manufacturing my whole adult life;  “Simple” stuff you use every day at home. Most anything is easy to design in the grand scheme of things. 

Manufacturing anything on the other hand is hard. Everything you use everyday, I guarantee you is 100x more difficult and complex to produce then you can imagine. Some of these simple assemblies we ride probably meant a team of people worked months and beat their head on a wall to figure out how to get them made in bulk. 

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12/31/2024 12:53am
Cougar797 wrote:
So brakes, rims, your cable ends, as far as complexity I wanted to bring some perspective. I’m an engineer and have worked in consumer goods manufacturing...

So brakes, rims, your cable ends, as far as complexity I wanted to bring some perspective. I’m an engineer and have worked in consumer goods manufacturing my whole adult life;  “Simple” stuff you use every day at home. Most anything is easy to design in the grand scheme of things. 

Manufacturing anything on the other hand is hard. Everything you use everyday, I guarantee you is 100x more difficult and complex to produce then you can imagine. Some of these simple assemblies we ride probably meant a team of people worked months and beat their head on a wall to figure out how to get them made in bulk. 

This is very much my lesson of this month. 

I'm trying to fashion up a minor tweak on a bike, and it turns out solving the problem including prototypes and all is just fun tinkering, but then you think about scaling it up and not costing an arm and a leg, or even without considering cost just adding too much complexity. It's an interesting constraint to work with!

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12/31/2024 1:44am
Cougar797 wrote:
So brakes, rims, your cable ends, as far as complexity I wanted to bring some perspective. I’m an engineer and have worked in consumer goods manufacturing...

So brakes, rims, your cable ends, as far as complexity I wanted to bring some perspective. I’m an engineer and have worked in consumer goods manufacturing my whole adult life;  “Simple” stuff you use every day at home. Most anything is easy to design in the grand scheme of things. 

Manufacturing anything on the other hand is hard. Everything you use everyday, I guarantee you is 100x more difficult and complex to produce then you can imagine. Some of these simple assemblies we ride probably meant a team of people worked months and beat their head on a wall to figure out how to get them made in bulk. 

Anyone who follows Ministry bikes on insta will testify to the tribulations in trying to bring an idea to market as a small operation.

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12/31/2024 10:08am
Cougar797 wrote:
So brakes, rims, your cable ends, as far as complexity I wanted to bring some perspective. I’m an engineer and have worked in consumer goods manufacturing...

So brakes, rims, your cable ends, as far as complexity I wanted to bring some perspective. I’m an engineer and have worked in consumer goods manufacturing my whole adult life;  “Simple” stuff you use every day at home. Most anything is easy to design in the grand scheme of things. 

Manufacturing anything on the other hand is hard. Everything you use everyday, I guarantee you is 100x more difficult and complex to produce then you can imagine. Some of these simple assemblies we ride probably meant a team of people worked months and beat their head on a wall to figure out how to get them made in bulk. 

gibbon wrote:

Anyone who follows Ministry bikes on insta will testify to the tribulations in trying to bring an idea to market as a small operation.

Live that guy. He has very few problems with designing a prototype and testing it. His main holdup is the added complexity of getting a sellable batch made. It's why he's stuck with small CNC machining.

 Also saw his Psalm 150 on display at the EXT tent at sea otter. It's a little bit of aluminum art. 

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1/1/2025 7:32pm
Onawalk wrote:
owl-x wrote:

$49 bearings will save us

$49 is seems like a bit much, especially considering only a 2 year warranty period. Don't know about most people but my standard bearings last me 2 seasons with 1-2 regreases and they cost about a quarter of those. Maybe for $30 they'd make sense for people in certain climates but I can't see them selling too many of these. To be fair, I'm not against more options and this is a solid product for a niche of the industry.

 

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Didn’t cane creek try out the skf version of these and drop them after a heap of issues 4 or 5 years ago? I might be wrong though 

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