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matmattmatthew
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3/21/2023 8:17am
 Sram did an oopsie and has this image up on their website highlighting the new XXSL drivetrain with Level ULT Stealth brakes 

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 Sram did an oopsie and has this image up on their website highlighting the new XXSL drivetrain with Level ULT Stealth brakes 

Curious if that is the Epic or a totally new model.  Only reason I think it might be a completely new model is that I'm not sure if that new frame/suspension design would translate to the Epic Evo.  I could see Spesh making this a strictly "XC race" frame and making the Epic/Epic Evo a dedicated "Downcountry" platform. 

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3/21/2023 8:55am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2023 8:59am
 Sram did an oopsie and has this image up on their website highlighting the new XXSL drivetrain with Level ULT Stealth brakes 

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 Sram did an oopsie and has this image up on their website highlighting the new XXSL drivetrain with Level ULT Stealth brakes 

Curious if that is the Epic or a totally new model.  Only reason I think it might be a completely new model is that I'm not...

Curious if that is the Epic or a totally new model.  Only reason I think it might be a completely new model is that I'm not sure if that new frame/suspension design would translate to the Epic Evo.  I could see Spesh making this a strictly "XC race" frame and making the Epic/Epic Evo a dedicated "Downcountry" platform. 

they might be going for a model to run alongside the Evo since the evo is what they have been racing at the cape epic. This could be an epic HT replacement. Sounds like trek is getting a longer travel xc bike for their riders soon --- haley batten was racing it and she usually sticks with the HT than full sus

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3/21/2023 9:05am
 Sram did an oopsie and has this image up on their website highlighting the new XXSL drivetrain with Level ULT Stealth brakes 

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 Sram did an oopsie and has this image up on their website highlighting the new XXSL drivetrain with Level ULT Stealth brakes 

That is an incredibly long shock body relative to the the stanchion, maybe the new brain system in housed in there

3/21/2023 9:05am

this model is mostly supposed to replace the "regular" epic, it has a bit less travel and is more xc race oriented. Epic Evo will stay pretty much the same for the next year except some small refinements

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this model is mostly supposed to replace the "regular" epic, it has a bit less travel and is more xc race oriented. Epic Evo will stay...

this model is mostly supposed to replace the "regular" epic, it has a bit less travel and is more xc race oriented. Epic Evo will stay pretty much the same for the next year except some small refinements

I'm curious what the refinements to the Epic Evo would be, if they added 10mm of travel, 20 mm of reach, and a SWAT box it would be my dream bike.  

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3/21/2023 9:13am
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Chainline for all seems 55mm

I don't remember which article it was in, but one of them stated that this 'effectively eliminates the need for Super Boost'... I'm curious to see what happens with that and if the companies with Super Boost bikes feel the same. 

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3/21/2023 9:22am
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Intend will be releasing their brake system on Friday! YEAH! (Too bad I just ordered a pair of Direttissimas when they got in stock at Bike24...)...

Intend will be releasing their brake system on Friday! YEAH! (Too bad I just ordered a pair of Direttissimas when they got in stock at Bike24...)

 

 

Any updates on the new intend brake system?
It seems like the announcement countdown on youtube was a non-starter.
 

3/21/2023 10:05am
I'm curious what the refinements to the Epic Evo would be, if they added 10mm of travel, 20 mm of reach, and a SWAT box it...

I'm curious what the refinements to the Epic Evo would be, if they added 10mm of travel, 20 mm of reach, and a SWAT box it would be my dream bike.  

I just got the 2023 model, which does not have those updates. We can expect headset cable routing, read somewhere a wee bit more travel up front and probably slightly updated geo with storage. 

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3/21/2023 10:07am

Seen in the video released today by Santa Cruz, perhaps the final design and official color of new V10?

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matmattmatthew
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3/21/2023 10:12am
I'm curious what the refinements to the Epic Evo would be, if they added 10mm of travel, 20 mm of reach, and a SWAT box it...

I'm curious what the refinements to the Epic Evo would be, if they added 10mm of travel, 20 mm of reach, and a SWAT box it would be my dream bike.  

I just got the 2023 model, which does not have those updates. We can expect headset cable routing, read somewhere a wee bit more travel up...

I just got the 2023 model, which does not have those updates. We can expect headset cable routing, read somewhere a wee bit more travel up front and probably slightly updated geo with storage. 

Thanks. Sounds like I should hold off and see what they release.  

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3/21/2023 10:39am
 New Neuron on Quinney's profile. Seems the only real difference is headset cable routing. Chew my fat one Canyon.

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 New Neuron on Quinney's profile. Seems the only real difference is headset cable routing. Chew my fat one Canyon.

geometry, lighter frame, chain device, frame protection, pivot hardware updates, cable routing, and "the wallet." That's a decent amount of change even though it doesn't really...

geometry, lighter frame, chain device, frame protection, pivot hardware updates, cable routing, and "the wallet."

That's a decent amount of change even though it doesn't really look like it visually. Call it whatever you want, evolution, refinement. It's not just the same bike with headset routing. Did you want a whole new suspension layout?
 

"Seems".

I didn't have the article to go on when I found the photos. Put some ice on that chubby.

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3/21/2023 10:48am
turn.mtb wrote:

Any updates on the new intend brake system?
It seems like the announcement countdown on youtube was a non-starter.
 

Can't see anything showing up from there just yet. Seeing it is Release Tuesday* today, it seems logical to wait a while.

*Releases today include:

- Canyon Neuron

- SRAM Transmission

- SRAM Code-levers

- Level 4-pot

- Cane Creek Wings

- Guerilla Gravity bike lineup

- TRP Evo drivetrains..

 

Phew

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3/21/2023 1:46pm

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 Another look at the new Epic from Srams video about the new transmissions.

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3/21/2023 1:51pm

Now with all this new SRAM transmission news, I think the real news for most of us that don't want to buy the XO or XX versions, is when are they releasing the GX version?!

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3/21/2023 2:04pm Edited Date/Time 3/21/2023 2:06pm

unbreakable they say..... hold my beer.

How come some days it seems like there is no new releases, then all these companies drop their gear on the same day. Say for instance the TRP driveline, holy shit release it last week or something. Now all you see on all the outlets is "the eagle has landed" etc etc, just bad timing and a probably great product has it's thunder stolen by a GigaCorp with much more to spend on marketing.

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3/21/2023 2:15pm Edited Date/Time 3/21/2023 2:16pm
brash wrote:
unbreakable they say..... hold my beer. How come some days it seems like there is no new releases, then all these companies drop their gear on...

unbreakable they say..... hold my beer.

How come some days it seems like there is no new releases, then all these companies drop their gear on the same day. Say for instance the TRP driveline, holy shit release it last week or something. Now all you see on all the outlets is "the eagle has landed" etc etc, just bad timing and a probably great product has it's thunder stolen by a GigaCorp with much more to spend on marketing.

Good chance SRAM knew when Trp was dropping and scheduled for same date to bury it in the news

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3/21/2023 2:16pm

To be honest I noticed the TRP stuff much more than if it was released a week ago. A week ago it would have been 'nice, I wonder what Sram will put out'. Now it's like 'TF is Sram smoking with these prices and features, TRP looks like an utter win compared to this'.

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3/21/2023 2:18pm
JerseyMojo wrote:
Are TLD working on a Dropframe equivalent? On Kyle Straits instagram..   

Are TLD working on a Dropframe equivalent? On Kyle Straits instagram.. 37C83A31-9D09-4E04-B908-D0BBF25FD05C

 

Another shot

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BrambleLee
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3/21/2023 2:20pm
I'm curious what the refinements to the Epic Evo would be, if they added 10mm of travel, 20 mm of reach, and a SWAT box it...

I'm curious what the refinements to the Epic Evo would be, if they added 10mm of travel, 20 mm of reach, and a SWAT box it would be my dream bike.  

So like, a Stumpjumper?

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Finkill
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3/21/2023 2:33pm

The SRAM XX SL chain is £160 in the UK. That is a LOT of money for a chain and a lot more than existing 12-speed chains. For £160 I would want a self cleaning/lubricating chain. 

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3/21/2023 2:50pm

I was thinking that now would be a good time to change out to the GX axs considering the events of the day. However, GX is still expensive! $600 for basically a shifter and a rear d. is way more then l want to spend. 

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3/21/2023 3:01pm Edited Date/Time 3/21/2023 3:01pm
Finkill wrote:
The SRAM XX SL chain is £160 in the UK. That is a LOT of money for a chain and a lot more than existing 12-speed...

The SRAM XX SL chain is £160 in the UK. That is a LOT of money for a chain and a lot more than existing 12-speed chains. For £160 I would want a self cleaning/lubricating chain. 

How is it almost 3x the cost of a Red 12sp flat top chain?!?!?

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3/21/2023 3:06pm
Another shot  

Another shot

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Bring back fins!!!!

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When AXS first launched in 2019, the groupset pricing was $1900 for X01 and $2k for XX1. And look, it's a lot of money, no two ways around it. But coming in at $1600 and $2050 with the new stuff, with the way prices have gone up for just about everything over the intervening period is pretty impressive.

I'm not in the market, I'm very happy with what I'm currently on (mostly Shimano), and I don't really do upgrades anyway. Buy once cry once, you know? But if I were building up a new bike, this stuff would be hard to ignore.

 

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3/21/2023 3:32pm Edited Date/Time 3/21/2023 3:35pm

I see alot of discussion about high pricing on Sram, but is there anyone here not buying Sram from German websites ?

Much much cheaper than Msrp

I believe pricing for the new stuff will be a bit expensive now when it's new and all but will come down once the hype ends.

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3/21/2023 3:42pm
gbcoke wrote:
I see alot of discussion about high pricing on Sram, but is there anyone here not buying Sram from German websites ? Much much cheaper than...

I see alot of discussion about high pricing on Sram, but is there anyone here not buying Sram from German websites ?

Much much cheaper than Msrp

I believe pricing for the new stuff will be a bit expensive now when it's new and all but will come down once the hype ends.

Excuse my ignorance but do they ship to the states and is the shipping outrageous? 

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3/21/2023 3:48pm
gbcoke wrote:
I see alot of discussion about high pricing on Sram, but is there anyone here not buying Sram from German websites ? Much much cheaper than...

I see alot of discussion about high pricing on Sram, but is there anyone here not buying Sram from German websites ?

Much much cheaper than Msrp

I believe pricing for the new stuff will be a bit expensive now when it's new and all but will come down once the hype ends.

You can not buy anything of German sites made by big players like Shimano, Sram, Fox..

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