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I will never understand the “it’s a whole separate sport” thing. I ride my ebike exactly like my analog bike just do more laps. Literally every...

I will never understand the “it’s a whole separate sport” thing. I ride my ebike exactly like my analog bike just do more laps. Literally every other person I know with an ebike does the same and is not going out and climbing up downhill trails in boost. I see plenty of e-bikes on the lift at the bike park being ridden like analog bikes. 

The innovation is happening in the motor and battery because the “bike part” of the tech has plateaued. Amflow proved this by making a decent riding bike out of thin air.

I think that's sort of the point, the only metric anyone cares about is the motor. The essence of riding an eBike is what the motor...

I think that's sort of the point, the only metric anyone cares about is the motor. The essence of riding an eBike is what the motor gives you. The rest of the "bike" part takes a back seat. And no one seems to care, even though the slippery slope foreboding was waved away as an irrational fear

I ride nx/gx, select+ suspension, and nothing electronic. My bike rips on descents. If I was in the market for an eeb I wouldn’t have any...

I ride nx/gx, select+ suspension, and nothing electronic. My bike rips on descents. If I was in the market for an eeb I wouldn’t have any questions about the “bike” portion, as I have all of that figured out already. I don’t need better clickers, and def wouldnt worry about them on a eeb. 

What sets eebs apart from each other and analog bikes is… the motor and battery. Heck, a lot of what makes brands different from each other is already implied in the eeb, so you don’t really have to explicitly sell that it’s a *santa Cruz eeb” or a “forbidden eeb.” Forbidden riders just want a forbidden eeb and from there they look at the motor and battery specs to see if that bike suits their wants and needs. 

I've been wondering this for some time, but what is the abbreviation "eeb" supposed to mean? 

I get that it's shorthand for e-bike, but what does the acronym (or initialism or what ever other form of abbreviation it may be) actually stand for?

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I think that's sort of the point, the only metric anyone cares about is the motor. The essence of riding an eBike is what the motor...

I think that's sort of the point, the only metric anyone cares about is the motor. The essence of riding an eBike is what the motor gives you. The rest of the "bike" part takes a back seat. And no one seems to care, even though the slippery slope foreboding was waved away as an irrational fear

I ride nx/gx, select+ suspension, and nothing electronic. My bike rips on descents. If I was in the market for an eeb I wouldn’t have any...

I ride nx/gx, select+ suspension, and nothing electronic. My bike rips on descents. If I was in the market for an eeb I wouldn’t have any questions about the “bike” portion, as I have all of that figured out already. I don’t need better clickers, and def wouldnt worry about them on a eeb. 

What sets eebs apart from each other and analog bikes is… the motor and battery. Heck, a lot of what makes brands different from each other is already implied in the eeb, so you don’t really have to explicitly sell that it’s a *santa Cruz eeb” or a “forbidden eeb.” Forbidden riders just want a forbidden eeb and from there they look at the motor and battery specs to see if that bike suits their wants and needs. 

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I've been wondering this for some time, but what is the abbreviation "eeb" supposed to mean? I get that it's shorthand for e-bike, but what does the...

I've been wondering this for some time, but what is the abbreviation "eeb" supposed to mean? 

I get that it's shorthand for e-bike, but what does the acronym (or initialism or what ever other form of abbreviation it may be) actually stand for?

I get that it's shorthand for e-bike

It means no more than this

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I ride nx/gx, select+ suspension, and nothing electronic. My bike rips on descents. If I was in the market for an eeb I wouldn’t have any...

I ride nx/gx, select+ suspension, and nothing electronic. My bike rips on descents. If I was in the market for an eeb I wouldn’t have any questions about the “bike” portion, as I have all of that figured out already. I don’t need better clickers, and def wouldnt worry about them on a eeb. 

What sets eebs apart from each other and analog bikes is… the motor and battery. Heck, a lot of what makes brands different from each other is already implied in the eeb, so you don’t really have to explicitly sell that it’s a *santa Cruz eeb” or a “forbidden eeb.” Forbidden riders just want a forbidden eeb and from there they look at the motor and battery specs to see if that bike suits their wants and needs. 

FullSend wrote:
I've been wondering this for some time, but what is the abbreviation "eeb" supposed to mean? I get that it's shorthand for e-bike, but what does the...

I've been wondering this for some time, but what is the abbreviation "eeb" supposed to mean? 

I get that it's shorthand for e-bike, but what does the acronym (or initialism or what ever other form of abbreviation it may be) actually stand for?

boozed wrote:

I get that it's shorthand for e-bike

It means no more than this

It's a weird contraction/initialism of "e-bike" (only works in English, and I associate it w/ UK English in particular).

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4/19/2026 7:30am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2026 7:31am
I will never understand the “it’s a whole separate sport” thing. I ride my ebike exactly like my analog bike just do more laps. Literally every...

I will never understand the “it’s a whole separate sport” thing. I ride my ebike exactly like my analog bike just do more laps. Literally every other person I know with an ebike does the same and is not going out and climbing up downhill trails in boost. I see plenty of e-bikes on the lift at the bike park being ridden like analog bikes. 

The innovation is happening in the motor and battery because the “bike part” of the tech has plateaued. Amflow proved this by making a decent riding bike out of thin air.

It may not be a "whole separate sport", but there sure is a "whole separate text thread" for the e-bike riders in my friend circle. Now we rarely have big group rides as the crew is split in two and it's a pain to ride laps with both bike types together. 

So I'd say its a "whole different discipline" of pedaling a rolling thing with your feet. 

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4/19/2026 7:34am
I also nearly said that, but then gave them the benefit of the doubt that a brand like Santa Cruz would have made clearance for (probably?)...

I also nearly said that, but then gave them the benefit of the doubt that a brand like Santa Cruz would have made clearance for (probably?) the most common enduro shock of the last decade on the Float X2

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yeah, could be tight, think the x2 air can is bigger than the spring... pretty sure someone will test it soon. best pic i could find...

yeah, could be tight, think the x2 air can is bigger than the spring... pretty sure someone will test it soon. best pic i could find of the tunnel:

Bildschirmfoto 2026-04-19 um 10.08.01

 

As a current gen Megatower owner that looks like the shock tunnel is even bigger. Im sure it fits the big air can shocks.

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4/19/2026 7:54am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2026 7:57am

This Just In! 
Stark Motorcycles is going to be joining the MTB world with its EBike Called the Stark “NotaMoto”. This ebike has 80 horse power and a gear box. Apparently they made the decision to join the bike industry after one of the executives said- “I mean its all bullshit. You can buy an ebike from Specialized at the same price as our motorcycles. But with like 1/1000th the power. We should just put mountain bike wheels on a Varg and just sell it to them. Theyre just in denial that they want a motorcycle and want to pose as a mountain biker.” 

Avinox refused to comment when asked about its thoughts of Starks motor capabilities. 

We asked Stark what they thought about regulations. Heres what they had to say “Were just ripping the bandaid off.”IMG 8323.png?VersionId=ZkkMKR5cBpxoSQkt

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2026 and you guys are still complaining about motors on bikes. Please find a different thread.

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Interested in getting people's takes on a thought experiment.  I'm a purchasing a new bike and I'm considering changing up my traditional geo and doing something new.   My current bikes all reside in the 450 reach, 435-440 chainstay, 1230'ish wheelbase, but before all the numbers were available I always bought a small.  I'm 5'6" 175lbs short legs long torso.  My new bike has optional chainstays, so I could go 450 reach, 440 chainstay, 1230'is wheelbase or I could go 430 reach with 455 chainstays and similar wheelbase.  I feel like I kinda ride from the back and shifting towards a more rear bias seems like it could translate well, but I don't have issues with my current bikes.   I'm curious if anybody has done the same and what were their experiences.

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w4s wrote:
Interested in getting people's takes on a thought experiment.  I'm a purchasing a new bike and I'm considering changing up my traditional geo and doing something...

Interested in getting people's takes on a thought experiment.  I'm a purchasing a new bike and I'm considering changing up my traditional geo and doing something new.   My current bikes all reside in the 450 reach, 435-440 chainstay, 1230'ish wheelbase, but before all the numbers were available I always bought a small.  I'm 5'6" 175lbs short legs long torso.  My new bike has optional chainstays, so I could go 450 reach, 440 chainstay, 1230'is wheelbase or I could go 430 reach with 455 chainstays and similar wheelbase.  I feel like I kinda ride from the back and shifting towards a more rear bias seems like it could translate well, but I don't have issues with my current bikes.   I'm curious if anybody has done the same and what were their experiences.

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w4s wrote:
Interested in getting people's takes on a thought experiment.  I'm a purchasing a new bike and I'm considering changing up my traditional geo and doing something...

Interested in getting people's takes on a thought experiment.  I'm a purchasing a new bike and I'm considering changing up my traditional geo and doing something new.   My current bikes all reside in the 450 reach, 435-440 chainstay, 1230'ish wheelbase, but before all the numbers were available I always bought a small.  I'm 5'6" 175lbs short legs long torso.  My new bike has optional chainstays, so I could go 450 reach, 440 chainstay, 1230'is wheelbase or I could go 430 reach with 455 chainstays and similar wheelbase.  I feel like I kinda ride from the back and shifting towards a more rear bias seems like it could translate well, but I don't have issues with my current bikes.   I'm curious if anybody has done the same and what were their experiences.

should have known, thanks for the link. 

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4/19/2026 11:52am

Thought experiment: Which ebike would you choose?

Two identical bikes - same frame size large, same price, and same spec aside from these conditions:

Bike A is Avinox M2S and 432mm chainstay.

Bike B is Bosch gen 4 and 445mm chainstay

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I'd buy neither as they're both compromised.  This is getting old BTW.

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Thought experiment: Which ebike would you choose?Two identical bikes - same frame size large, same price, and same spec aside from these conditions:Bike A is Avinox...

Thought experiment: Which ebike would you choose?

Two identical bikes - same frame size large, same price, and same spec aside from these conditions:

Bike A is Avinox M2S and 432mm chainstay.

Bike B is Bosch gen 4 and 445mm chainstay

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IMG 4003

God I wish my Sight was raw. Also its interesting that he is using a performance fox shock instead of a Marz something.

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God I wish my Sight was raw. Also its interesting that he is using a performance fox shock instead of a Marz something.

Might be a RAD shock. Those usually don’t have Kashima. 
Also, Marzocchi stickers on the fork, but that is not a production Zoke casting. 

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4/19/2026 3:17pm

Reece got something on the dorado going on. Legs swapped + addon on the lower leg.

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Either just mass damper or something like Bos did years ago?

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4/19/2026 6:31pm

God I wish my Sight was raw. Also its interesting that he is using a performance fox shock instead of a Marz something.

I thought Marzocchi was out and all the freeride guys are going Fox again. 

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Reece got something on the dorado going on. Legs swapped + addon on the lower leg.Either just mass damper or something like Bos did years ago?

Reece got something on the dorado going on. Legs swapped + addon on the lower leg.

IMG 1830 2IMG 1835 0.jpeg?VersionId=nunI1fqVRRA1r6IMG 1836 0.jpeg?VersionId=XQ0iN653yCyw9.Wud001ULymDrE f4s

Either just mass damper or something like Bos did years ago?

IMG 1833 0

and this kid won. #weirdasfbikegoesfast

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4/19/2026 9:21pm
krabo83 wrote:

looking at the bike with the coil shock i think that the vivid or float x2 wouldn‘t fit the shock tunnel. that‘s the real reason.

alannz wrote:
Not saying you’re wrong, but this is their official answer 🤷
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Not saying you’re wrong, but this is their official answer 🤷

Looks like Fox had the latest X2 in a Nomad at Sea Otter so you can breathe a sigh of relief regarding large air can shocks fitting in the shock tunnel:

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4/19/2026 11:06pm

That air can looks a bit like the Vorsprung Secus. Wonder if it’s a similar concept.

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4/20/2026 3:53am

New Schwalbe Tire in @lorisvergier story? Kinda like a Highroller 3 but the Knobs are shaped different. 

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4/20/2026 4:56am Edited Date/Time 4/20/2026 4:57am

Proto tyre, it was recently discussed by @schwalbai in the tyre thread.

Not exactly new new, it was seen a while ago already, from what I understood it might stay proto only for the time. 

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yahmon wrote:
IMG 4003

God I wish my Sight was raw. Also its interesting that he is using a performance fox shock instead of a Marz something.

63expert wrote:

Might be a RAD shock. Those usually don’t have Kashima. 
Also, Marzocchi stickers on the fork, but that is not a production Zoke casting. 

Marz has been using prior gen 40 lowers since the acquisition (among other parts). Newest 40 has an updated casting, so the marz fork will likely be getting the last gen 40 lowers.

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God I wish my Sight was raw. Also its interesting that he is using a performance fox shock instead of a Marz something.

63expert wrote:

Might be a RAD shock. Those usually don’t have Kashima. 
Also, Marzocchi stickers on the fork, but that is not a production Zoke casting. 

jonkranked wrote:
Marz has been using prior gen 40 lowers since the acquisition (among other parts). Newest 40 has an updated casting, so the marz fork will likely...

Marz has been using prior gen 40 lowers since the acquisition (among other parts). Newest 40 has an updated casting, so the marz fork will likely be getting the last gen 40 lowers.

But marz 58 was 27.5" only and that casting did not get the update

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dolface wrote:
Did we get scooped by bikepacking.com?Proto RSU 32" Fox fork: https://bikepacking.com/plog/2026-sea-otter-finds-part-three/

Did we get scooped by bikepacking.com?

Proto RSU 32" Fox fork: https://bikepacking.com/plog/2026-sea-otter-finds-part-three/

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dolface wrote:
Did we get scooped by bikepacking.com?Proto RSU 32" Fox fork: https://bikepacking.com/plog/2026-sea-otter-finds-part-three/

Did we get scooped by bikepacking.com?

Proto RSU 32" Fox fork: https://bikepacking.com/plog/2026-sea-otter-finds-part-three/

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Oh thank goodness! I shoulda known you'd be on top of it!

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4/20/2026 7:30am Edited Date/Time 4/20/2026 7:38am
jonkranked wrote:
Marz has been using prior gen 40 lowers since the acquisition (among other parts). Newest 40 has an updated casting, so the marz fork will likely...

Marz has been using prior gen 40 lowers since the acquisition (among other parts). Newest 40 has an updated casting, so the marz fork will likely be getting the last gen 40 lowers.

The last, last gen Fox lowers suited Marzocchi as the arch was somewhat "M" shapped which was always a Marzocchi thing. Sticking the rounded arch ones on the 58 now would lose that brand differentiation a little imo. At the same time I don't see a whole lot of motivation from Fox to keep it going or invest a whole lot into it with the state off the bike industry. 

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