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comatosegi wrote:

There is specific testing in ASTM standards to meet Cat 5 for torsional forces that a DC fork puts on a head tube.  

I knew there was an actual test for it, but couldn't remember the reference. Thanks.

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Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.

IMG 2522IMG 2524 copy.jpeg?VersionId=BN8zoztxtGSxKLn8Qk2g3bSo

Because I’ve spent so many years on the old Megatower, I’m framing this as a Megatower vs. Nomad comparison. Especially interesting for me because of the rumors that the Megatower is going away and the new Nomad does not take 29” rear wheels. I only have a couple rides in on the new bike, but so far the geometry feels really good and the bike feels solid and stout. Weirdly I haven’t been able to figure out the new Zeb yet (it feels like it's not linear enough for me right now), but I’m gonna talk to SRAM/Rockshox at Sea Otter and try some other things.

Here are my quick first impressions, in no particular order:

  • It's really blue. I do not advise pairing it with a schoolbus yellow Ohlins, red Rockshox, orange or pistachio Fox, or a nuclear neon green DVO fork.
  • Geometry feels invisible, in a good way. It feels like a bike, without any outliers.
  • The 140mm head tube on my XL size is awesome. Wish more companies did this.
  • It’s way too early to say anything meaningful about the suspension feel, but so far so good.
  • It’s kind of weird that the Nomad comes with a Super Deluxe instead of a Vivid, just from a product alignment standpoint. 170mm travel seems like a pretty clear “Vivid” application using SRAM’s product framework. Worth mentioning, I don’t think it will really matter, because I think the Super Deluxe is a great shock, but it's kind of a weird/noteworthy pick nonetheless.
  • I’m particularly curious to test climbing on the mullet Nomad vs. full 29” Megatower. I typically ride one bike for everything, which is why I’ve loved the Megatower. In my experience, it avoided a lot of compromises as a “do everything” bike.
  • The new Maven B1 brakes feel great
  • I’m stoked to see mechanical cable routing
  • Not stoked to see “ISCG05 Minus 1” and the proprietary chainguide. It should really be called “ISCG05 Plus 1,” because the OneUp top guide mounts to what looks like a proprietary two-bolt interface.

Let me know if you have any questions about the new bike in the meantime!

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Dogboy
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1 day ago

I agree that the Zeb/Super Deluxe pairing is kind of weird. But I run a Lyrik/Vivid on my trail bike, so what do I know 🤷‍♂️

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Uncle Cliffy
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1 day ago
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.Because I’ve spent so many years...

Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.

IMG 2522IMG 2524 copy.jpeg?VersionId=BN8zoztxtGSxKLn8Qk2g3bSo

Because I’ve spent so many years on the old Megatower, I’m framing this as a Megatower vs. Nomad comparison. Especially interesting for me because of the rumors that the Megatower is going away and the new Nomad does not take 29” rear wheels. I only have a couple rides in on the new bike, but so far the geometry feels really good and the bike feels solid and stout. Weirdly I haven’t been able to figure out the new Zeb yet (it feels like it's not linear enough for me right now), but I’m gonna talk to SRAM/Rockshox at Sea Otter and try some other things.

Here are my quick first impressions, in no particular order:

  • It's really blue. I do not advise pairing it with a schoolbus yellow Ohlins, red Rockshox, orange or pistachio Fox, or a nuclear neon green DVO fork.
  • Geometry feels invisible, in a good way. It feels like a bike, without any outliers.
  • The 140mm head tube on my XL size is awesome. Wish more companies did this.
  • It’s way too early to say anything meaningful about the suspension feel, but so far so good.
  • It’s kind of weird that the Nomad comes with a Super Deluxe instead of a Vivid, just from a product alignment standpoint. 170mm travel seems like a pretty clear “Vivid” application using SRAM’s product framework. Worth mentioning, I don’t think it will really matter, because I think the Super Deluxe is a great shock, but it's kind of a weird/noteworthy pick nonetheless.
  • I’m particularly curious to test climbing on the mullet Nomad vs. full 29” Megatower. I typically ride one bike for everything, which is why I’ve loved the Megatower. In my experience, it avoided a lot of compromises as a “do everything” bike.
  • The new Maven B1 brakes feel great
  • I’m stoked to see mechanical cable routing
  • Not stoked to see “ISCG05 Minus 1” and the proprietary chainguide. It should really be called “ISCG05 Plus 1,” because the OneUp top guide mounts to what looks like a proprietary two-bolt interface.

Let me know if you have any questions about the new bike in the meantime!

Unfortunately, a 140 mm head tube makes running a dual crown difficult.

Oh wait… 

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TEAMROBOT wrote:
Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.Because I’ve spent so many years...

Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.

IMG 2522IMG 2524 copy.jpeg?VersionId=BN8zoztxtGSxKLn8Qk2g3bSo

Because I’ve spent so many years on the old Megatower, I’m framing this as a Megatower vs. Nomad comparison. Especially interesting for me because of the rumors that the Megatower is going away and the new Nomad does not take 29” rear wheels. I only have a couple rides in on the new bike, but so far the geometry feels really good and the bike feels solid and stout. Weirdly I haven’t been able to figure out the new Zeb yet (it feels like it's not linear enough for me right now), but I’m gonna talk to SRAM/Rockshox at Sea Otter and try some other things.

Here are my quick first impressions, in no particular order:

  • It's really blue. I do not advise pairing it with a schoolbus yellow Ohlins, red Rockshox, orange or pistachio Fox, or a nuclear neon green DVO fork.
  • Geometry feels invisible, in a good way. It feels like a bike, without any outliers.
  • The 140mm head tube on my XL size is awesome. Wish more companies did this.
  • It’s way too early to say anything meaningful about the suspension feel, but so far so good.
  • It’s kind of weird that the Nomad comes with a Super Deluxe instead of a Vivid, just from a product alignment standpoint. 170mm travel seems like a pretty clear “Vivid” application using SRAM’s product framework. Worth mentioning, I don’t think it will really matter, because I think the Super Deluxe is a great shock, but it's kind of a weird/noteworthy pick nonetheless.
  • I’m particularly curious to test climbing on the mullet Nomad vs. full 29” Megatower. I typically ride one bike for everything, which is why I’ve loved the Megatower. In my experience, it avoided a lot of compromises as a “do everything” bike.
  • The new Maven B1 brakes feel great
  • I’m stoked to see mechanical cable routing
  • Not stoked to see “ISCG05 Minus 1” and the proprietary chainguide. It should really be called “ISCG05 Plus 1,” because the OneUp top guide mounts to what looks like a proprietary two-bolt interface.

Let me know if you have any questions about the new bike in the meantime!

Agreed that's an odd choice to do the built in chain guide. My personal preference is to use a bash guard only, but one that mounts to all 3 tabs for extra strength. I haven't had a dropped chain from the chainring in like 5+ years, so for me they are more trouble than they are worth.

Dunno if you have ridden the new bronson, but that's a comparison i'm most interested in.

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TEAMROBOT wrote:
Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.Because I’ve spent so many years...

Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.

IMG 2522IMG 2524 copy.jpeg?VersionId=BN8zoztxtGSxKLn8Qk2g3bSo

Because I’ve spent so many years on the old Megatower, I’m framing this as a Megatower vs. Nomad comparison. Especially interesting for me because of the rumors that the Megatower is going away and the new Nomad does not take 29” rear wheels. I only have a couple rides in on the new bike, but so far the geometry feels really good and the bike feels solid and stout. Weirdly I haven’t been able to figure out the new Zeb yet (it feels like it's not linear enough for me right now), but I’m gonna talk to SRAM/Rockshox at Sea Otter and try some other things.

Here are my quick first impressions, in no particular order:

  • It's really blue. I do not advise pairing it with a schoolbus yellow Ohlins, red Rockshox, orange or pistachio Fox, or a nuclear neon green DVO fork.
  • Geometry feels invisible, in a good way. It feels like a bike, without any outliers.
  • The 140mm head tube on my XL size is awesome. Wish more companies did this.
  • It’s way too early to say anything meaningful about the suspension feel, but so far so good.
  • It’s kind of weird that the Nomad comes with a Super Deluxe instead of a Vivid, just from a product alignment standpoint. 170mm travel seems like a pretty clear “Vivid” application using SRAM’s product framework. Worth mentioning, I don’t think it will really matter, because I think the Super Deluxe is a great shock, but it's kind of a weird/noteworthy pick nonetheless.
  • I’m particularly curious to test climbing on the mullet Nomad vs. full 29” Megatower. I typically ride one bike for everything, which is why I’ve loved the Megatower. In my experience, it avoided a lot of compromises as a “do everything” bike.
  • The new Maven B1 brakes feel great
  • I’m stoked to see mechanical cable routing
  • Not stoked to see “ISCG05 Minus 1” and the proprietary chainguide. It should really be called “ISCG05 Plus 1,” because the OneUp top guide mounts to what looks like a proprietary two-bolt interface.

Let me know if you have any questions about the new bike in the meantime!

Great to hear! 

I have a couple of burning questions:

I‘d love to know if it fits bigger than older Santa Cruz models, because of the taller stack? The Nomad and Megatower run a bit small, compared to other size large bikes. The Bullit and Vala (and Hightower 4 maybe) are a tad bigger however. Reach numbers aren‘t longer on paper, but because of the taller stack, they actually are at the same bar height, in relation to the axle.

Is the same true for the new Nomad? 

I‘d also would love to know, if it is noticeably less harsh than the Megatower 2 (which some reviews state). Or more comfortable, in other words.

I am not far from buying either a new Nomad frame or a Megatower 2 frame (at a discount, but with an older X2, which won‘t last). I prefer dual 29, but I am not heavy and prefer flexier frames. Long legs, Mullet is meh, in my experience. Spent some time on a Vala. Liked it in general, but did not enjoy ebiking/a motor and felt the smaller rear wheel gave more drawbacks than advantages at my height/inseam. (6ft and 36.6inch inseam), size large frame.

Either would replace my seven seasons old Madonna V2 frame, which I‘d love to ride still. But I fear it will fail at some point at the welds because it has seen so much use. And I‘d rather not crash or end a bike trip abruptly.

So - your Megatower Nomad comparison will be a perfect read for me! Looking forward to it!

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TEAMROBOT wrote:
Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.Because I’ve spent so many years...

Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.

IMG 2522IMG 2524 copy.jpeg?VersionId=BN8zoztxtGSxKLn8Qk2g3bSo

Because I’ve spent so many years on the old Megatower, I’m framing this as a Megatower vs. Nomad comparison. Especially interesting for me because of the rumors that the Megatower is going away and the new Nomad does not take 29” rear wheels. I only have a couple rides in on the new bike, but so far the geometry feels really good and the bike feels solid and stout. Weirdly I haven’t been able to figure out the new Zeb yet (it feels like it's not linear enough for me right now), but I’m gonna talk to SRAM/Rockshox at Sea Otter and try some other things.

Here are my quick first impressions, in no particular order:

  • It's really blue. I do not advise pairing it with a schoolbus yellow Ohlins, red Rockshox, orange or pistachio Fox, or a nuclear neon green DVO fork.
  • Geometry feels invisible, in a good way. It feels like a bike, without any outliers.
  • The 140mm head tube on my XL size is awesome. Wish more companies did this.
  • It’s way too early to say anything meaningful about the suspension feel, but so far so good.
  • It’s kind of weird that the Nomad comes with a Super Deluxe instead of a Vivid, just from a product alignment standpoint. 170mm travel seems like a pretty clear “Vivid” application using SRAM’s product framework. Worth mentioning, I don’t think it will really matter, because I think the Super Deluxe is a great shock, but it's kind of a weird/noteworthy pick nonetheless.
  • I’m particularly curious to test climbing on the mullet Nomad vs. full 29” Megatower. I typically ride one bike for everything, which is why I’ve loved the Megatower. In my experience, it avoided a lot of compromises as a “do everything” bike.
  • The new Maven B1 brakes feel great
  • I’m stoked to see mechanical cable routing
  • Not stoked to see “ISCG05 Minus 1” and the proprietary chainguide. It should really be called “ISCG05 Plus 1,” because the OneUp top guide mounts to what looks like a proprietary two-bolt interface.

Let me know if you have any questions about the new bike in the meantime!

Znarf wrote:
Great to hear! I have a couple of burning questions:I‘d love to know if it fits bigger than older Santa Cruz models, because of the taller stack...

Great to hear! 

I have a couple of burning questions:

I‘d love to know if it fits bigger than older Santa Cruz models, because of the taller stack? The Nomad and Megatower run a bit small, compared to other size large bikes. The Bullit and Vala (and Hightower 4 maybe) are a tad bigger however. Reach numbers aren‘t longer on paper, but because of the taller stack, they actually are at the same bar height, in relation to the axle.

Is the same true for the new Nomad? 

I‘d also would love to know, if it is noticeably less harsh than the Megatower 2 (which some reviews state). Or more comfortable, in other words.

I am not far from buying either a new Nomad frame or a Megatower 2 frame (at a discount, but with an older X2, which won‘t last). I prefer dual 29, but I am not heavy and prefer flexier frames. Long legs, Mullet is meh, in my experience. Spent some time on a Vala. Liked it in general, but did not enjoy ebiking/a motor and felt the smaller rear wheel gave more drawbacks than advantages at my height/inseam. (6ft and 36.6inch inseam), size large frame.

Either would replace my seven seasons old Madonna V2 frame, which I‘d love to ride still. But I fear it will fail at some point at the welds because it has seen so much use. And I‘d rather not crash or end a bike trip abruptly.

So - your Megatower Nomad comparison will be a perfect read for me! Looking forward to it!

Would not recommend Santa regarding your comment to prefer flexier frames. Am currently on a Bronson V5 and it is the stiffest frame I have ever owned.

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1 day ago
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.Because I’ve spent so many years...

Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.

IMG 2522IMG 2524 copy.jpeg?VersionId=BN8zoztxtGSxKLn8Qk2g3bSo

Because I’ve spent so many years on the old Megatower, I’m framing this as a Megatower vs. Nomad comparison. Especially interesting for me because of the rumors that the Megatower is going away and the new Nomad does not take 29” rear wheels. I only have a couple rides in on the new bike, but so far the geometry feels really good and the bike feels solid and stout. Weirdly I haven’t been able to figure out the new Zeb yet (it feels like it's not linear enough for me right now), but I’m gonna talk to SRAM/Rockshox at Sea Otter and try some other things.

Here are my quick first impressions, in no particular order:

  • It's really blue. I do not advise pairing it with a schoolbus yellow Ohlins, red Rockshox, orange or pistachio Fox, or a nuclear neon green DVO fork.
  • Geometry feels invisible, in a good way. It feels like a bike, without any outliers.
  • The 140mm head tube on my XL size is awesome. Wish more companies did this.
  • It’s way too early to say anything meaningful about the suspension feel, but so far so good.
  • It’s kind of weird that the Nomad comes with a Super Deluxe instead of a Vivid, just from a product alignment standpoint. 170mm travel seems like a pretty clear “Vivid” application using SRAM’s product framework. Worth mentioning, I don’t think it will really matter, because I think the Super Deluxe is a great shock, but it's kind of a weird/noteworthy pick nonetheless.
  • I’m particularly curious to test climbing on the mullet Nomad vs. full 29” Megatower. I typically ride one bike for everything, which is why I’ve loved the Megatower. In my experience, it avoided a lot of compromises as a “do everything” bike.
  • The new Maven B1 brakes feel great
  • I’m stoked to see mechanical cable routing
  • Not stoked to see “ISCG05 Minus 1” and the proprietary chainguide. It should really be called “ISCG05 Plus 1,” because the OneUp top guide mounts to what looks like a proprietary two-bolt interface.

Let me know if you have any questions about the new bike in the meantime!

Wait, that’s not a Bronson?!

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ebruner wrote:
I did email santacruz once about putting a dual crown on my nomad 6.  They said (obviously) that it was officially not supported and stated the...

I did email santacruz once about putting a dual crown on my nomad 6.  They said (obviously) that it was officially not supported and stated the frame was more then stiff enough for a dual crown fork, but not reinforced for the fork bumpers hitting the side of the head tube.  They did say to officially, un-officially send pictures if i followed through with it, and told me that despite being rad... it would completely void the warranty.  

I’ve had a similar conversation with them about a Megatower 2 Frame, they don’t state anywhere it’s not compatible, and their concern is not about the...

I’ve had a similar conversation with them about a Megatower 2 Frame, they don’t state anywhere it’s not compatible, and their concern is not about the flex put through the frame, only the potential impact forces. But impact forces can happen regardless of what fork you have if you’re unlucky and hit a tree or rocks etc and stated unofficially that if something were to happen it would be wise to not have a dual crown installed when submitting warranty claims etc .. 

comatosegi wrote:

There is specific testing in ASTM standards to meet Cat 5 for torsional forces that a DC fork puts on a head tube.  

Can you reference the specific ASTM standard covering category based testing?

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sr_34 wrote:
Would not recommend Santa regarding your comment to prefer flexier frames. Am currently on a Bronson V5 and it is the stiffest frame I have ever...

Would not recommend Santa regarding your comment to prefer flexier frames. Am currently on a Bronson V5 and it is the stiffest frame I have ever owned.

The new Nomad's downtube is skinny compared to the Bronson, and SC says the Nomad is more flexy than their previous frames for better riding comfort.

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TEAMROBOT wrote:
Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.Because I’ve spent so many years...

Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.

IMG 2522IMG 2524 copy.jpeg?VersionId=BN8zoztxtGSxKLn8Qk2g3bSo

Because I’ve spent so many years on the old Megatower, I’m framing this as a Megatower vs. Nomad comparison. Especially interesting for me because of the rumors that the Megatower is going away and the new Nomad does not take 29” rear wheels. I only have a couple rides in on the new bike, but so far the geometry feels really good and the bike feels solid and stout. Weirdly I haven’t been able to figure out the new Zeb yet (it feels like it's not linear enough for me right now), but I’m gonna talk to SRAM/Rockshox at Sea Otter and try some other things.

Here are my quick first impressions, in no particular order:

  • It's really blue. I do not advise pairing it with a schoolbus yellow Ohlins, red Rockshox, orange or pistachio Fox, or a nuclear neon green DVO fork.
  • Geometry feels invisible, in a good way. It feels like a bike, without any outliers.
  • The 140mm head tube on my XL size is awesome. Wish more companies did this.
  • It’s way too early to say anything meaningful about the suspension feel, but so far so good.
  • It’s kind of weird that the Nomad comes with a Super Deluxe instead of a Vivid, just from a product alignment standpoint. 170mm travel seems like a pretty clear “Vivid” application using SRAM’s product framework. Worth mentioning, I don’t think it will really matter, because I think the Super Deluxe is a great shock, but it's kind of a weird/noteworthy pick nonetheless.
  • I’m particularly curious to test climbing on the mullet Nomad vs. full 29” Megatower. I typically ride one bike for everything, which is why I’ve loved the Megatower. In my experience, it avoided a lot of compromises as a “do everything” bike.
  • The new Maven B1 brakes feel great
  • I’m stoked to see mechanical cable routing
  • Not stoked to see “ISCG05 Minus 1” and the proprietary chainguide. It should really be called “ISCG05 Plus 1,” because the OneUp top guide mounts to what looks like a proprietary two-bolt interface.

Let me know if you have any questions about the new bike in the meantime!

Is the zeb really "zero stiction" like RS says it is? And what was the break in process like?

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Zerode teases a new bike on their Facebook page.

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I’ve had a similar conversation with them about a Megatower 2 Frame, they don’t state anywhere it’s not compatible, and their concern is not about the...

I’ve had a similar conversation with them about a Megatower 2 Frame, they don’t state anywhere it’s not compatible, and their concern is not about the flex put through the frame, only the potential impact forces. But impact forces can happen regardless of what fork you have if you’re unlucky and hit a tree or rocks etc and stated unofficially that if something were to happen it would be wise to not have a dual crown installed when submitting warranty claims etc .. 

comatosegi wrote:

There is specific testing in ASTM standards to meet Cat 5 for torsional forces that a DC fork puts on a head tube.  

Primoz wrote:

Can you reference the specific ASTM standard covering category based testing?

ASTM F2711 came up when I ran an inquiry, different than the ISO 4210.  Category designations are separate standard F2043 from what I understand.  When I spoke the Trek PM a while back, he said the Slash meets the CAT 5 testing except for the dual crown requirements, which why it was only rated at CAT 4.  Please correct anything you find wrong.


 

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Have sidekick on my dh rig and onyx in my trail bike. Sidekick is very quiet. You can hear it on a stand but not on...

Have sidekick on my dh rig and onyx in my trail bike. Sidekick is very quiet. You can hear it on a stand but not on a trail. Same ride experience sound wise imo. 

New sidekick pro is quite a bit lighter than the onyx vesper. Think it might be time to make the switch in the trail bike. They also roll even faster than the onyx. 

That’s awesome to hear.  I know the 1st gen sidekick had a few reliability issues.  I’ll probably wait to see a few real world reviews of...

That’s awesome to hear.  I know the 1st gen sidekick had a few reliability issues.  I’ll probably wait to see a few real world reviews of the 2nd gen before pulling the trigger.  

I think history has proven to never buy a first gen e13 anything 

I haven’t heard of anybody with a production Sidekick having issues.  I know there is always the proto excuse, but journalist do get products way earlier.  I have one of the early batch ones, no issues so far.

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Heard the new speci launching this week is all about “control at speed.” Not sure what that means, heard it’s a race bike though 

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TEAMROBOT wrote:
Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.Because I’ve spent so many years...

Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.

IMG 2522IMG 2524 copy.jpeg?VersionId=BN8zoztxtGSxKLn8Qk2g3bSo

Because I’ve spent so many years on the old Megatower, I’m framing this as a Megatower vs. Nomad comparison. Especially interesting for me because of the rumors that the Megatower is going away and the new Nomad does not take 29” rear wheels. I only have a couple rides in on the new bike, but so far the geometry feels really good and the bike feels solid and stout. Weirdly I haven’t been able to figure out the new Zeb yet (it feels like it's not linear enough for me right now), but I’m gonna talk to SRAM/Rockshox at Sea Otter and try some other things.

Here are my quick first impressions, in no particular order:

  • It's really blue. I do not advise pairing it with a schoolbus yellow Ohlins, red Rockshox, orange or pistachio Fox, or a nuclear neon green DVO fork.
  • Geometry feels invisible, in a good way. It feels like a bike, without any outliers.
  • The 140mm head tube on my XL size is awesome. Wish more companies did this.
  • It’s way too early to say anything meaningful about the suspension feel, but so far so good.
  • It’s kind of weird that the Nomad comes with a Super Deluxe instead of a Vivid, just from a product alignment standpoint. 170mm travel seems like a pretty clear “Vivid” application using SRAM’s product framework. Worth mentioning, I don’t think it will really matter, because I think the Super Deluxe is a great shock, but it's kind of a weird/noteworthy pick nonetheless.
  • I’m particularly curious to test climbing on the mullet Nomad vs. full 29” Megatower. I typically ride one bike for everything, which is why I’ve loved the Megatower. In my experience, it avoided a lot of compromises as a “do everything” bike.
  • The new Maven B1 brakes feel great
  • I’m stoked to see mechanical cable routing
  • Not stoked to see “ISCG05 Minus 1” and the proprietary chainguide. It should really be called “ISCG05 Plus 1,” because the OneUp top guide mounts to what looks like a proprietary two-bolt interface.

Let me know if you have any questions about the new bike in the meantime!

One of the reviews that came out yesterday (I can't remember which) talked to the product manager and asked about the Vivid and his answer was basically they wanted to differentiate the lower spec builds from the higher spec builds which have a coil and the Vivid would blur those lines too much.

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1 day ago Edited Date/Time 1 day ago
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.Because I’ve spent so many years...

Hey all, I can finally take off my very sneaky blue tape camouflage to reveal that yes, I’m reviewing the new Nomad.

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Because I’ve spent so many years on the old Megatower, I’m framing this as a Megatower vs. Nomad comparison. Especially interesting for me because of the rumors that the Megatower is going away and the new Nomad does not take 29” rear wheels. I only have a couple rides in on the new bike, but so far the geometry feels really good and the bike feels solid and stout. Weirdly I haven’t been able to figure out the new Zeb yet (it feels like it's not linear enough for me right now), but I’m gonna talk to SRAM/Rockshox at Sea Otter and try some other things.

Here are my quick first impressions, in no particular order:

  • It's really blue. I do not advise pairing it with a schoolbus yellow Ohlins, red Rockshox, orange or pistachio Fox, or a nuclear neon green DVO fork.
  • Geometry feels invisible, in a good way. It feels like a bike, without any outliers.
  • The 140mm head tube on my XL size is awesome. Wish more companies did this.
  • It’s way too early to say anything meaningful about the suspension feel, but so far so good.
  • It’s kind of weird that the Nomad comes with a Super Deluxe instead of a Vivid, just from a product alignment standpoint. 170mm travel seems like a pretty clear “Vivid” application using SRAM’s product framework. Worth mentioning, I don’t think it will really matter, because I think the Super Deluxe is a great shock, but it's kind of a weird/noteworthy pick nonetheless.
  • I’m particularly curious to test climbing on the mullet Nomad vs. full 29” Megatower. I typically ride one bike for everything, which is why I’ve loved the Megatower. In my experience, it avoided a lot of compromises as a “do everything” bike.
  • The new Maven B1 brakes feel great
  • I’m stoked to see mechanical cable routing
  • Not stoked to see “ISCG05 Minus 1” and the proprietary chainguide. It should really be called “ISCG05 Plus 1,” because the OneUp top guide mounts to what looks like a proprietary two-bolt interface.

Let me know if you have any questions about the new bike in the meantime!

Curious what fork you’re comparing to the new Zeb?  I believe a primary driver for the new Zeb is more linear as many were unable to use full travel at longer travel on prior generation. Personally I feel I can get full travel on my Zeb charger 3.1 at 180 mm with half a token without it being overly progressive but that is on a full fat eeb. In fact I’m not sold on the whole ‘more linear’ for that reason. May just end up having to use a token or max the ABO

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comatosegi wrote:

There is specific testing in ASTM standards to meet Cat 5 for torsional forces that a DC fork puts on a head tube.  

Primoz wrote:

Can you reference the specific ASTM standard covering category based testing?

comatosegi wrote:
ASTM F2711 came up when I ran an inquiry, different than the ISO 4210.  Category designations are separate standard F2043 from what I understand.  When I...

ASTM F2711 came up when I ran an inquiry, different than the ISO 4210.  Category designations are separate standard F2043 from what I understand.  When I spoke the Trek PM a while back, he said the Slash meets the CAT 5 testing except for the dual crown requirements, which why it was only rated at CAT 4.  Please correct anything you find wrong.


 

This is cool detail and makes my interaction with Specialized last year even more aggravating.

The Status frame is only advertised as ASTM Cat 4 (i.e., no dual crown), yet they sell a complete version of the bike with a dual crown while advertising its ability to jump and ‘Freeride’. 

I called them on multiple occasions to try and figure out where the discrepancy came from (maybe they tested it to Cat 5 or internal testing to verify the dual crown but didn’t want to advertise it?) and nobody could give me even a semblance of a true answer. One person tried to tell me it was because some versions of the frame only had 140mm of travel which precluded them from more rigorous testing.


Side note, at least at one point, Kona Honzo ESDs were Cat 5, so anyone’s dream of a dual crown hardtail are still possible with some creativity.

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Heard the new speci launching this week is all about “control at speed.” Not sure what that means, heard it’s a race bike though 

Sounds like a Demo launch. 

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Heard the new speci launching this week is all about “control at speed.” Not sure what that means, heard it’s a race bike though 

Kusa wrote:

Sounds like a Demo launch. 

My thought was if they are launching a 29 inch XC  right now in the midst of this flurry of 32 inch releases maybe they want to try to sell their smaller wheel size as being about control? Similar to how 27.5 bills itself as the more playful wheel size… 

Edit: nvm, just heard it’s an eeb. Maybe it’s the eDemo? Kenevo? New demo platform with a motor? God that would be sick…

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Heard the new speci launching this week is all about “control at speed.” Not sure what that means, heard it’s a race bike though 

Kusa wrote:

Sounds like a Demo launch. 

New Epic is my guess

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My thought was if they are launching a 29 inch XC  right now in the midst of this flurry of 32 inch releases maybe they want...

My thought was if they are launching a 29 inch XC  right now in the midst of this flurry of 32 inch releases maybe they want to try to sell their smaller wheel size as being about control? Similar to how 27.5 bills itself as the more playful wheel size… 

Edit: nvm, just heard it’s an eeb. Maybe it’s the eDemo? Kenevo? New demo platform with a motor? God that would be sick…

But 27.5 is more playful. 

And isn't spec going with 'super' for their e-bike stuff (e.g. super natural)? So that's probably not an eeb. 

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Specialized dropping these rigs this spring: 
Levo EVO (did this already get dropped, or still embargoed? )  
Epic 9 
DH bike (word is, only S-Works Gucci) 

As has been said previously, the Epic 9 might be getting pushed out the door early for the 32" race to come for MY27. 

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There was a media day in santa cruz like this week with a pro rider(s) and they were testing on xc grounds. A friend supposedly also saw said pro rider on a new bike yesterday but cannot officially confirm

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Specialized dropping these rigs this spring: Levo EVO (did this already get dropped, or still embargoed? )  Epic 9 DH bike (word is, only S-Works Gucci) As has been...

Specialized dropping these rigs this spring: 
Levo EVO (did this already get dropped, or still embargoed? )  
Epic 9 
DH bike (word is, only S-Works Gucci) 

As has been said previously, the Epic 9 might be getting pushed out the door early for the 32" race to come for MY27. 

This matches what I’ve heard. Question is what’s the order?!? 

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Primoz wrote:

Can you reference the specific ASTM standard covering category based testing?

comatosegi wrote:
ASTM F2711 came up when I ran an inquiry, different than the ISO 4210.  Category designations are separate standard F2043 from what I understand.  When I...

ASTM F2711 came up when I ran an inquiry, different than the ISO 4210.  Category designations are separate standard F2043 from what I understand.  When I spoke the Trek PM a while back, he said the Slash meets the CAT 5 testing except for the dual crown requirements, which why it was only rated at CAT 4.  Please correct anything you find wrong.


 

Buckets Up wrote:
This is cool detail and makes my interaction with Specialized last year even more aggravating.The Status frame is only advertised as ASTM Cat 4 (i.e., no...

This is cool detail and makes my interaction with Specialized last year even more aggravating.

The Status frame is only advertised as ASTM Cat 4 (i.e., no dual crown), yet they sell a complete version of the bike with a dual crown while advertising its ability to jump and ‘Freeride’. 

I called them on multiple occasions to try and figure out where the discrepancy came from (maybe they tested it to Cat 5 or internal testing to verify the dual crown but didn’t want to advertise it?) and nobody could give me even a semblance of a true answer. One person tried to tell me it was because some versions of the frame only had 140mm of travel which precluded them from more rigorous testing.


Side note, at least at one point, Kona Honzo ESDs were Cat 5, so anyone’s dream of a dual crown hardtail are still possible with some creativity.

There so many different tests, who knows which one is the reason for Cat 4 rating. It could be unrelated the head-tube side loading test.

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Heard the new speci launching this week is all about “control at speed.” Not sure what that means, heard it’s a race bike though 

Kusa wrote:

Sounds like a Demo launch. 

My thought was if they are launching a 29 inch XC  right now in the midst of this flurry of 32 inch releases maybe they want...

My thought was if they are launching a 29 inch XC  right now in the midst of this flurry of 32 inch releases maybe they want to try to sell their smaller wheel size as being about control? Similar to how 27.5 bills itself as the more playful wheel size… 

Edit: nvm, just heard it’s an eeb. Maybe it’s the eDemo? Kenevo? New demo platform with a motor? God that would be sick…

Except there is no "flurry of 32 inch releases" and there wont be for some time (, if ever). 

I predict that a lot of the big-brand 32" bikes will never really be released to market and instead take the form of small batch, not publically available racing-team special editions - like the upcoming Trek XC bike.

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Specialized dropping these rigs this spring: Levo EVO (did this already get dropped, or still embargoed? )  Epic 9 DH bike (word is, only S-Works Gucci) As has been...

Specialized dropping these rigs this spring: 
Levo EVO (did this already get dropped, or still embargoed? )  
Epic 9 
DH bike (word is, only S-Works Gucci) 

As has been said previously, the Epic 9 might be getting pushed out the door early for the 32" race to come for MY27. 

I can confirm this to some degree.

The upcoming e-bike from Specialized is the long-travel Levo EVO - 180mm front, 170mm rear, more rowdy intentions than the regular Levo.

Launch of the Demo 11 is also imminent. I've got nothing new to tell about that one, we've all seen it in action at this point.

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Specialized dropping these rigs this spring: Levo EVO (did this already get dropped, or still embargoed? )  Epic 9 DH bike (word is, only S-Works Gucci) As has been...

Specialized dropping these rigs this spring: 
Levo EVO (did this already get dropped, or still embargoed? )  
Epic 9 
DH bike (word is, only S-Works Gucci) 

As has been said previously, the Epic 9 might be getting pushed out the door early for the 32" race to come for MY27. 

FullSend wrote:
I can confirm this to some degree.The upcoming e-bike from Specialized is the long-travel Levo EVO - 180mm front, 170mm rear, more rowdy intentions than the...

I can confirm this to some degree.

The upcoming e-bike from Specialized is the long-travel Levo EVO - 180mm front, 170mm rear, more rowdy intentions than the regular Levo.

Launch of the Demo 11 is also imminent. I've got nothing new to tell about that one, we've all seen it in action at this point.

Any infos on getting aftermarket linkages? Would love to try that on my levo if there is the possibility.

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