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8/8/2025 4:01pm

It could also just be a larger air can though?

Whole new shock. Not stubby resivoir and head of shock all looks different. 

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8/8/2025 7:00pm

I really liked the old Dissector, seems like this one is being marketed as a faster option, but looks good.

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8/8/2025 7:07pm
My first thought when seeing the frame tbh. I’m seeing way too many top tube humps these days. They signal lower stack which some of us...

My first thought when seeing the frame tbh. I’m seeing way too many top tube humps these days. They signal lower stack which some of us despise, so I’m wondering if that’s the subconscious origin of the hate (beyond whatever aesthetic issue they bring…)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if you do FEA on the hump, its much stronger at the head tube junction over a straight top tube. It spreads out stress on the welds and reduces pressure spikes. 

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8/8/2025 7:08pm

I really liked the old Dissector, seems like this one is being marketed as a faster option, but looks good.

I liked the performance of mine, but it wore out so fast I wonder if I had a defective batch. 

That being said, is it worth getting a non-radial tire in 2025? I've asked in the tire chat thread but no one seems to know.

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8/8/2025 7:25pm
I liked the performance of mine, but it wore out so fast I wonder if I had a defective batch. That being said, is it worth getting...

I liked the performance of mine, but it wore out so fast I wonder if I had a defective batch. 

That being said, is it worth getting a non-radial tire in 2025? I've asked in the tire chat thread but no one seems to know.

Maybe it's my current conditions/location, or familiarity, but I don't think an Assegai is losing out to a Magic Mary radial by much. Also have ridden Albert radial, which was good. The latest Schwalbe, updated Specialized, Maxxis stalwarts and the Continentals are mix and matched across my stable and they are all pretty good (aside from being way overpriced). 

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8/8/2025 11:07pm

I really liked the old Dissector, seems like this one is being marketed as a faster option, but looks good.

I liked the performance of mine, but it wore out so fast I wonder if I had a defective batch. That being said, is it worth getting...

I liked the performance of mine, but it wore out so fast I wonder if I had a defective batch. 

That being said, is it worth getting a non-radial tire in 2025? I've asked in the tire chat thread but no one seems to know.

I guess it depends, personally, no, I love the radials, they feel better than anything else, they grip more, on rocks, roots, loose, hard pack, and they’re just insane on off camber roots, that’s where they really impress me.

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8/8/2025 11:31pm

I really liked the old Dissector, seems like this one is being marketed as a faster option, but looks good.


I liked it as a rear on a non-race big travel bike.
I just want it in a folding bead DH casing with maxterra…

Same with the DHR2, etc.

 

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8/8/2025 11:51pm

They need to make the forekaster v2 in DD It's a great rear tyre for alot of trails.

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8/9/2025 2:12am Edited Date/Time 8/9/2025 2:17am
Carraig042 wrote:

New Maxxis Dissector (2025) 

Did I miss this before now? Enduromtb posted about it already.

https://www.maxxis.com/us/tire/dissector-2/

A Maxxis Kryptotal, which itself is a Continental Assegai (which was kind of a Maxxis Magic Mary, which was etc. etc. etc.), we've come full circle how many times now?

Dissectegai?

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8/9/2025 2:49am Edited Date/Time 8/9/2025 6:11am

Eh I guess that's nice?  Dissector was always an OK tire, not really better in any way than the Spec Eliminator. Do they last more than 6 rides? That's really what we all truly need to know.

The Eliminator T7/9 grid gravity has been the burly, long lasting Dissector you've been wanting all this time. The new v2 Eliminator is more gravity focused than the old one. Better cornering and braking traction.

Once I burn through my Spec tires I'm trying Contis to see if I've been missing anything.

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8/9/2025 6:19am
I liked the performance of mine, but it wore out so fast I wonder if I had a defective batch. That being said, is it worth getting...

I liked the performance of mine, but it wore out so fast I wonder if I had a defective batch. 

That being said, is it worth getting a non-radial tire in 2025? I've asked in the tire chat thread but no one seems to know.

In my opinion no it's not worth getting a non radial tyre unless you live somewhere where it doesn't rain and it's always hard packed.

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8/9/2025 3:34pm
I liked the performance of mine, but it wore out so fast I wonder if I had a defective batch. That being said, is it worth getting...

I liked the performance of mine, but it wore out so fast I wonder if I had a defective batch. 

That being said, is it worth getting a non-radial tire in 2025? I've asked in the tire chat thread but no one seems to know.

In my opinion no it's not worth getting a non radial tyre unless you live somewhere where it doesn't rain and it's always hard packed.

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sspomer wrote:
New Trek Fuel's configuration matrix below, added weights and prices below too (I thought Trek was reducing SKU's, but there are still a pile of build...

New Trek Fuel's configuration matrix below, added weights and prices below too (I thought Trek was reducing SKU's, but there are still a pile of build options between both bikes!)

Added the official PR with their detailed FAQ and more pics here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/three-bikes-one-kind-trek-l…

TrekFuelConfiguration.jpg?VersionId=oWSiNWy63oMBHH D FMh0VP4nTD0L

EX, MX and LX animation (EX has RockShox, MX has Float X and LX has coil)

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Trek Fuel+ EX, MX and LX

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Trek Fuel and Fuel+ Frame and Bike weights

26TrekFuelWeights.jpg?VersionId=KucnIa8Q

Trek Fuel and Fuel+ Pricing (USD)

26TrekFuelPrices

Did Trek steal the Giant graphic designers from 2020 for this new drop ? 

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8/9/2025 8:49pm
sspomer wrote:
New Trek Fuel's configuration matrix below, added weights and prices below too (I thought Trek was reducing SKU's, but there are still a pile of build...

New Trek Fuel's configuration matrix below, added weights and prices below too (I thought Trek was reducing SKU's, but there are still a pile of build options between both bikes!)

Added the official PR with their detailed FAQ and more pics here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/three-bikes-one-kind-trek-l…

TrekFuelConfiguration.jpg?VersionId=oWSiNWy63oMBHH D FMh0VP4nTD0L

EX, MX and LX animation (EX has RockShox, MX has Float X and LX has coil)

TrekFuelEXMXLX.gif?VersionId=CZpE d6Af8q29ND7gOUsjO89w6c

Trek Fuel+ EX, MX and LX

26TrekFuel%2BEXMXLX

Trek Fuel and Fuel+ Frame and Bike weights

26TrekFuelWeights.jpg?VersionId=KucnIa8Q

Trek Fuel and Fuel+ Pricing (USD)

26TrekFuelPrices
peecee wrote:

Did Trek steal the Giant graphic designers from 2020 for this new drop ? 

Not sure since i don’t know anyone who has bought a giant since 2020

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8/9/2025 8:54pm Edited Date/Time 8/9/2025 8:54pm
sspomer wrote:
New Trek Fuel's configuration matrix below, added weights and prices below too (I thought Trek was reducing SKU's, but there are still a pile of build...

New Trek Fuel's configuration matrix below, added weights and prices below too (I thought Trek was reducing SKU's, but there are still a pile of build options between both bikes!)

Added the official PR with their detailed FAQ and more pics here - https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/three-bikes-one-kind-trek-l…

TrekFuelConfiguration.jpg?VersionId=oWSiNWy63oMBHH D FMh0VP4nTD0L

EX, MX and LX animation (EX has RockShox, MX has Float X and LX has coil)

TrekFuelEXMXLX.gif?VersionId=CZpE d6Af8q29ND7gOUsjO89w6c

Trek Fuel+ EX, MX and LX

26TrekFuel%2BEXMXLX

Trek Fuel and Fuel+ Frame and Bike weights

26TrekFuelWeights.jpg?VersionId=KucnIa8Q

Trek Fuel and Fuel+ Pricing (USD)

26TrekFuelPrices
peecee wrote:

Did Trek steal the Giant graphic designers from 2020 for this new drop ? 

Not sure since i don’t know anyone who has bought a giant since 2020

I didnt buy it but  had the new Trance x in for testing recently and it's a really good bike but would like to see giant try the Higher front end setup - I tried 50mm oneup bars on it before I returned the bike and it was even better.

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8/10/2025 5:52am
I didnt buy it but  had the new Trance x in for testing recently and it's a really good bike but would like to see giant...

I didnt buy it but  had the new Trance x in for testing recently and it's a really good bike but would like to see giant try the Higher front end setup - I tried 50mm oneup bars on it before I returned the bike and it was even better.

Given the longer rear end that comes with most of the Giants,  a taller front could be a good move..

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8/10/2025 7:41am
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I wouldn't be surprised if they basically end up with three key frames:Next Gen Top Fuel for Cross Country/Downcountry/TrailFuel for Trail/All-Mountain/EnduroThen the Next Gen Slash/Session for...

I wouldn't be surprised if they basically end up with three key frames:

Next Gen Top Fuel for Cross Country/Downcountry/Trail

Fuel for Trail/All-Mountain/Enduro

Then the Next Gen Slash/Session for Enduro/Downhill. Similar to the latest Orbea Rallon.

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I actually saw this on the Slash FB page the other day, apparently it’s a custom 190/190mm travel Gen 6 Slash with custom rocker/lower linkages and dual crown fork. 

I imagine a Slashession would be extremely popular since it can be pretty hard to justify a downhill bike for a lot of people, but something that could do both without too many compromises would be pretty compelling.

There is more money to be made by selling two bikes than a bike and a link, but the marketplace can only support so many bikes...

There is more money to be made by selling two bikes than a bike and a link, but the marketplace can only support so many bikes. I suppose that modularity will be driven by brands calculating that tradeoff, with some brands realizing that they can sell two bikes and other brands realizing that they can’t pull that off. Someone like Speci will keep pushing a different bike for every trail you ride, while smaller brands might find themselves becoming more competitive with a modular offering.

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I actually think it’s the opposite. I feel like modularity is harder to pull off cost-effectively as a smaller operation. You really need the economies of...

I actually think it’s the opposite. I feel like modularity is harder to pull off cost-effectively as a smaller operation. You really need the economies of scale that only the bigger brands have to pull it off in a way that actually delivers cost savings to the manufacturer.

And specialized already seem to be reducing their product lines, Kenevo is gone and it looks like the Kenevo SL isn’t getting an update either. Stumpy evo is likely out as a bespoke frame at least. Like Trek they have indicated that they are aiming to rationalise product lineups and streamline operations.

I think for these bigger companies it’s potentially almost riskier having too many models compared to smaller brands. After 2020 I think they were badly burnt from excess inventory and are now in the process of rationalising their product lines to maximise efficiency and make sure they never end up with warehouses full of outdated bikes they have to sell for steep discounts again.

It’s also a lot easier to forecast demand with a reduced number of SKU’s. 

It’s actually kind of insane how many choices we have for MTB now, I expect long term we will get more market consolidation as the current industry just doesn’t seem sustainable as there’s so much competition that nobody is able to really benefit from economies of scale to undercut competitors. I guess it also doesn’t help that the barrier for entry to making bicycle frames is a lot lower than something like a dirt bike so it’s easy for competitors to enter the market and compete for market share. 

I am hearing a kenevo is hitting this year… 

Capitalism just doesn’t work that way. It rewards fragmentation. If all speci sold was an epic and a stumpy I’d agree with you but damn do they make shed loads of nominally different bikes, with even more hair splitting versions on the way (new trail bike incoming to slot in between epic Evo and stumpy Evo…) 

Hmm, but as I’m typing this I’m realizing I can see your perspective, wherein brands still have a lot of fragmentation and different bikes, but on the back end they are doing it with more overlap of parts, like Trek is doing (and status DH?) I guess capitalism does love that, virtual fragmentation with arbitrary distinctions between products. 

I guess I was thinking about a truly modular bike, kinda geometron-esque but not as extreme. 

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I am hearing a kenevo is hitting this year… Capitalism just doesn’t work that way. It rewards fragmentation. If all speci sold was an epic and a...

I am hearing a kenevo is hitting this year… 

Capitalism just doesn’t work that way. It rewards fragmentation. If all speci sold was an epic and a stumpy I’d agree with you but damn do they make shed loads of nominally different bikes, with even more hair splitting versions on the way (new trail bike incoming to slot in between epic Evo and stumpy Evo…) 

Hmm, but as I’m typing this I’m realizing I can see your perspective, wherein brands still have a lot of fragmentation and different bikes, but on the back end they are doing it with more overlap of parts, like Trek is doing (and status DH?) I guess capitalism does love that, virtual fragmentation with arbitrary distinctions between products. 

I guess I was thinking about a truly modular bike, kinda geometron-esque but not as extreme. 

Not a 1:1 analogy, but in terms of "virtual fragmentation with arbitrary distinctions between products," that was GM's bread and butter for 75+ years. Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, and Chevrolet were almost identical vehicles with minor part and trim changes to make people feel like they were buying into an entirely different brand. So that method works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_companion_make_program

Now, on the one hand, you could say that's what every bike company does with trim levels (i.e. SLX, XT, XTR) but I think GM was doing something sneakier than that. The whole brand and product name changed. More like PON's brand portfolio, but if all the bikes were obviously the same bike. And GM buyers bought into this fantasy in droves.

There's the old joke, "What's the difference between a Chevy and a GMC? Lock washers."

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I am hearing a kenevo is hitting this year… Capitalism just doesn’t work that way. It rewards fragmentation. If all speci sold was an epic and a...

I am hearing a kenevo is hitting this year… 

Capitalism just doesn’t work that way. It rewards fragmentation. If all speci sold was an epic and a stumpy I’d agree with you but damn do they make shed loads of nominally different bikes, with even more hair splitting versions on the way (new trail bike incoming to slot in between epic Evo and stumpy Evo…) 

Hmm, but as I’m typing this I’m realizing I can see your perspective, wherein brands still have a lot of fragmentation and different bikes, but on the back end they are doing it with more overlap of parts, like Trek is doing (and status DH?) I guess capitalism does love that, virtual fragmentation with arbitrary distinctions between products. 

I guess I was thinking about a truly modular bike, kinda geometron-esque but not as extreme. 

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Not a 1:1 analogy, but in terms of "virtual fragmentation with arbitrary distinctions between products," that was GM's bread and butter for 75+ years. Cadillac, Buick...

Not a 1:1 analogy, but in terms of "virtual fragmentation with arbitrary distinctions between products," that was GM's bread and butter for 75+ years. Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, and Chevrolet were almost identical vehicles with minor part and trim changes to make people feel like they were buying into an entirely different brand. So that method works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_companion_make_program

Now, on the one hand, you could say that's what every bike company does with trim levels (i.e. SLX, XT, XTR) but I think GM was doing something sneakier than that. The whole brand and product name changed. More like PON's brand portfolio, but if all the bikes were obviously the same bike. And GM buyers bought into this fantasy in droves.

There's the old joke, "What's the difference between a Chevy and a GMC? Lock washers."

Mmm great point connecting it with pon!

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8/10/2025 9:00am
I am hearing a kenevo is hitting this year… Capitalism just doesn’t work that way. It rewards fragmentation. If all speci sold was an epic and a...

I am hearing a kenevo is hitting this year… 

Capitalism just doesn’t work that way. It rewards fragmentation. If all speci sold was an epic and a stumpy I’d agree with you but damn do they make shed loads of nominally different bikes, with even more hair splitting versions on the way (new trail bike incoming to slot in between epic Evo and stumpy Evo…) 

Hmm, but as I’m typing this I’m realizing I can see your perspective, wherein brands still have a lot of fragmentation and different bikes, but on the back end they are doing it with more overlap of parts, like Trek is doing (and status DH?) I guess capitalism does love that, virtual fragmentation with arbitrary distinctions between products. 

I guess I was thinking about a truly modular bike, kinda geometron-esque but not as extreme. 

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Not a 1:1 analogy, but in terms of "virtual fragmentation with arbitrary distinctions between products," that was GM's bread and butter for 75+ years. Cadillac, Buick...

Not a 1:1 analogy, but in terms of "virtual fragmentation with arbitrary distinctions between products," that was GM's bread and butter for 75+ years. Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, and Chevrolet were almost identical vehicles with minor part and trim changes to make people feel like they were buying into an entirely different brand. So that method works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_companion_make_program

Now, on the one hand, you could say that's what every bike company does with trim levels (i.e. SLX, XT, XTR) but I think GM was doing something sneakier than that. The whole brand and product name changed. More like PON's brand portfolio, but if all the bikes were obviously the same bike. And GM buyers bought into this fantasy in droves.

There's the old joke, "What's the difference between a Chevy and a GMC? Lock washers."

I'm taking this as confirmation that the Vala really is the prototype GT ebike that never saw production. 

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8/10/2025 9:15am

The covered Ari Dh bike looks like it could also be an enduro bike with a few of the enduro riders on them

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chriskief wrote:

I'm taking this as confirmation that the Vala really is the prototype GT ebike that never saw production. 

The Vala doesn’t look much like this

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8/10/2025 9:24am
chriskief wrote:

I'm taking this as confirmation that the Vala really is the prototype GT ebike that never saw production. 

TimBud wrote:

The Vala doesn’t look much like this

Vala looks a lot more like the GT than every other Santa Cruz VPP...

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8/10/2025 9:43am

Well they are both 4 bar horst link ebikes

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8/10/2025 9:52am
TimBud wrote:

Well they are both 4 bar horst link ebikes

Santa Cruz makes its first 4 bar horst bike shortly after GT calls it quits... 🤔

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8/10/2025 10:27am
chriskief wrote:

Santa Cruz makes its first 4 bar horst bike shortly after GT calls it quits... 🤔

The non-vpp e bike was in the works years ago.

They realized vpp with a shock tunnel, battery and motor basically impossible to get a good frame package (long seat post insertion, water bottle etc) 

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8/10/2025 10:39am
I am hearing a kenevo is hitting this year… Capitalism just doesn’t work that way. It rewards fragmentation. If all speci sold was an epic and a...

I am hearing a kenevo is hitting this year… 

Capitalism just doesn’t work that way. It rewards fragmentation. If all speci sold was an epic and a stumpy I’d agree with you but damn do they make shed loads of nominally different bikes, with even more hair splitting versions on the way (new trail bike incoming to slot in between epic Evo and stumpy Evo…) 

Hmm, but as I’m typing this I’m realizing I can see your perspective, wherein brands still have a lot of fragmentation and different bikes, but on the back end they are doing it with more overlap of parts, like Trek is doing (and status DH?) I guess capitalism does love that, virtual fragmentation with arbitrary distinctions between products. 

I guess I was thinking about a truly modular bike, kinda geometron-esque but not as extreme. 

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Not a 1:1 analogy, but in terms of "virtual fragmentation with arbitrary distinctions between products," that was GM's bread and butter for 75+ years. Cadillac, Buick...

Not a 1:1 analogy, but in terms of "virtual fragmentation with arbitrary distinctions between products," that was GM's bread and butter for 75+ years. Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, and Chevrolet were almost identical vehicles with minor part and trim changes to make people feel like they were buying into an entirely different brand. So that method works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_companion_make_program

Now, on the one hand, you could say that's what every bike company does with trim levels (i.e. SLX, XT, XTR) but I think GM was doing something sneakier than that. The whole brand and product name changed. More like PON's brand portfolio, but if all the bikes were obviously the same bike. And GM buyers bought into this fantasy in droves.

There's the old joke, "What's the difference between a Chevy and a GMC? Lock washers."

That also culminated in gm needing a bailout.  And without the tariff protection introduced it’s hard to believe they would have made it that long.  And since Obama’s trade in deal removed 100,000 + working cars from the market.  The used market has been terrible ever since.

I wouldn’t mind if they brought gt back just by making aluminum Santa Cruz’s with budget builds on the other hand.  If the bikes are good and they bring back that gt vibe I think that’s a brand that is poised for a comeback with the right momentum behind it.

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8/10/2025 10:45am
chriskief wrote:

Santa Cruz makes its first 4 bar horst bike shortly after GT calls it quits... 🤔

Dave_Camp wrote:
The non-vpp e bike was in the works years ago.They realized vpp with a shock tunnel, battery and motor basically impossible to get a good frame...

The non-vpp e bike was in the works years ago.

They realized vpp with a shock tunnel, battery and motor basically impossible to get a good frame package (long seat post insertion, water bottle etc) 

In the works for years... at GT??

Don't crush my conspiracy dreams 🤣

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There is more money to be made by selling two bikes than a bike and a link, but the marketplace can only support so many bikes...

There is more money to be made by selling two bikes than a bike and a link, but the marketplace can only support so many bikes. I suppose that modularity will be driven by brands calculating that tradeoff, with some brands realizing that they can sell two bikes and other brands realizing that they can’t pull that off. Someone like Speci will keep pushing a different bike for every trail you ride, while smaller brands might find themselves becoming more competitive with a modular offering.

2 wrote:
I actually think it’s the opposite. I feel like modularity is harder to pull off cost-effectively as a smaller operation. You really need the economies of...

I actually think it’s the opposite. I feel like modularity is harder to pull off cost-effectively as a smaller operation. You really need the economies of scale that only the bigger brands have to pull it off in a way that actually delivers cost savings to the manufacturer.

And specialized already seem to be reducing their product lines, Kenevo is gone and it looks like the Kenevo SL isn’t getting an update either. Stumpy evo is likely out as a bespoke frame at least. Like Trek they have indicated that they are aiming to rationalise product lineups and streamline operations.

I think for these bigger companies it’s potentially almost riskier having too many models compared to smaller brands. After 2020 I think they were badly burnt from excess inventory and are now in the process of rationalising their product lines to maximise efficiency and make sure they never end up with warehouses full of outdated bikes they have to sell for steep discounts again.

It’s also a lot easier to forecast demand with a reduced number of SKU’s. 

It’s actually kind of insane how many choices we have for MTB now, I expect long term we will get more market consolidation as the current industry just doesn’t seem sustainable as there’s so much competition that nobody is able to really benefit from economies of scale to undercut competitors. I guess it also doesn’t help that the barrier for entry to making bicycle frames is a lot lower than something like a dirt bike so it’s easy for competitors to enter the market and compete for market share. 

I am hearing a kenevo is hitting this year… Capitalism just doesn’t work that way. It rewards fragmentation. If all speci sold was an epic and a...

I am hearing a kenevo is hitting this year… 

Capitalism just doesn’t work that way. It rewards fragmentation. If all speci sold was an epic and a stumpy I’d agree with you but damn do they make shed loads of nominally different bikes, with even more hair splitting versions on the way (new trail bike incoming to slot in between epic Evo and stumpy Evo…) 

Hmm, but as I’m typing this I’m realizing I can see your perspective, wherein brands still have a lot of fragmentation and different bikes, but on the back end they are doing it with more overlap of parts, like Trek is doing (and status DH?) I guess capitalism does love that, virtual fragmentation with arbitrary distinctions between products. 

I guess I was thinking about a truly modular bike, kinda geometron-esque but not as extreme. 

Interesting, I hadn’t heard anything about a new Kenevo, although I had heard rumours of a specialized long travel link that fits the levo 4 frame like the cascade one. It could be a whole new frame though. A lot of their models haven’t been updated in a long time, like the Demo and Enduro.

That’s a good way of putting it in regards to virtual fragmentation. Trek probably could of called the LX and MX a Remedy and Slash Jr, which might of been less confusing for the customer, but probably didn’t want to get accused of badge engineering like GM. 

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