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I'd say that will be very much determined by performance benefit (or not) over the 38. If its suppler and has better wheel tracking why would anyone want a 170mm plus 38 IF (and big if) this usd fork can be had for the same price as the current 38. The dual chamber air spring honestly is probably as big of an update as the chassis too. I bet that will find its way to the 38 regardless.
Hub wise, like zuestman said above I have no serious concern that the 20mm axle bit will hurt its acceptance at all. Most hubs are convertible and honestly I'd rather have to adapt down to a 15mm axle on a 20mm hub then vise versa.
Fox knows that if you really want an USD fork you will deal with the hub issue one way or another. Can’t imagine an actual Fox USD fork customer saying “oh no nevermind I am obsessed with my current front hub and I am also too poor for a wheel build
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Maybe we need the Foes hub again... Didn't that thing use a 30mm axle?
https://www.instagram.com/p/DJ1vuCCsmIv/?hl=en
Not sure if the lower shock mount is replaceable for adjustment or if it has movement during travel?
Wasn't that supposed to be a changeable weight system, or am I mixing up my tech rumors?
From the other site...
wait till we see the weight of the USD fork compared to the 38, cause jordi stated that it‘s heavy and probably nothing you want to pedal around all day!
and after seeing what fox was able to achive with the new 36 (lighter & stiffer), i‘m confident that the next 38 will also manage those tasks.
I am imagining that USD fork on a full power e-bike. If it's truly amazing in performance, even though I'm totally weight weenie, I'd eat 2800 grams or something once I get a full power.
Specialized had a 25mm axle on the E-150. Dual crown enduro fork before enduro was a "thing".
Maverick forks had a 27mm axle that tapered to 24mm at the dropouts:
https://www.leelikesbikes.com/maverick-sc32-fork.html
Since the 15 mm standard proliferated, the majority of hubs are native 15 mm (or QR if convertible) and there are less and less 20 mm compatible hubs out there.
As for the Orbea, it's both, a weight carrying system and the lower shock mount. Probably there to be able to adapt it to less travel (shorter ETE shock) given the rumors that this is basically a new Rallon.
why can’t they make it light? intend can…
Plenty of people are out there pedaling dual crown forks around or converting their forks to coil.
If it performs well nobody will give two shits what it weighs.
People are riding 42lb enduro bikes and love them. Lightweight bikes were a curse to the sport. So many performance compromises in pursuit of light bikes.
My Spire with a dual crown weighs more than my tr11 but obviously pedals much better. Might even weight more with a 38 instead of a z1. But I wouldn't mind if both bikes worked as well and weighed less!
Would be a cool feature if you can select different weights or just a rubberized guard if you want as light as possible. I could see a clean adjustable weight system being a feature on bikes in the future. Considering how long guys have been zip tie/duct taping weights their bikes for certain tracks I’m surprised no company has done this sooner.
I am unfamiliar with this, cam you explain? I thought the session was 157.
I’d give 3
Same reason while even for a 170 fork I wouldn’t pick a 38 or a zeb, I don’t need 300 extra grams in there giving me nothing more than a 36 would especially being not too heavy or a racer going fast af
From what I’ve been able to find out—and judging by Orbea’s Instagram post—it’s more than certain that there’s a new Rallon coming.
There will be one DH version with Fox Factory suspension and a 225x75 shock, while the rest will likely be enduro-oriented, probably using a 205x65mm shock. I'm not sure whether the lower shock mount will be interchangeable or not.
Like I said, QR through axles were not tested.
And like we discussed, for the stiffness we are looking for more axial clamping force does not necessarily mean more stiffness. Which means it's interesting Peak Torque missed this point as he's usually very good at engineering stuff (I do recommend watching his videos, though they are primarily road oriented).
FWIW I agree with all that, clamping force isn't the same as stiffness etc. Just figured I could be helpful by dropping the link because I knew exactly which video it was.
Yeah, honestly I could have linked it too considering I was mentioning it and giving details about it... So thank you for that actually!
Who makes this 20mm to 15mm adapter and is it Boxxer specific or do they make them for other forks?
Not the same but similar, this guy has options.
https://www.ebay.com/str/jjpellc?_trksid=p4429486.m3561.l161211
Thanks. I've been running Joe's setup on a DH38 lowered to 180mm with a 15mm axle for a year. He had an issue with the first gen that he was absolutely amazing about owning up to when I thought it was me who made the mistake / caused the problem. I wanted to buy a replacement part that I thought I broke and he sent me a new redesigned part for this year and I'll be giving it a go when I finally get a chance to use the big bike. I like the setup he came up with but was curious what else was out there and the post above looked very clean and robust.
i'd agree that fewer companies are offering prebuilt wheels with 20mm hubs, and companies that are just getting into hubs (oneup) aren't offering 20mm. but there are still plenty of 20mm hub options available:
king, hope, hadley, DT, i9, onyx, novatec, shimano, sram, sun ringle, reverse, e13, project 321, i'm sure there's more.
this is a race vid, but lots of tech with troy, jackson and reece from poland world cup DH
Freaky Nuts also makes them. I'm considering put a Fox 40 on my A.170 for park use this season and ordered one of these for the conversion if I go that way. The materials seem to be of high quality. Compatible with Boxxer, Fox 40 and Rux38.
https://www.freakynuts.com