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5/7/2025 10:40pm
Race bikes want short but growing on the right path.Which is why they've specifically mentioned the at sag number. Short to load the front in a corner...

Race bikes want short but growing on the right path.
Which is why they've specifically mentioned the at sag number. 

Short to load the front in a corner and come out with more corner exit speed and help in the tighter stuff.
but growing enough to assist in Balance for the fast rough stuff.
Go ride a trek slash gen 6, Perfect example of this.

 
 
 

  

I'm not sure I'd agree that that is a hard and fast rule like you're saying. Either way 435 is very short no matter where in...

I'm not sure I'd agree that that is a hard and fast rule like you're saying. Either way 435 is very short no matter where in the travel.

FW for example is 460 on a L, and the v10's ranges from 450-460.

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If you have a large amount of rearward axle movement, the initial length needs to be pretty short.Pivot Phoenix starts at 443 and grows to 465...

If you have a large amount of rearward axle movement, the initial length needs to be pretty short.

Pivot Phoenix starts at 443 and grows to 465. It sits around 460 at 30% sag.

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Would have been nice to see Canyon publish something similar.

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bnsleit wrote:
You answered your own question - good products take work and you make more money by not having to invest in developing a product when you...

You answered your own question - good products take work and you make more money by not having to invest in developing a product when you can copy/paste the existing best in class and not care about sanctity/safety/reputation. Agreed it needs some int'l controls, or at least an industry-wide pact to never use any of that stuff for OEM or team sponsorships

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Too late for that, they are already on the Intense Factory Racing team.

I believe they're on Hayes for 2025

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5/8/2025 3:54am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2025 3:55am
We really, really need to bring the hammer down on this IP theft. Not only are they stealing ideas and patents from people who have spent...

We really, really need to bring the hammer down on this IP theft. Not only are they stealing ideas and patents from people who have spent good r&d money on developing their ideas, they haven't done the r&d, so there's far less understanding of the decisions that led to the original design. It's wholly unsafe and not to be mistaken for simply reverse engineering existing components. I don't understand why they can't just make new stuff???

bnsleit wrote:
You answered your own question - good products take work and you make more money by not having to invest in developing a product when you...

You answered your own question - good products take work and you make more money by not having to invest in developing a product when you can copy/paste the existing best in class and not care about sanctity/safety/reputation. Agreed it needs some int'l controls, or at least an industry-wide pact to never use any of that stuff for OEM or team sponsorships

jonkranked wrote:
part of the problem is that far too many people have the mindset "it only costs x to make why is it being sold for 3x?"...

part of the problem is that far too many people have the mindset "it only costs x to make why is it being sold for 3x?" without understanding that products don't just manifest themselves out of the ether ready for consumer sale. this isn't limited to the bike industry, either. 

Apologies for the double post.  I recall a story once told by an American craft brewer (who I don't recall...):  "If a bottle of your beer costs you 25c to make, why am I paying $5 for it?"  "Because making the first bottle cost me $1 million".

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bnsleit wrote:
You answered your own question - good products take work and you make more money by not having to invest in developing a product when you...

You answered your own question - good products take work and you make more money by not having to invest in developing a product when you can copy/paste the existing best in class and not care about sanctity/safety/reputation. Agreed it needs some int'l controls, or at least an industry-wide pact to never use any of that stuff for OEM or team sponsorships

iceman2058 wrote:

Too late for that, they are already on the Intense Factory Racing team.

boozed wrote:

I believe they're on Hayes for 2025

They were still on Lewis Brakes 2 weeks ago..

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Too late for that, they are already on the Intense Factory Racing team.

boozed wrote:

I believe they're on Hayes for 2025

JerseyMojo wrote:

They were still on Lewis Brakes 2 weeks ago..

Okay I think this is just me misunderstanding something I saw on instagram.

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Right on cue, here's our 1st gallery from the China Cycle 2025 show which just wrapped up after 4 intensive days in Shanghai: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/members/china-cycle-2025-shanghai. Lots...

Right on cue, here's our 1st gallery from the China Cycle 2025 show which just wrapped up after 4 intensive days in Shanghai: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/members/china-cycle-2025-shanghai. Lots of clones of course but lots of really interesting work being done too!

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link‘s not working.

link‘s not working.

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Fixed now, had a "." added to the end of the URL...

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Copying the 5Dev cranks tells you everything you need to know about a company. All they care about is looks. The originals are a horrible engineering design.

They should have copied Came Creek EEwings. But that would require some skilled welders and not just feeding a CNC machine.

Innovation would be using ultra high strength steel from the automotive industry and make a tubular crank that uses the same axles as RF, Cannondale , FSA and all the others that use that same axle. 

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5/8/2025 9:21am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2025 9:21am
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Fuck those cranks. There's SUCH a good structural reason why holes in cranks are a bad idea, with the exception of the sram cranks. The reason...

Fuck those cranks. There's SUCH a good structural reason why holes in cranks are a bad idea, with the exception of the sram cranks. The reason that all those 5dev cranks break despite not being very lightweight is 100 level shit, and I hate that the mtb industry is stupid enough to entertain it.

A 2 dimensional truss structure is fucking terrible in torsion, and most of the crank arm sees a LOT of torsion. Then you've got all the stress concentrations with all the internal corners, and that multiplies your max stresses by a lot again. The reason why the sram cranks with the hole through them are somewhat acceptable is because the part of the crank near the bb where the hole is, is angled directly at the centre of pressure of the pedal, so the torsion through that part of the crank is low and it's mostly just a bending load, which is fine. There are no holes in the part where it changes angle and becomes more parallel with the centreline of the bike, because that would be really stupid.

You get the best performance in torsion from closed section (box section, tube section etc) cranks like shimano hollowtech, or garbaruk, eewings etc. Or carbon stuff.

You see similar attention paid to the torsional loads vs bending loads in something like the raceface atlas crank where it's more like an I-beam (good in bending) on the bit near the bb where that part of the arm is pointed at the load centre, then it moves to more of a C-section with stiffeners on the inside of the C (better in torsion) for the latter half of the crank arm.

If it helps, there's a bunch of 5dev knockoff cranks on aliexpress and various reviews around the internet has revealed they are absolutely death traps. I wonder if Lewis is doing anything different or just picking up a company to run em'. If the 5dev ones are already kinda bad, wait til the knockoff hits trails in some capacity. 

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5/8/2025 9:42am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2025 10:59am
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Some new stuff and some other clones from Lewis, shame i didn't manage to screenshot a story with the chainrings cause those look really good (...

Some new stuff and some other clones from Lewis, shame i didn't manage to screenshot a story with the chainrings cause those look really good ( and as far as i know they look like nothing else in the market ) laughable 3d printed levers, again clone from Trickstuff, the other stuff looks interesting, not too sure about those huge bearings in the pedals...

Rotors are again a clone from some Chinese brand that months ago kept getting pushed as an Ad on IG

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We really, really need to bring the hammer down on this IP theft. Not only are they stealing ideas and patents from people who have spent...

We really, really need to bring the hammer down on this IP theft. Not only are they stealing ideas and patents from people who have spent good r&d money on developing their ideas, they haven't done the r&d, so there's far less understanding of the decisions that led to the original design. It's wholly unsafe and not to be mistaken for simply reverse engineering existing components. I don't understand why they can't just make new stuff???

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Not that I am for people outright cloning other companies' products, I have experienced this professionally myself and it is infuriating, but there is zero IP...

Not that I am for people outright cloning other companies' products, I have experienced this professionally myself and it is infuriating, but there is zero IP theft happening with Lewis copying Trickstuff's brakes. Design patents are a type of IP that protects the aesthetics of a product, keeping me too products from existing, but they are super rare and very difficult to get granted. Utility patents which are the IP that one would file for to protect a function or feature, like leverage adjustment or bite point adjustment cover nothing related to how something looks. Lewis copying Trickstuff's brakes does not, without any doubt, constitute as IP theft. Trickstuff does not hold a single design patent, they also hold zero utility patents on how their brakes work as almost all of their design features are well within public domain at this point, piston sizes, compression ratios, reach adjustment etc... 

I wouldn't own any of their products just because I wouldn't want to be their R&D team testing the products they copy, and I am morally against me too products capitalizing off of smaller boutique manufactures design aesthetic. But I did want to clarify that Lewis is not in violation of any patent, they didn't steal any IP. 

Not going to lie, I got Lewis brakes and ran them all last season and they've been amazing. More consistent and better modulation than my Shimano brakes and more than enough power to stop my 270lb self on Squamish slabs and dh tracks throughout Alberta and BC. No leaks. No sticky pistons. Easy to bleed. 

I didn't go out of my way to order them. My LBS brought a set in to check them out and I got a great deal on them to be the guinea pig and report back. You may not like them for ethical reasons, but you absolutely can't criticize them for their performance and reliability. 

***edit*** - I can only speak about my experience with the brakes. I wouldn't get the 5dev cranks, let alone the Lewis or any other knockoff version. 

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5/8/2025 9:44am
iceman2058 wrote:

And to keep the news rolling in, here's part 2 of our China Cycle 2025 coverage: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/members/china-cycle-2025-shanghai-part-2.

Man, that Winice enduro bike looks awesome! 
How long till China does to the MTB market what they are about (doing) to do to the car market? 
they already make the frames, they’ve just been lacking decent design. 
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Maybe we’ll be able to afford bikes again? 
 

Starunion MGM Looks the good too

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earleb wrote:
Copying the 5Dev cranks tells you everything you need to know about a company. All they care about is looks. The originals are a horrible engineering...

Copying the 5Dev cranks tells you everything you need to know about a company. All they care about is looks. The originals are a horrible engineering design.

They should have copied Came Creek EEwings. But that would require some skilled welders and not just feeding a CNC machine.

Innovation would be using ultra high strength steel from the automotive industry and make a tubular crank that uses the same axles as RF, Cannondale , FSA and all the others that use that same axle. 

I'm curious about the tubular crank idea, not sure I understand exactly what you mean though (tubular crank arm?). Mind adding a little detail to that picture for me?

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I'm curious about the tubular crank idea, not sure I understand exactly what you mean though (tubular crank arm?). Mind adding a little detail to that...

I'm curious about the tubular crank idea, not sure I understand exactly what you mean though (tubular crank arm?). Mind adding a little detail to that picture for me?

Think Profile Racing tubular chromoly cranks

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5/8/2025 10:13am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2025 10:18am
earleb wrote:
Copying the 5Dev cranks tells you everything you need to know about a company. All they care about is looks. The originals are a horrible engineering...

Copying the 5Dev cranks tells you everything you need to know about a company. All they care about is looks. The originals are a horrible engineering design.

They should have copied Came Creek EEwings. But that would require some skilled welders and not just feeding a CNC machine.

Innovation would be using ultra high strength steel from the automotive industry and make a tubular crank that uses the same axles as RF, Cannondale , FSA and all the others that use that same axle. 

I'm curious about the tubular crank idea, not sure I understand exactly what you mean though (tubular crank arm?). Mind adding a little detail to that...

I'm curious about the tubular crank idea, not sure I understand exactly what you mean though (tubular crank arm?). Mind adding a little detail to that picture for me?

Tube....you know like a round tube. Same as bikes were made from before molded carbon. 

You take a round tube and squish it a oval shape so it's optimized to the loads it's going to see. A tubular structure is better suited to the forces of a crank than an I-beam. 

See EEwings here. Drop the hirth joint, make them from steel, and use the available axle that everyone is using. Go with 8 bolt sram mount for rings so that there will be plenty of options and no special tool needed. They don't need to survive 30ft roof drops to flat like Profile cranks so can be a reasonable weight. 

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5/8/2025 10:28am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2025 10:32am
iceman2058 wrote:

And to keep the news rolling in, here's part 2 of our China Cycle 2025 coverage: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/members/china-cycle-2025-shanghai-part-2.

B Rabbit wrote:
Man, that Winice enduro bike looks awesome! How long till China does to the MTB market what they are about (doing) to do to the car market? they...

Man, that Winice enduro bike looks awesome! 
How long till China does to the MTB market what they are about (doing) to do to the car market? 
they already make the frames, they’ve just been lacking decent design. 
IMG 5881
Maybe we’ll be able to afford bikes again? 
 

Starunion MGM Looks the good too

Realistically, they aren't. 

You can already order a ton of competent bikes directly from the likes of Carbonda for excellent prices, but by the time you, as a consumer, build everything up, you often don't really end up that far ahead. There's a community that likes to play around with this stuff but pure financial reasons shouldn't be the motivation. Further, those of us in the community continue to see questionable or outright baffling choices all the time well into 2025. 

As soon as you add the overhead involved on getting these bikes to non-savvy consumers in a format that most of the industry can handle, you're going to be in line with many of the lower end of the DTC brands - many of which are essentially already taking Chinese frames, slapping their logos on them, and adding in the overhead involved in getting the bikes to non-savvy consumers. Examples of companies that did this include Nukeproof and Evolve - look how that worked out. Were those bikes good deals? Yeah. Were they mind-blowing, industry shattering deals? Hell no. 

There's a few cool things floating around. A company has something that looks like a high pivot Nukeproof Mega, it looks amazing. So does what you posted. Da Bomb has managed to find someone making high pivot Norco Sight and Range clones, and guess what, they look really good too. But so far, no real impact on the industry. 

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5/8/2025 10:34am
earleb wrote:
Tube....you know like a round tube. Same as bikes were made from before molded carbon. You take a round tube and squish it a oval shape so...

Tube....you know like a round tube. Same as bikes were made from before molded carbon. 

You take a round tube and squish it a oval shape so it's optimized to the loads it's going to see. A tubular structure is better suited to the forces of a crank than an I-beam. 

See EEwings here. Drop the hirth joint, make them from steel, and use the available axle that everyone is using. Go with 8 bolt sram mount for rings so that there will be plenty of options and no special tool needed. They don't need to survive 30ft roof drops to flat like Profile cranks so can be a reasonable weight. 

p6pb20368676

side note - CC recently updated eewings to the sram 8 bolt mount. 

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Ambushell wrote:
I noticed some silver Crankbros wheels popping up, first in Brian Cahal's video on the new Ari Ebike, now on Commencal's Instagram. Hopefully these are releasing...

I noticed some silver Crankbros wheels popping up, first in Brian Cahal's video on the new Ari Ebike, now on Commencal's Instagram. Hopefully these are releasing soon. Silver rims absolutely need to come back!

 

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Heard DT will bring some too! 

Wheelsets only or rims too? I wanted to sandblast the EX511s for my current bike 2 years ago but then there were so many problems executing that that I gave up...

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5/8/2025 12:49pm
iceman2058 wrote:

And to keep the news rolling in, here's part 2 of our China Cycle 2025 coverage: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/members/china-cycle-2025-shanghai-part-2.

B Rabbit wrote:
Man, that Winice enduro bike looks awesome! How long till China does to the MTB market what they are about (doing) to do to the car market? they...

Man, that Winice enduro bike looks awesome! 
How long till China does to the MTB market what they are about (doing) to do to the car market? 
they already make the frames, they’ve just been lacking decent design. 
IMG 5881
Maybe we’ll be able to afford bikes again? 
 

Starunion MGM Looks the good too

How many Chinese actually ride MTB? I guess a lot more are into road cycling and if true, that shows. They are pressuring classic brands in the road market more and more, wheels are being developed left and right there.

If you're not into the scene, you can't do anything else but follow, which is what we are seeing more or less. So I'd be conservative and say it will take a while for MTB (in general) or at least longer than for the road scene...

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Not going to lie, I got Lewis brakes and ran them all last season and they've been amazing. More consistent and better modulation than my Shimano...

Not going to lie, I got Lewis brakes and ran them all last season and they've been amazing. More consistent and better modulation than my Shimano brakes and more than enough power to stop my 270lb self on Squamish slabs and dh tracks throughout Alberta and BC. No leaks. No sticky pistons. Easy to bleed. 

I didn't go out of my way to order them. My LBS brought a set in to check them out and I got a great deal on them to be the guinea pig and report back. You may not like them for ethical reasons, but you absolutely can't criticize them for their performance and reliability. 

***edit*** - I can only speak about my experience with the brakes. I wouldn't get the 5dev cranks, let alone the Lewis or any other knockoff version. 

"easy to bleed" it's just a plain lie, ok, with skills you can do everything, but a Intend brake is easy to bleed, if you need to do this: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5lD1eUBYyl/ to remove air it's everything but easy and just bad design at this point, copy 99% and you skip the part where they put the bleed port in the best position to remove all the air?

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5/8/2025 2:56pm Edited Date/Time 5/8/2025 5:44pm
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Not going to lie, I got Lewis brakes and ran them all last season and they've been amazing. More consistent and better modulation than my Shimano...

Not going to lie, I got Lewis brakes and ran them all last season and they've been amazing. More consistent and better modulation than my Shimano brakes and more than enough power to stop my 270lb self on Squamish slabs and dh tracks throughout Alberta and BC. No leaks. No sticky pistons. Easy to bleed. 

I didn't go out of my way to order them. My LBS brought a set in to check them out and I got a great deal on them to be the guinea pig and report back. You may not like them for ethical reasons, but you absolutely can't criticize them for their performance and reliability. 

***edit*** - I can only speak about my experience with the brakes. I wouldn't get the 5dev cranks, let alone the Lewis or any other knockoff version. 

Evil96 wrote:
"easy to bleed" it's just a plain lie, ok, with skills you can do everything, but a Intend brake is easy to bleed, if you need...

"easy to bleed" it's just a plain lie, ok, with skills you can do everything, but a Intend brake is easy to bleed, if you need to do this: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5lD1eUBYyl/ to remove air it's everything but easy and just bad design at this point, copy 99% and you skip the part where they put the bleed port in the best position to remove all the air?

As someone who runs Trickstuff, Lewis, SRAM and Shimano brakes across my fleet of bikes, I would consider Lewis brakes to be on the "easier side" of bleeding.  I am also very pleased with my Lewis LHT's.  

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earleb wrote:
Tube....you know like a round tube. Same as bikes were made from before molded carbon. You take a round tube and squish it a oval shape so...

Tube....you know like a round tube. Same as bikes were made from before molded carbon. 

You take a round tube and squish it a oval shape so it's optimized to the loads it's going to see. A tubular structure is better suited to the forces of a crank than an I-beam. 

See EEwings here. Drop the hirth joint, make them from steel, and use the available axle that everyone is using. Go with 8 bolt sram mount for rings so that there will be plenty of options and no special tool needed. They don't need to survive 30ft roof drops to flat like Profile cranks so can be a reasonable weight. 

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side note - CC recently updated eewings to the sram 8 bolt mount. 

Side side note: They also updated the fixing bolt to 8mm (so no more 14mm hex) BUT it's not backwards compatible.

The CC CSR I talked to said he was on a personal mission to get them to update that to make it fit the older cranks, so give them them a call and let them know if you want that too!

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Side side note: They also updated the fixing bolt to 8mm (so no more 14mm hex) BUT it's not backwards compatible.The CC CSR I talked to...

Side side note: They also updated the fixing bolt to 8mm (so no more 14mm hex) BUT it's not backwards compatible.

The CC CSR I talked to said he was on a personal mission to get them to update that to make it fit the older cranks, so give them them a call and let them know if you want that too!

Would very much like to switch both my sets of eewings from 14mm bolts to 8mm. I posted as much on their fb. I will drop them an email too I reckon.

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5/8/2025 3:49pm
earleb wrote:
Tube....you know like a round tube. Same as bikes were made from before molded carbon. You take a round tube and squish it a oval shape so...

Tube....you know like a round tube. Same as bikes were made from before molded carbon. 

You take a round tube and squish it a oval shape so it's optimized to the loads it's going to see. A tubular structure is better suited to the forces of a crank than an I-beam. 

See EEwings here. Drop the hirth joint, make them from steel, and use the available axle that everyone is using. Go with 8 bolt sram mount for rings so that there will be plenty of options and no special tool needed. They don't need to survive 30ft roof drops to flat like Profile cranks so can be a reasonable weight. 

p6pb20368676

10-4, thanks for clarifying your thoughts. And yes I am aware of tubes and their use in bicycle construction. I guess I was thinking you may have meant that crank "tubes" remain cylindrical instead of being shaped because hollow "tubular" cranks have been around for a long time.

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5/8/2025 5:44pm Edited Date/Time 5/8/2025 5:46pm
jonkranked wrote:
Would very much like to switch both my sets of eewings from 14mm bolts to 8mm. I posted as much on their fb. I will drop...

Would very much like to switch both my sets of eewings from 14mm bolts to 8mm. I posted as much on their fb. I will drop them an email too I reckon.

I made an adapter from a RF adapter. Used a bench grinder to turn it into 14mm(ish). https://www.raceface.com/products/tool-8-16mm-hex-adapter?srsltid=AfmBO…

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5/8/2025 6:48pm
earleb wrote:
Copying the 5Dev cranks tells you everything you need to know about a company. All they care about is looks. The originals are a horrible engineering...

Copying the 5Dev cranks tells you everything you need to know about a company. All they care about is looks. The originals are a horrible engineering design.

They should have copied Came Creek EEwings. But that would require some skilled welders and not just feeding a CNC machine.

Innovation would be using ultra high strength steel from the automotive industry and make a tubular crank that uses the same axles as RF, Cannondale , FSA and all the others that use that same axle. 

I'm curious about the tubular crank idea, not sure I understand exactly what you mean though (tubular crank arm?). Mind adding a little detail to that...

I'm curious about the tubular crank idea, not sure I understand exactly what you mean though (tubular crank arm?). Mind adding a little detail to that picture for me?

earleb wrote:
Tube....you know like a round tube. Same as bikes were made from before molded carbon. You take a round tube and squish it a oval shape so...

Tube....you know like a round tube. Same as bikes were made from before molded carbon. 

You take a round tube and squish it a oval shape so it's optimized to the loads it's going to see. A tubular structure is better suited to the forces of a crank than an I-beam. 

See EEwings here. Drop the hirth joint, make them from steel, and use the available axle that everyone is using. Go with 8 bolt sram mount for rings so that there will be plenty of options and no special tool needed. They don't need to survive 30ft roof drops to flat like Profile cranks so can be a reasonable weight. 

p6pb20368676

Every 18 months I poke CC about a steel Ewing... tooling is the big issue.

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I come here for the pictures of cool stuff not the endless chat about horrible looking cranks which the majority people won’t buy, can we please move on!?! 
 we are so close to the first WC pit bits of the season I’m getting a warm fuzzy feeling in my pants 

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5/8/2025 8:25pm
iceman2058 wrote:
Right on cue, here's our 1st gallery from the China Cycle 2025 show which just wrapped up after 4 intensive days in Shanghai: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/members/china-cycle-2025-shanghai. Lots...

Right on cue, here's our 1st gallery from the China Cycle 2025 show which just wrapped up after 4 intensive days in Shanghai: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/members/china-cycle-2025-shanghai. Lots of clones of course but lots of really interesting work being done too!

Some neat stuff in here. I know Vital doesn't have the budget to send someone to China for an extended period of time, but would be interesting to have a series covering the China scene (riders, small builders, trails etc). 

 

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5/8/2025 9:41pm
iceman2058 wrote:
Right on cue, here's our 1st gallery from the China Cycle 2025 show which just wrapped up after 4 intensive days in Shanghai: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/members/china-cycle-2025-shanghai. Lots...

Right on cue, here's our 1st gallery from the China Cycle 2025 show which just wrapped up after 4 intensive days in Shanghai: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/members/china-cycle-2025-shanghai. Lots of clones of course but lots of really interesting work being done too!

Some neat stuff in here. I know Vital doesn't have the budget to send someone to China for an extended period of time, but would be...

Some neat stuff in here. I know Vital doesn't have the budget to send someone to China for an extended period of time, but would be interesting to have a series covering the China scene (riders, small builders, trails etc). 

 

Would also be cool if some more info is shared regarding the products, or at least if there are websites of the manufacturers. For example, several frames are pretty interesting (ok, the high- and mid-pivot ones 😃), with bombastically-low prices, and one cannot check their details or try to buy. It’s like “see, here’s some pretty good product for an absolute bargain of a price… yeah, you can’t order, you can only watch pics!” 😅

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