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bermed
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4/15/2025 1:47pm

Is Maxxis SuperTacky a new compound, or just one that is not used often? I see it's specced on the new Bullit front tire.

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bermed wrote:

Is Maxxis SuperTacky a new compound, or just one that is not used often? I see it's specced on the new Bullit front tire.

Not on the Santa Cruz website it's not.  Text and photos there show MaxxGrip front, MaxxTerra rear.

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bermed wrote:

Is Maxxis SuperTacky a new compound, or just one that is not used often? I see it's specced on the new Bullit front tire.

"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."

all joking aside, yes its an older compound. while a good compound, definitely not used as much anymore, as maxxis has since released better offerings. 

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bermed wrote:

Is Maxxis SuperTacky a new compound, or just one that is not used often? I see it's specced on the new Bullit front tire.

jonkranked wrote:
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."all joking aside, yes its an...

"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."

all joking aside, yes its an older compound. while a good compound, definitely not used as much anymore, as maxxis has since released better offerings. 

Ahh the good old days of Slow Reezay and Super Tacky... 

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jonkranked wrote:
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."all joking aside, yes its an...

"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."

all joking aside, yes its an older compound. while a good compound, definitely not used as much anymore, as maxxis has since released better offerings. 

In my memory it was almost gooey and you could hear it peeling off rocks and flinging gravel like an angry octopus. I also remember side knobs tearing off if a berm sneezed at em and my gnarly friends could wear out a set in a few days, so there was that, too.

Would love to see those compound names resurrected though.

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4/15/2025 3:20pm
bermed wrote:

Is Maxxis SuperTacky a new compound, or just one that is not used often? I see it's specced on the new Bullit front tire.

jonkranked wrote:
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."all joking aside, yes its an...

"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."

all joking aside, yes its an older compound. while a good compound, definitely not used as much anymore, as maxxis has since released better offerings. 

Super Tacky isn’t used much anymore outside of the Wetscream. Essentially it’s the stickiest compound from MaxxGrip, but only that without the firmer base and center compounds. 

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The latest Michelin Wild Enduro MS tyres reminded me of supertacky, sticking to the floor when the bike had been sat for a while, flinging rocks up and generally being very sticky. 

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Super Tacky isn’t used much anymore outside of the Wetscream. Essentially it’s the stickiest compound from MaxxGrip, but only that without the firmer base and center...

Super Tacky isn’t used much anymore outside of the Wetscream. Essentially it’s the stickiest compound from MaxxGrip, but only that without the firmer base and center compounds. 

Slow reezay has been fully phased out, correct?

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iloveloam wrote:
Hi! This is my first post on this thread, but I have been reading for 2 years now. I talked with Sam pilgrim and a few other...

Hi! This is my first post on this thread, but I have been reading for 2 years now. 

I talked with Sam pilgrim and a few other canyon guys at Tennessee Nationals, and also got to swing a leg over the Production New canyon sender. Supposedly the bike was supposed to release April 12 (that’s what Sam said, he also verified that it was the production version he was riding) so there’s a chance maybe it is releasing this month still? His bike had a baby blue color with white canyon letters. The (production?) bike also was equipped with the KIS system. looked identical to the proto. You could see Sam riding it in his Tennessee race vlog from a few weeks ago. 

Take this information lightly since I have essentially no proof of this conversation with me and Sam lol, but he seems like a down to earth guy and I doubt he would just lie out of his ass. Unsure if this info has been covered or not.

Gwin mentioned the new Sender dropping soon on Moving the Needle. Kinda sucks it got delayed but I'd rather a bike release be postponed to fix some issues than to come out and immediately be recalled

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I clicked on the new SC ebike article on PB. Didn’t really read it, but one of the first lines was like “the bullit has a cult following for balancing travel with weight” Is that actually a real thing? I fortunately don’t get cornered in a room with ebike people, but when I do, they all gush about how frickin awesome having a super heavy bike is for descending. So what is it? A good balance, or the heavier the better?? Is that just SC sending some random script over to copy and paste into the article? Idk man I’m poor and will not be buying an ebike, just seems weird.
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Super Tacky isn’t used much anymore outside of the Wetscream. Essentially it’s the stickiest compound from MaxxGrip, but only that without the firmer base and center...

Super Tacky isn’t used much anymore outside of the Wetscream. Essentially it’s the stickiest compound from MaxxGrip, but only that without the firmer base and center compounds. 

jonkranked wrote:

Slow reezay has been fully phased out, correct?

Yes. RIP 😢

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nskerb wrote:
I clicked on the new SC ebike article on PB. Didn’t really read it, but one of the first lines was like “the bullit has a...
I clicked on the new SC ebike article on PB. Didn’t really read it, but one of the first lines was like “the bullit has a cult following for balancing travel with weight” Is that actually a real thing? I fortunately don’t get cornered in a room with ebike people, but when I do, they all gush about how frickin awesome having a super heavy bike is for descending. So what is it? A good balance, or the heavier the better?? Is that just SC sending some random script over to copy and paste into the article? Idk man I’m poor and will not be buying an ebike, just seems weird.

Realistically, they have a cult  like following because they were marked down like crazy when nobody really wanted the last Gen bike with a Shimano motor.  Whoever got a screaming deal on one loves the fact that they get to brag about riding a "cool brand" bike for so much less $$$ than MSRP. Pinkbike listed some nice traits about the bike, but didn't keep it real about why the bike has a cult like following IMO.

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bermed wrote:

Is Maxxis SuperTacky a new compound, or just one that is not used often? I see it's specced on the new Bullit front tire.

jonkranked wrote:
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."all joking aside, yes its an...

"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."

all joking aside, yes its an older compound. while a good compound, definitely not used as much anymore, as maxxis has since released better offerings. 

I've been riding for 15 years, but I was broke for the first 10 so I just rode whatever OEM tire came on my $500 hardtail 😜

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bermed wrote:

Is Maxxis SuperTacky a new compound, or just one that is not used often? I see it's specced on the new Bullit front tire.

jonkranked wrote:
"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."all joking aside, yes its an...

"tell me you started riding within the last 5 years without telling me you started riding within the last 5 years."

all joking aside, yes its an older compound. while a good compound, definitely not used as much anymore, as maxxis has since released better offerings. 

bermed wrote:
I've been riding for 15 years, but I was broke for the first 10 so I just rode whatever OEM tire came on my $500 hardtail...

I've been riding for 15 years, but I was broke for the first 10 so I just rode whatever OEM tire came on my $500 hardtail 😜

I remember my days of running Vee Rubber Ninja's at 40 psi in the wet. It's where I learned how to dance......

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not much of a hardtail nerd but these are pretty neat
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That rear brake mount can go fuck itself though.

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AgrAde wrote:

That rear brake mount can go fuck itself though.

Really, why would you use road mount on a mountain bike? I know there are adapters but PM is honestly the best mount there is...

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Because it's easier to mount it inside the triangle and actually adjust it because the bolts come in from the bottom. And the threads are in the caliper, so less work for the frame manufacturer again. 

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I’m a big proponent that steel hardtails should always have adjustable dropouts also so they can be run single speed.

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Likely. (Properly) changing a Vivid's travel is no trivial task, it's doubtful unless it's been through a shop. Anyway, go to MTBR for susp tech support.
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Likely.

 

(Properly) changing a Vivid's travel is no trivial task, it's doubtful unless it's been through a shop.

 

Anyway, go to MTBR for susp tech support.

If you want actual help I would personally recommend a suspension service centre

Your bias is showin' there, bub!

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iloveloam wrote:
Hi! This is my first post on this thread, but I have been reading for 2 years now. I talked with Sam pilgrim and a few other...

Hi! This is my first post on this thread, but I have been reading for 2 years now. 

I talked with Sam pilgrim and a few other canyon guys at Tennessee Nationals, and also got to swing a leg over the Production New canyon sender. Supposedly the bike was supposed to release April 12 (that’s what Sam said, he also verified that it was the production version he was riding) so there’s a chance maybe it is releasing this month still? His bike had a baby blue color with white canyon letters. The (production?) bike also was equipped with the KIS system. looked identical to the proto. You could see Sam riding it in his Tennessee race vlog from a few weeks ago. 

Take this information lightly since I have essentially no proof of this conversation with me and Sam lol, but he seems like a down to earth guy and I doubt he would just lie out of his ass. Unsure if this info has been covered or not.

majorjake wrote:

Any talk of an updated Strive?

Don’t remember hearing or seeing anything about the Strive. It was a Downhill event so…

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Primoz wrote:
Because it's easier to mount it inside the triangle and actually adjust it because the bolts come in from the bottom. And the threads are in...

Because it's easier to mount it inside the triangle and actually adjust it because the bolts come in from the bottom. And the threads are in the caliper, so less work for the frame manufacturer again. 

And more. Inside the triangle flat mount decouples shear forces across the chain and seat stays. Changes the cross-sectional shear on the seat stay into a compressive load up the length of the stay, vastly increasing load carrying capacity of the mount as a system, which in turn can result in thinner tubing, shaving weight and providing better ride feel for some. That same built in torque takeout can result in a quieter brake system. Maybe moot in MTB whirled, but a valid design concern on the roadie front. Additionally, should one go hamfisted on securing the caliper and roach a thread the frame isn't toast. Get a new caliper, bleed, and go on your way. I don't think it's perfect (it can def use more side-to-side adjustment to me), but there's a lot to appreciate about the design. Hayes was right on the old 22mm mounts. 

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HexonJuan wrote:
And more. Inside the triangle flat mount decouples shear forces across the chain and seat stays. Changes the cross-sectional shear on the seat stay into a...

And more. Inside the triangle flat mount decouples shear forces across the chain and seat stays. Changes the cross-sectional shear on the seat stay into a compressive load up the length of the stay, vastly increasing load carrying capacity of the mount as a system, which in turn can result in thinner tubing, shaving weight and providing better ride feel for some. That same built in torque takeout can result in a quieter brake system. Maybe moot in MTB whirled, but a valid design concern on the roadie front. Additionally, should one go hamfisted on securing the caliper and roach a thread the frame isn't toast. Get a new caliper, bleed, and go on your way. I don't think it's perfect (it can def use more side-to-side adjustment to me), but there's a lot to appreciate about the design. Hayes was right on the old 22mm mounts. 

I am old enough to have worked at a bicycle factory that manufactured bikes with the hayes 22mm mount, and old enough to have competed in stock trials, slalom and XC with a 22mm post mount.   

Afaik, every bike we manufactured with the 22mm mounts cracked at the chainstay, where the boss was mitered and welded in, and most of the Treks and Fishers I saw in the ds/street/huck meat space cracked too.   The only way to do this solution well offroad is to make a very long NDS drop chunk that integrates the brake mount into it.

Sram’s concentric brake mount patent is a much better solution to mounting on the chainstays, imo.

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HexonJuan wrote:
And more. Inside the triangle flat mount decouples shear forces across the chain and seat stays. Changes the cross-sectional shear on the seat stay into a...

And more. Inside the triangle flat mount decouples shear forces across the chain and seat stays. Changes the cross-sectional shear on the seat stay into a compressive load up the length of the stay, vastly increasing load carrying capacity of the mount as a system, which in turn can result in thinner tubing, shaving weight and providing better ride feel for some. That same built in torque takeout can result in a quieter brake system. Maybe moot in MTB whirled, but a valid design concern on the roadie front. Additionally, should one go hamfisted on securing the caliper and roach a thread the frame isn't toast. Get a new caliper, bleed, and go on your way. I don't think it's perfect (it can def use more side-to-side adjustment to me), but there's a lot to appreciate about the design. Hayes was right on the old 22mm mounts. 

mickey wrote:
I am old enough to have worked at a bicycle factory that manufactured bikes with the hayes 22mm mount, and old enough to have competed in...

I am old enough to have worked at a bicycle factory that manufactured bikes with the hayes 22mm mount, and old enough to have competed in stock trials, slalom and XC with a 22mm post mount.   

Afaik, every bike we manufactured with the 22mm mounts cracked at the chainstay, where the boss was mitered and welded in, and most of the Treks and Fishers I saw in the ds/street/huck meat space cracked too.   The only way to do this solution well offroad is to make a very long NDS drop chunk that integrates the brake mount into it.

Sram’s concentric brake mount patent is a much better solution to mounting on the chainstays, imo.

Color me cautiously optimistic about the concentric pivot. But real interesting about your experience with the 22s. Granted, most of the bikes back in our early days weight was a huge focus, but I can honestly say I haven't seen any of the old Trek/Fishers show up busted at the stay. Granted, there weren't a lotta street and trials riders around my parts, and the Trek fam of bicycles all had the mount cast into the dropout, not a separate piece. 

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HexonJuan wrote:
Color me cautiously optimistic about the concentric pivot. But real interesting about your experience with the 22s. Granted, most of the bikes back in our early...

Color me cautiously optimistic about the concentric pivot. But real interesting about your experience with the 22s. Granted, most of the bikes back in our early days weight was a huge focus, but I can honestly say I haven't seen any of the old Trek/Fishers show up busted at the stay. Granted, there weren't a lotta street and trials riders around my parts, and the Trek fam of bicycles all had the mount cast into the dropout, not a separate piece. 

I forgot to mention broken I.F.’s and Schwinn’s with 22mm post mount, too!  If you weren’t working in a factory or in the pits at every Norba National and Freestyle mtb event 20+ years ago, I could see missing the failures.  

 A consistent thing with most failed chainstays was that they… weren’t butted or formed with the disc mount in mind.  

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HexonJuan wrote:
Color me cautiously optimistic about the concentric pivot. But real interesting about your experience with the 22s. Granted, most of the bikes back in our early...

Color me cautiously optimistic about the concentric pivot. But real interesting about your experience with the 22s. Granted, most of the bikes back in our early days weight was a huge focus, but I can honestly say I haven't seen any of the old Trek/Fishers show up busted at the stay. Granted, there weren't a lotta street and trials riders around my parts, and the Trek fam of bicycles all had the mount cast into the dropout, not a separate piece. 

mickey wrote:
I forgot to mention broken I.F.’s and Schwinn’s with 22mm post mount, too!  If you weren’t working in a factory or in the pits at every...

I forgot to mention broken I.F.’s and Schwinn’s with 22mm post mount, too!  If you weren’t working in a factory or in the pits at every Norba National and Freestyle mtb event 20+ years ago, I could see missing the failures.  

 A consistent thing with most failed chainstays was that they… weren’t butted or formed with the disc mount in mind.  

Hahahaha! Then we might be able to say the mount itself wasn't necessarily the issue. One can only hope that any MTB co adopting FM has enough historical knowledge to spec appropriate chainstays! TBF, there were quite a number of bikes with IS mount related failures in the same timeframe. Those I did see. The OG Surly Instigator was a classic case around these parts.

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Flat mount in steel MTB is a recipe for disaster. There is very little chainstay remaining once you miter out space for the mount. It was designed for carbon with zero consideration for steel. 

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please don't respond about geo to this (or even respond at all), but just FYI, you can easily compare bikes and their geo in our product guide. here's a quick one i put together between a dreadnaught, firebird and sb165 - new bikes are being added all the time.

https://www.vitalmtb.com/product/compare/64471,64876,50471?sizes%5B%5D=50471%2C140291&sizes%5B%5D=64471%2C268071&sizes%5B%5D=64876%2C269856

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HexonJuan wrote:
And more. Inside the triangle flat mount decouples shear forces across the chain and seat stays. Changes the cross-sectional shear on the seat stay into a...

And more. Inside the triangle flat mount decouples shear forces across the chain and seat stays. Changes the cross-sectional shear on the seat stay into a compressive load up the length of the stay, vastly increasing load carrying capacity of the mount as a system, which in turn can result in thinner tubing, shaving weight and providing better ride feel for some. That same built in torque takeout can result in a quieter brake system. Maybe moot in MTB whirled, but a valid design concern on the roadie front. Additionally, should one go hamfisted on securing the caliper and roach a thread the frame isn't toast. Get a new caliper, bleed, and go on your way. I don't think it's perfect (it can def use more side-to-side adjustment to me), but there's a lot to appreciate about the design. Hayes was right on the old 22mm mounts. 

Despite this, the preferred answer is I.S. mounting. 

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sspomer wrote:
please don't respond about geo to this (or even respond at all), but just FYI, you can easily compare bikes and their geo in our product...

please don't respond about geo to this (or even respond at all), but just FYI, you can easily compare bikes and their geo in our product guide. here's a quick one i put together between a dreadnaught, firebird and sb165 - new bikes are being added all the time.

https://www.vitalmtb.com/product/compare/64471,64876,50471?sizes%5B%5D=50471%2C140291&sizes%5B%5D=64471%2C268071&sizes%5B%5D=64876%2C269856

Screenshot 2025-04-16 at 10.15.24 AM 1.png?VersionId=IAMJSKUIrnecsLtybea1Pj8

yeah, nah. bikeinsights is much better for these typ of comparisons.

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