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they just venmo me $2.79 per deletion. it's very rare we get asked to take anything down and in 16 years of being at vital, i don't remember any leaning/pressure from brands "if you don't do X, we'll hold back from working with you." just because something was here and goes away doesn't always mean we deleted it. we delete if asked by a brand b/c someone that shouldn't have had the info/photos/videos leaked the info/photos/videos or if an NDA was clearly broken. we don't delete if a product is out in public, if someone was careless with their hiding...

They have been using the Enduro seat stays on this and the previous iteration of the bike. Old one has sandwich hanger, new one has udh

The seat stays and chain stays look pretty refined. Like production ready type refined🤷🏻‍♂️

not much of a hardtail nerd but these are pretty neat

That rear brake mount can go fuck itself though.

Really, why would you use road mount on a mountain bike? I know there are adapters but PM is honestly the best mount there is...

I’m a big proponent that steel hardtails should always have adjustable dropouts also so they can be run single speed.

Your bias is showin' there, bub!

Gwin mentioned the new Sender dropping soon on Moving the Needle. Kinda sucks it got delayed but I'd rather a bike release be postponed to fix some issues than to come out and immediately be recalled

6 year old thread with relevant info. Ninjichor has a solid post in there. They aren’t getting into stack but you’re right, if you want more stack you’ll need more RC. That’s partially where a lot of us are basing our RC religion on. https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/Advanced-geometry-nerding,103… I think a lot of us need to spend our time in a thread like that. I know geo is part of tech but we’re getting really esoteric 🧐

i love you friggin nerds. all bikes are great somewhere. all bikes suck somewhere. get moar bikes. short chainstays are cool. long stays are pretty wild too. dorado FEELS way different to 40. Way. but thats the point right? I feel like santa cruz screwed up by not making bullit "MOST BIGGER" (battery/travel/geo) compared to VALA. but my ebike is a 2stroke. so maybe im way off.

I bet Canyon retained Sam to help design bikes for the DIY mechanic...

As someone who frequently lurks in this thread, I would love to see more moderation of the off-topic replies. I know threads are frequently spun off this one (like tires), but some of the frequent posters in the last month have never contributed to the topic at hand, other than to share their opinions and anecdotes. LAME!

As someone who has been on this thread a while I'll say: Leave the banter I feel like this thread does a good job of balancing Tech rumors and general Tech discussion that may seem off topic, of which Crab link is our proudest moment. The banter around the tech is just as important as the tech. If you just want a hot-list of rumors about stuff coming out, then well look elsewhere.