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Primoz wrote:

Says paralel rezy, meaning the 2026 variant will come in either or options, paralel or sideways? 

I saw that and thought maybe remote options

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2/8/2025 12:16am Edited Date/Time 2/8/2025 12:49pm
Looks like it is still lugs with carbon tubes. Maybe a new iteration? (From Jordan Williams' IG)

Looks like it is still lugs with carbon tubes. Maybe a new iteration? (From Jordan Williams' IG)

Screenshot 2025-02-07-22-13-38-621 com.instagram.androidScreenshot 2025-02-07-22-13-43-719 com.instagram.android

Who posted this? 

Jordan Williams. I updated my post since the top of the screen was cut out.

wasn‘t jordan also late on the lugged proto? loic and finn were already on the proto while jordan was riding the old alu demo. maybe there is/are only 1 or 2 of this new demo available now. or jordan could be riding what he knows for now after coming back from injury.

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mickey wrote:
Classified hubs?  Nah.I am testing one on a road bike, even in that application the extra weight on the rear wheel throws off handling enough for...

Classified hubs?  Nah.

I am testing one on a road bike, even in that application the extra weight on the rear wheel throws off handling enough for me to not be interested in the product.   Adding all that  extra mass at your rear axle?  No thanks.

You are aware of people are running 600g cassettes these days,right? And dh casing tires on double blue flow trails lol

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Fred_Pop wrote:
I take it you don't have or ride very steep long climbs around your area. I'm currently running a rear 52T cog with a front 22T...

I take it you don't have or ride very steep long climbs around your area. I'm currently running a rear 52T cog with a front 22T chainring. I'd love a 60T cog so I could run a bigger chainring.

Some of you are way too sensitive. Different sized cassettes are good options for different people and different riding terrain. Not everyone needs a big wide range cassette all the time.
 

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2/8/2025 3:35am
I can hear it squelching already.
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I can hear it squelching already.

Haha that hits right home 😄

If they managed to make it resist the extreme pressures that Asa must have put though that shock, my respects to Fox. 

I highly doubt that they didn't have to rebuild the thing every two runs, though. But one can dream...

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Fred_Pop wrote:
I take it you don't have or ride very steep long climbs around your area. I'm currently running a rear 52T cog with a front 22T...

I take it you don't have or ride very steep long climbs around your area. I'm currently running a rear 52T cog with a front 22T chainring. I'd love a 60T cog so I could run a bigger chainring.

smelly wrote:
Some of you are way too sensitive. Different sized cassettes are good options for different people and different riding terrain. Not everyone needs a big wide...

Some of you are way too sensitive. Different sized cassettes are good options for different people and different riding terrain. Not everyone needs a big wide range cassette all the time.
 

Whatcha mean Chaz, doesn’t everyone live in Squamish? 

For places where climbs and descents are less than a minute long(most places on earth) modern tractor pulling gearing seems a little… off.

I wish more bikes(looking at you Fuel EX Gen 6) could fit bigger chainrings so we could make better use of the wide range casettes.   

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The part of me that rode nothing but single speed for a decade laughs internally.

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2/8/2025 9:42am

This looks like a sleek implementation of a Tuned Mass Damper:

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2/8/2025 10:45am Edited Date/Time 2/8/2025 10:47am
iceman2058 wrote:

This looks like a sleek implementation of a Tuned Mass Damper:

I totally get the idea of what these are supposed to do but even they admit it's not a true damper. https://www.rimpactmtb.com/tmd

It seems to be just springs with no damper on the unit so it's a shake weight, any momentum in the weight "smoothing" the trail has an equal or greater opposite effect, right? It's basically a Canyon KIS but for a different purpose or a fork/shock with the damper removed... aka a pogo stick. 

Not hating, just trying to read through the marketing. 

 

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2/8/2025 10:59am
iceman2058 wrote:

This looks like a sleek implementation of a Tuned Mass Damper:

I totally get the idea of what these are supposed to do but even they admit it's not a true damper. https://www.rimpactmtb.com/tmdIt seems to be...

I totally get the idea of what these are supposed to do but even they admit it's not a true damper. https://www.rimpactmtb.com/tmd

It seems to be just springs with no damper on the unit so it's a shake weight, any momentum in the weight "smoothing" the trail has an equal or greater opposite effect, right? It's basically a Canyon KIS but for a different purpose or a fork/shock with the damper removed... aka a pogo stick. 

Not hating, just trying to read through the marketing. 

 

the KIS was more similar to a Hopey steering damper in that in provides resistance to turning and in the case of the KIS, help it recenter.  

The TMD is a free floating mass that helps dampen certain frequencies by oscillating between the two springs. 

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Primoz wrote:

Says paralel rezy, meaning the 2026 variant will come in either or options, paralel or sideways? 

Spec also lists Evol LV which likely reflects the larger air can shape.

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2/8/2025 1:11pm Edited Date/Time 2/8/2025 1:14pm
iceman2058 wrote:

This looks like a sleek implementation of a Tuned Mass Damper:

I totally get the idea of what these are supposed to do but even they admit it's not a true damper. https://www.rimpactmtb.com/tmdIt seems to be...

I totally get the idea of what these are supposed to do but even they admit it's not a true damper. https://www.rimpactmtb.com/tmd

It seems to be just springs with no damper on the unit so it's a shake weight, any momentum in the weight "smoothing" the trail has an equal or greater opposite effect, right? It's basically a Canyon KIS but for a different purpose or a fork/shock with the damper removed... aka a pogo stick. 

Not hating, just trying to read through the marketing. 

 

Yep. It's a shakeweight.

A weight (or "mass") on a piston that can damp the intensity of the oscillations ("shakes") of the structure to which it's attached. That damping can be tuned to target certain frequencies of oscillations.

That Wikipedia article Primoz mentioned is really informative. Here it is again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuned_mass_damper

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2/8/2025 1:31pm
iceman2058 wrote:

This looks like a sleek implementation of a Tuned Mass Damper:

I totally get the idea of what these are supposed to do but even they admit it's not a true damper. https://www.rimpactmtb.com/tmdIt seems to be...

I totally get the idea of what these are supposed to do but even they admit it's not a true damper. https://www.rimpactmtb.com/tmd

It seems to be just springs with no damper on the unit so it's a shake weight, any momentum in the weight "smoothing" the trail has an equal or greater opposite effect, right? It's basically a Canyon KIS but for a different purpose or a fork/shock with the damper removed... aka a pogo stick. 

Not hating, just trying to read through the marketing. 

 

Yep. It's a shakeweight.A weight (or "mass") on a piston that can damp the intensity of the oscillations ("shakes") of the structure to which it's attached...

Yep. It's a shakeweight.

A weight (or "mass") on a piston that can damp the intensity of the oscillations ("shakes") of the structure to which it's attached. That damping can be tuned to target certain frequencies of oscillations.

That Wikipedia article Primoz mentioned is really informative. Here it is again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuned_mass_damper

Imagine the look on his face when he finds out people put gigantic shake weights in sky scrapers to mitigate earthquakes 

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NY_Star wrote:
I believe they still are and you can assume most bikes that DW has a hand in the design and manufacturing are made in the same...

I believe they still are and you can assume most bikes that DW has a hand in the design and manufacturing are made in the same locations. 

https://www.importinfo.com/very-impressive-prospect-co-ltd

Screenshot 2025-02-05 at 18.34.03

This is one of the stranger uses of a Sankey diagram I've seen...  What is it even saying?

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I totally get the idea of what these are supposed to do but even they admit it's not a true damper. https://www.rimpactmtb.com/tmdIt seems to be...

I totally get the idea of what these are supposed to do but even they admit it's not a true damper. https://www.rimpactmtb.com/tmd

It seems to be just springs with no damper on the unit so it's a shake weight, any momentum in the weight "smoothing" the trail has an equal or greater opposite effect, right? It's basically a Canyon KIS but for a different purpose or a fork/shock with the damper removed... aka a pogo stick. 

Not hating, just trying to read through the marketing. 

 

Yep. It's a shakeweight.A weight (or "mass") on a piston that can damp the intensity of the oscillations ("shakes") of the structure to which it's attached...

Yep. It's a shakeweight.

A weight (or "mass") on a piston that can damp the intensity of the oscillations ("shakes") of the structure to which it's attached. That damping can be tuned to target certain frequencies of oscillations.

That Wikipedia article Primoz mentioned is really informative. Here it is again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuned_mass_damper

Imagine the look on his face when he finds out people put gigantic shake weights in sky scrapers to mitigate earthquakes 

I think it's actually used more to lower the swinging of the skyscraper because of wind loading. But yeah, the most widespread use is in skyscrapers. 

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Ok guys sorry, I'm late to the party, but I can't find any info about that Fox fork leak. 

Has anyone saved any photos or heard any rumors?

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iceman2058 wrote:

This looks like a sleek implementation of a Tuned Mass Damper:

I totally get the idea of what these are supposed to do but even they admit it's not a true damper. https://www.rimpactmtb.com/tmdIt seems to be...

I totally get the idea of what these are supposed to do but even they admit it's not a true damper. https://www.rimpactmtb.com/tmd

It seems to be just springs with no damper on the unit so it's a shake weight, any momentum in the weight "smoothing" the trail has an equal or greater opposite effect, right? It's basically a Canyon KIS but for a different purpose or a fork/shock with the damper removed... aka a pogo stick. 

Not hating, just trying to read through the marketing. 

 

Yep. It's a shakeweight.A weight (or "mass") on a piston that can damp the intensity of the oscillations ("shakes") of the structure to which it's attached...

Yep. It's a shakeweight.

A weight (or "mass") on a piston that can damp the intensity of the oscillations ("shakes") of the structure to which it's attached. That damping can be tuned to target certain frequencies of oscillations.

That Wikipedia article Primoz mentioned is really informative. Here it is again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuned_mass_damper

I'm more of a slap chop guy than a shake weight one.

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NY_Star wrote:
I believe they still are and you can assume most bikes that DW has a hand in the design and manufacturing are made in the same...

I believe they still are and you can assume most bikes that DW has a hand in the design and manufacturing are made in the same locations. 

https://www.importinfo.com/very-impressive-prospect-co-ltd

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boozed wrote:

This is one of the stranger uses of a Sankey diagram I've seen...  What is it even saying?

Not much i think....... Im pretty sure it does not define shipments in vs out. So just any connection is made between supplier or customer with no regard on who is who in the relationship.

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tripo19 wrote:
Ok guys sorry, I'm late to the party, but I can't find any info about that Fox fork leak. Has anyone saved any photos or heard any...

Ok guys sorry, I'm late to the party, but I can't find any info about that Fox fork leak. 

Has anyone saved any photos or heard any rumors?

Fox asked Vital to remove those posts, so I doubt we're gonna hear anything more on the fox product side. 

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2/9/2025 6:55am Edited Date/Time 2/9/2025 7:16am

Is Hope about to come out with a new version of the Tech brakes? This looks suspiciously like a bleed port, which may see the end of those messy open reservoir bleeds. Presumably if that's what it is, you'd just need to orient the lever downwards to ensure the bleed port is at the highest point (which would also allow any bubbles to flow around the internal membrane, which typically has a pretty intricate shape). Pic of Adam Brayton's bike on Hope's insta:

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2/9/2025 7:03am Edited Date/Time 2/9/2025 7:04am
iceman2058 wrote:
Is Hope about to come out with a new version of the Tech brakes? This looks suspiciously like a bleed port, which may see the end...

Is Hope about to come out with a new version of the Tech brakes? This looks suspiciously like a bleed port, which may see the end of those messy open reservoir bleeds. Presumably if that's what it is, you'd just need to orient the lever downwards to ensure the bleed port is at the highest point (which would also allow any bubbles to flow around the internal membrane, which typically has a pretty intricate shape). Pic of Adam Brayton's bike on Hope's insta:

new hope

Looks kinda like it, keen to see what it ends up being! They're also custom shorter levers by the looks of things, as the default ones don't have that kink in them.

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Looks kinda like it, keen to see what it ends up being! They're also custom shorter levers by the looks of things, as the default ones...

Looks kinda like it, keen to see what it ends up being! They're also custom shorter levers by the looks of things, as the default ones don't have that kink in them.

I hope they make that lever an option. I love Hope stuff and really want Tech4's but i just can't get on with that lever shape (stupid I know).

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2/9/2025 8:28am
Looks kinda like it, keen to see what it ends up being! They're also custom shorter levers by the looks of things, as the default ones...

Looks kinda like it, keen to see what it ends up being! They're also custom shorter levers by the looks of things, as the default ones don't have that kink in them.

gibbon wrote:
I hope they make that lever an option. I love Hope stuff and really want Tech4's but i just can't get on with that lever shape...

I hope they make that lever an option. I love Hope stuff and really want Tech4's but i just can't get on with that lever shape (stupid I know).

I don't think it's stupid, I have to run my levers really far inboard with a large gap between the clamp and grip, I'd love a shortened lever, but they can't really be beat anyway on power and light lever feel, except for maybe Hayes.

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Looks kinda like it, keen to see what it ends up being! They're also custom shorter levers by the looks of things, as the default ones...

Looks kinda like it, keen to see what it ends up being! They're also custom shorter levers by the looks of things, as the default ones don't have that kink in them.

gibbon wrote:
I hope they make that lever an option. I love Hope stuff and really want Tech4's but i just can't get on with that lever shape...

I hope they make that lever an option. I love Hope stuff and really want Tech4's but i just can't get on with that lever shape (stupid I know).

i thought the same coming from the beautiful Oak on Magura, but i'm liking them with no issues, and i thought i'd never.

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Pretty sure that’s just the trials lever blade.

R6N iirc. You can buy them from Hope bit they don’t have any pictures

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2/9/2025 10:32am Edited Date/Time 2/9/2025 10:34am

A lot of new regarding brakes these past pages. XTR, Mavens, Hope, and now another addition from SRAM I have spotted.

Ben Hildred is doing his climbing challenge, where he climbs 10k feet a day, for 100 days, and I spotted him covering up the caliper on his latest story - Strange, because I thought he just ran regular Level Ultimate Stealth's - But went through his old stories from these past climbs, and managed to spot two pics of a caliper, that size-wise looks like a level, but it differs in shape. It also seems to say "Prototype" when you zoom in on phone. Pic quality here doesnt really translate though.

This challenge is probably a very good test for most of the components on his bike, so no wonder sram wants to torture test some brakes. He's also running the yet to be released new axs dropper. 

 

From his story today

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Managed to see a pic with a text that looks to say "prototype" - You can also see that the side of the caliper is flat, compared to the current level brake which has a "ridge" in the side (see pic at bottom)
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"SRAM" seems to be etched/laser engraved on top of the caliper

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Current level ultimate caliper
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Yep. It's a shakeweight.A weight (or "mass") on a piston that can damp the intensity of the oscillations ("shakes") of the structure to which it's attached...

Yep. It's a shakeweight.

A weight (or "mass") on a piston that can damp the intensity of the oscillations ("shakes") of the structure to which it's attached. That damping can be tuned to target certain frequencies of oscillations.

That Wikipedia article Primoz mentioned is really informative. Here it is again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuned_mass_damper

Imagine the look on his face when he finds out people put gigantic shake weights in sky scrapers to mitigate earthquakes 

Primoz wrote:

I think it's actually used more to lower the swinging of the skyscraper because of wind loading. But yeah, the most widespread use is in skyscrapers. 

Yes, we use mass dampers to control wind accelerations in skyscrapers.  They are basic shake weights suspended on springs. Slosh tanks are often used too. These are purely for occupancy comfort. 

They can be used for strength design but then they need to be active dampers to react to all frequencies. 

Because if this, they are rarely used for strength design and almost never used in seismic design (as no one knows what frequency earthquake the building will actually see). 

These shake weights will improve hand comfort but at the cost of bike playfulness. 

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Roryb wrote:
Yes, we use mass dampers to control wind accelerations in skyscrapers.  They are basic shake weights suspended on springs. Slosh tanks are often used too. These...

Yes, we use mass dampers to control wind accelerations in skyscrapers.  They are basic shake weights suspended on springs. Slosh tanks are often used too. These are purely for occupancy comfort. 

They can be used for strength design but then they need to be active dampers to react to all frequencies. 

Because if this, they are rarely used for strength design and almost never used in seismic design (as no one knows what frequency earthquake the building will actually see). 

These shake weights will improve hand comfort but at the cost of bike playfulness. 

I can tell you the countershox doesn‘t make my bike any less „playful“. I mean if you want a freeride/big jumps or light trail/xc bike you probably wouldn‘t put it on in the first place. 

Besides the actual weight I don‘t notice any different or weird feeling when jumping or trying to move the bike around fast. Whereas the added stability and comfort are huge. 

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