In the "Creator Story" video published by specialized, Matt Hunter looks to be riding an alloy version of the bike, complete with wired (Mechanical) Shimano drivetrain.
My two cents on pricing: give it 6+ months. When has Specialized not rolled out more options with time? The builds at launch are a few hundred dollars more than the previous Stumpys, but they are also within touch of where there bikes have been.
It's like anything new—there will be the early adopters who don't mind paying top dollar to have the latest and greatest. Then, the rest of us will get on board when we can justify the cost. Or we'll just keep riding our 2021 Stumpy and texting on our iPhone 6. Right , @sspomer?
In the "Creator Story" video published by specialized, Matt Hunter looks to be riding an alloy version of the bike, complete with wired (Mechanical) Shimano drivetrain. ...
In the "Creator Story" video published by specialized, Matt Hunter looks to be riding an alloy version of the bike, complete with wired (Mechanical) Shimano drivetrain.
If you own an EVO, dont buy the stumpy 15................. The geo is basically the same lol. Leverage update is irrelevant when the cascade link exists.... You cant even run mechanical drivetrains lmao.
This update is just a way to combine the stumpy and EVO models together, less SKU like trek.
Okay I hate proprietary stuff as much as the next guy but this shock is not proprietary, its a normal stroke and eye to eye shock...
Okay I hate proprietary stuff as much as the next guy but this shock is not proprietary, its a normal stroke and eye to eye shock you can put any other shock in its place. If you were going to say anything is proprietary on this bike its the drivetrain more than the shock, it can only be replaced with other wireless drivetrains from Sram.
If anything is representative of the mountain bike industry its moving to wireless drivetrains exclusively, lets take a system that has worked great with a 25 cent cable and replace it with a wireless battery powered system for the pure sake of selling more shit.
It's not proprietary per say, however the long, sad road of specialized suspension made for their bikes has many bikes in the world left useless. I currently have two 10 year old S-works bikes that used their forks from 10 years ago that need lower cups that no longer exist to put on a reg fork and there are only a few service places that seem to be able to service them. Specialized isn't in it alone, Cannondale and Trek are both in the same boat with specialized shocks, but all these special shocks that only they use are usually a disaster or hard to service or replace in the long run and support seems to be dropped on numerous platforms after a short life span. Designing a shock for a bike with a 4 year life span that only certain shops will even ever see will limit serviceability for how much of an actual advantage over standard shocks?
I am legit interested in how it rides but I feel like consumers have been burned too many times by this style of shock. I know many of my customers have sworn off Specialized because they've been bit by long term serviceability of products that shouldn't just get kicked to the curb because of a single product cycle. Paying 800$+ for a new shock after a few years on a $7000+ bike because the company decided to go in a different direction instead of a service is kind of shit.
In the "Creator Story" video published by specialized, Matt Hunter looks to be riding an alloy version of the bike, complete with wired (Mechanical) Shimano drivetrain. ...
In the "Creator Story" video published by specialized, Matt Hunter looks to be riding an alloy version of the bike, complete with wired (Mechanical) Shimano drivetrain.
If you own an EVO, dont buy the stumpy 15................. The geo is basically the same lol. Leverage update is irrelevant when the cascade link exists...
If you own an EVO, dont buy the stumpy 15................. The geo is basically the same lol. Leverage update is irrelevant when the cascade link exists.... You cant even run mechanical drivetrains lmao.
This update is just a way to combine the stumpy and EVO models together, less SKU like trek.
although the one that would need a cascade link is the new one being way stiffer off the top vs the current EVO
99.999% chance that it won't happen but I would like to see Specialized sell the genie shock with the correct damping tune (if it actually need a different one compared to the gen15) for gen14 Stumpy Evo owners. This would boost the numbers of shock in circulation so suspension service center might be more interested in learning and stocking parts to service it.
99.999% chance that it won't happen but I would like to see Specialized sell the genie shock with the correct damping tune (if it actually need...
99.999% chance that it won't happen but I would like to see Specialized sell the genie shock with the correct damping tune (if it actually need a different one compared to the gen15) for gen14 Stumpy Evo owners. This would boost the numbers of shock in circulation so suspension service center might be more interested in learning and stocking parts to service it.
"learning and stocking parts to service it" implies that specialized actually give us the option of buying those parts and tools to service and repair them. Dealers will definitely gloss over this fact during the sale too, or even imply that we will be able to do it, which certainly hasn't been the case in the past. But hey, I'm sure they will be happy to pay another thousand bucks USD to just replace it instead!!!
I literally do not have polite words to describe this
"learning and stocking parts to service it" implies that specialized actually give us the option of buying those parts and tools to service and repair them...
"learning and stocking parts to service it" implies that specialized actually give us the option of buying those parts and tools to service and repair them. Dealers will definitely gloss over this fact during the sale too, or even imply that we will be able to do it, which certainly hasn't been the case in the past. But hey, I'm sure they will be happy to pay another thousand bucks USD to just replace it instead!!!
I literally do not have polite words to describe this
I’m gonna go against the grain of most of you. I actually think the wireless only is a smart move. (Presuming they are releasing an alloy model that can run mechanical drivetrains). Having an already premium carbon bike that can only run wireless makes it seem a little “more premium.” People that drive Rivians and Teslas to the trail head will love that their bike is exclusively wireless. While the people that drive 20 year old lifted Tacomas will get the option of the alloy version.
I’m sure specialized has done their homework and they know that the amount of people that won’t buy the new stumpjumper simply because of the wireless only is extremely low, and a good percentage of them will be happy to buy the alloy when it’s released. It almost seems like a sneaky way to build up demand for when the alloy is eventually released.
I’m gonna go against the grain of most of you. I actually think the wireless only is a smart move. (Presuming they are releasing an alloy...
I’m gonna go against the grain of most of you. I actually think the wireless only is a smart move. (Presuming they are releasing an alloy model that can run mechanical drivetrains). Having an already premium carbon bike that can only run wireless makes it seem a little “more premium.” People that drive Rivians and Teslas to the trail head will love that their bike is exclusively wireless. While the people that drive 20 year old lifted Tacomas will get the option of the alloy version.
I’m sure specialized has done their homework and they know that the amount of people that won’t buy the new stumpjumper simply because of the wireless only is extremely low, and a good percentage of them will be happy to buy the alloy when it’s released. It almost seems like a sneaky way to build up demand for when the alloy is eventually released.
"learning and stocking parts to service it" implies that specialized actually give us the option of buying those parts and tools to service and repair them...
"learning and stocking parts to service it" implies that specialized actually give us the option of buying those parts and tools to service and repair them. Dealers will definitely gloss over this fact during the sale too, or even imply that we will be able to do it, which certainly hasn't been the case in the past. But hey, I'm sure they will be happy to pay another thousand bucks USD to just replace it instead!!!
I literally do not have polite words to describe this
Maybe? Fox seems to have been able to service the countless generations of brain shocks in the past although that wasn't the case for rockshox. That also means you hopefully have a Fox service centre that is able to stock enough parts and can turn it around in a reasonable time. It still means they need a huge number of extra part numbers and tools that historically hasn't been plentiful in supply.....try to buy the "low compression ratio" air can for a Levo DPX2 and see what I mean! Some countries might have it better than others but its certainly not a given
Or you're Chaz Maz and you just throw on the same shock from your old Stumpy and call it good.
Or you're Chaz Maz and you just throw on the same shock from your old Stumpy and call it good.
I always wondered about this. When the whole big new marketing part of this bike is the Genie shock, what are none Fox sponsored Specialized athletes supposed to do? Always seemed weird to have proprietary branded equipment on bikes.
I always wondered about this. When the whole big new marketing part of this bike is the Genie shock, what are none Fox sponsored Specialized athletes...
I always wondered about this. When the whole big new marketing part of this bike is the Genie shock, what are none Fox sponsored Specialized athletes supposed to do? Always seemed weird to have proprietary branded equipment on bikes.
Or, on the flip side, what about Specialized riders who aren't sponsored by SRAM for drivetrains?
Okay I hate proprietary stuff as much as the next guy but this shock is not proprietary, its a normal stroke and eye to eye shock...
Okay I hate proprietary stuff as much as the next guy but this shock is not proprietary, its a normal stroke and eye to eye shock you can put any other shock in its place. If you were going to say anything is proprietary on this bike its the drivetrain more than the shock, it can only be replaced with other wireless drivetrains from Sram.
If anything is representative of the mountain bike industry its moving to wireless drivetrains exclusively, lets take a system that has worked great with a 25 cent cable and replace it with a wireless battery powered system for the pure sake of selling more shit.
Correct, the GENIE shock can be swapped with any 210x55 shock. The patent-pending proprietary part is the two-chamber design.
Lets make a frame characteristics around a shock people actually don’t need to use… that just doesn’t make sense.
That would mean Genie is more of a marketing rather adding anything OR while you can swap for any shock (lets not let people freak out) the ride will be crap.
I always wondered about this. When the whole big new marketing part of this bike is the Genie shock, what are none Fox sponsored Specialized athletes...
I always wondered about this. When the whole big new marketing part of this bike is the Genie shock, what are none Fox sponsored Specialized athletes supposed to do? Always seemed weird to have proprietary branded equipment on bikes.
I don't think this frame's kinematics are as weird as the custom Genie shock would make it seem. It seems like a big volume/linear air can on a Super Deluxe with HBO would be comparable in function. A coil with HBO would be even better as long as the coil is approved for the Stumpy's clevis shock mount. Maybe tune your compression shims for a lower leverage rate and rebound shims for lower spring rates.
I always wondered about this. When the whole big new marketing part of this bike is the Genie shock, what are none Fox sponsored Specialized athletes...
I always wondered about this. When the whole big new marketing part of this bike is the Genie shock, what are none Fox sponsored Specialized athletes supposed to do? Always seemed weird to have proprietary branded equipment on bikes.
I don't think this frame's kinematics are as weird as the custom Genie shock would make it seem. It seems like a big volume/linear air can...
I don't think this frame's kinematics are as weird as the custom Genie shock would make it seem. It seems like a big volume/linear air can on a Super Deluxe with HBO would be comparable in function. A coil with HBO would be even better as long as the coil is approved for the Stumpy's clevis shock mount. Maybe tune your compression shims for a lower leverage rate and rebound shims for lower spring rates.
I agree, the bike doesn’t need the genie shock, it’s just a selling point for bikes shops seeing as 95% of people that buy the new Stumpy will never run a different shock. For Non-Fox riders and people that like to tinker, they will find other shocks/setups that ride just as good/better than the OEM shock.
I hate to make another car analogy, but, it’s the same reason people buy TRD Pro versions of Toyota vehicles. They would never go through the trouble of swapping out their OEM suspension but if it comes from the factory with “better” suspension, they’ll gladly hand over an extra 10k.
I always wondered about this. When the whole big new marketing part of this bike is the Genie shock, what are none Fox sponsored Specialized athletes...
I always wondered about this. When the whole big new marketing part of this bike is the Genie shock, what are none Fox sponsored Specialized athletes supposed to do? Always seemed weird to have proprietary branded equipment on bikes.
I don't think this frame's kinematics are as weird as the custom Genie shock would make it seem. It seems like a big volume/linear air can...
I don't think this frame's kinematics are as weird as the custom Genie shock would make it seem. It seems like a big volume/linear air can on a Super Deluxe with HBO would be comparable in function. A coil with HBO would be even better as long as the coil is approved for the Stumpy's clevis shock mount. Maybe tune your compression shims for a lower leverage rate and rebound shims for lower spring rates.
Yeah pretty much - Genie doesn't seem to do much more than a simple bump stop (I joked about that but its a good way to do it)
A lot of stock damper tunes are quite "conservative" and while they suit the bike can usually be improved on a lot. I'm sure back to back tests of the OE choices will feel like the genie shock works better but you could easily step it up again with careful selection of already existing tunes in something like a Float X or Super Deluxe
In the "Creator Story" video published by specialized, Matt Hunter looks to be riding an alloy version of the bike, complete with wired (Mechanical) Shimano drivetrain.
My two cents on pricing: give it 6+ months. When has Specialized not rolled out more options with time? The builds at launch are a few hundred dollars more than the previous Stumpys, but they are also within touch of where there bikes have been.
It's like anything new—there will be the early adopters who don't mind paying top dollar to have the latest and greatest. Then, the rest of us will get on board when we can justify the cost. Or we'll just keep riding our 2021 Stumpy and texting on our iPhone 6. Right , @sspomer?
Bike executives right now.
I dont even think Scott would do this one. Like wow.
Big S is watching us
This make me 100% certain that 12 sp Di2 mtb is imminent.
Not imminent,coming in around Dec.
Xt and Xtr full wireless (ala AXS).
If you own an EVO, dont buy the stumpy 15................. The geo is basically the same lol. Leverage update is irrelevant when the cascade link exists.... You cant even run mechanical drivetrains lmao.
This update is just a way to combine the stumpy and EVO models together, less SKU like trek.
It's not proprietary per say, however the long, sad road of specialized suspension made for their bikes has many bikes in the world left useless. I currently have two 10 year old S-works bikes that used their forks from 10 years ago that need lower cups that no longer exist to put on a reg fork and there are only a few service places that seem to be able to service them. Specialized isn't in it alone, Cannondale and Trek are both in the same boat with specialized shocks, but all these special shocks that only they use are usually a disaster or hard to service or replace in the long run and support seems to be dropped on numerous platforms after a short life span. Designing a shock for a bike with a 4 year life span that only certain shops will even ever see will limit serviceability for how much of an actual advantage over standard shocks?
I am legit interested in how it rides but I feel like consumers have been burned too many times by this style of shock. I know many of my customers have sworn off Specialized because they've been bit by long term serviceability of products that shouldn't just get kicked to the curb because of a single product cycle. Paying 800$+ for a new shock after a few years on a $7000+ bike because the company decided to go in a different direction instead of a service is kind of shit.
HOLY CRAP!
also Orbea Rise model updates including 3 alloy versions
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/five-new-orbea-rise-models-three-ar…
watching and doing the opposite of what we think,
at least i don't think it's only me to think going axs only is not great, geo looks sick tho
although the one that would need a cascade link is the new one being way stiffer off the top vs the current EVO
99.999% chance that it won't happen but I would like to see Specialized sell the genie shock with the correct damping tune (if it actually need a different one compared to the gen15) for gen14 Stumpy Evo owners. This would boost the numbers of shock in circulation so suspension service center might be more interested in learning and stocking parts to service it.
"learning and stocking parts to service it" implies that specialized actually give us the option of buying those parts and tools to service and repair them. Dealers will definitely gloss over this fact during the sale too, or even imply that we will be able to do it, which certainly hasn't been the case in the past. But hey, I'm sure they will be happy to pay another thousand bucks USD to just replace it instead!!!
I literally do not have polite words to describe this
Alloy Stumpjumper 15 from the creator story video.
SpecialEd - we created this new shock blah blah blah
Ohlins - Uh we can just provide you with a progressive damper tune to do the same thing.
SpecialEd - We just won't mention that.
Or you're Chaz Maz and you just throw on the same shock from your old Stumpy and call it good.
Are we not allowed to send it to Fox themselves.
I’m gonna go against the grain of most of you. I actually think the wireless only is a smart move. (Presuming they are releasing an alloy model that can run mechanical drivetrains). Having an already premium carbon bike that can only run wireless makes it seem a little “more premium.” People that drive Rivians and Teslas to the trail head will love that their bike is exclusively wireless. While the people that drive 20 year old lifted Tacomas will get the option of the alloy version.
I’m sure specialized has done their homework and they know that the amount of people that won’t buy the new stumpjumper simply because of the wireless only is extremely low, and a good percentage of them will be happy to buy the alloy when it’s released. It almost seems like a sneaky way to build up demand for when the alloy is eventually released.
This guy gets it
And what looks like a cable coming out of the shifter and into the frame. Or maybe it's just a super big antenna.
Maybe? Fox seems to have been able to service the countless generations of brain shocks in the past although that wasn't the case for rockshox. That also means you hopefully have a Fox service centre that is able to stock enough parts and can turn it around in a reasonable time. It still means they need a huge number of extra part numbers and tools that historically hasn't been plentiful in supply.....try to buy the "low compression ratio" air can for a Levo DPX2 and see what I mean! Some countries might have it better than others but its certainly not a given
I always wondered about this. When the whole big new marketing part of this bike is the Genie shock, what are none Fox sponsored Specialized athletes supposed to do? Always seemed weird to have proprietary branded equipment on bikes.
Or, on the flip side, what about Specialized riders who aren't sponsored by SRAM for drivetrains?
Lets make a frame characteristics around a shock people actually don’t need to use… that just doesn’t make sense.
That would mean Genie is more of a marketing rather adding anything OR while you can swap for any shock (lets not let people freak out) the ride will be crap.
Well it could be worst… im looking at you Scott.
Pay retail and bust out the Sharpie.
Edit: or run full housing, and lots of zip ties.
I don't think this frame's kinematics are as weird as the custom Genie shock would make it seem. It seems like a big volume/linear air can on a Super Deluxe with HBO would be comparable in function. A coil with HBO would be even better as long as the coil is approved for the Stumpy's clevis shock mount. Maybe tune your compression shims for a lower leverage rate and rebound shims for lower spring rates.
Shimano will bring wireless shifting to MTB in 2025. XTR, XT and Deore groupsets will be wireless 1x13.
I agree, the bike doesn’t need the genie shock, it’s just a selling point for bikes shops seeing as 95% of people that buy the new Stumpy will never run a different shock. For Non-Fox riders and people that like to tinker, they will find other shocks/setups that ride just as good/better than the OEM shock.
I hate to make another car analogy, but, it’s the same reason people buy TRD Pro versions of Toyota vehicles. They would never go through the trouble of swapping out their OEM suspension but if it comes from the factory with “better” suspension, they’ll gladly hand over an extra 10k.
Yeah pretty much - Genie doesn't seem to do much more than a simple bump stop (I joked about that but its a good way to do it)
A lot of stock damper tunes are quite "conservative" and while they suit the bike can usually be improved on a lot. I'm sure back to back tests of the OE choices will feel like the genie shock works better but you could easily step it up again with careful selection of already existing tunes in something like a Float X or Super Deluxe