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Simpancz
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3/30/2023 9:04am
Primoz wrote:
The two accelerometer idea, the post connecting them would influence the measurement much more than just using a gyroscope (a MEMS device) directly on the frame...

The two accelerometer idea, the post connecting them would influence the measurement much more than just using a gyroscope (a MEMS device) directly on the frame. And you don't have the issue of measurement synchronisation as well (always a pain when acquiring data off multiple sensors).

But, as you alluded, even a gyro would be influenced by bike lean. And using two gives you the same issue as you have with the accelerometers.

You can easily and precisely measure flex on a fixture. If you use strain gauges all over the frame when doing the measurements, you can also calibrate the strain gauges to certain flex values or to a 3D model. If you have enough of them you can even recreate loadings from the field in your finite element model to see what the external loads are like and use that when developing the next bike.

kcy4130 wrote:
Two gyros that measures roll, (like yaw pitch roll) one the front triangle and one on the rear near axle, would work as well. The roll...

Two gyros that measures roll, (like yaw pitch roll) one the front triangle and one on the rear near axle, would work as well. The roll of the front triangle would be subtracted from the rear, thus giving torsional flex. The accelerometers would be two on front triangle two on rear arranged vertically, so four total. Either way: sample rate, accuracy, and synchronicity (as you said) would have to be very good to get useful data. Probably not what's going on here, but it's an idea. 

Works in theory, but I would not expect any usefull data from the MEMS inertial measurements units in such dynamic and noisy environment.

The strain gauges could be way more precise tho

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3/30/2023 11:01am

Don't have experience with MEMS gyros, but if it can be made in millions of units to handle airbags, ABS and ESC in cars, I'm sure it's possible to make a sensor precise enough to handle a mountainbike riding down a hillside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsjvaYAFN1M

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3/30/2023 11:15am
Primoz wrote:
Don't have experience with MEMS gyros, but if it can be made in millions of units to handle airbags, ABS and ESC in cars, I'm sure...

Don't have experience with MEMS gyros, but if it can be made in millions of units to handle airbags, ABS and ESC in cars, I'm sure it's possible to make a sensor precise enough to handle a mountainbike riding down a hillside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsjvaYAFN1M

Man I just gotta ask- how do you know something about everything?  lol

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3/30/2023 3:46pm
I doubt its an inerter, its not connect to the lower legs, so only way it could be if its a oil based j-damper (McLarens code...

I doubt its an inerter, its not connect to the lower legs, so only way it could be if its a oil based j-damper (McLarens code for their original oil based inerter) running of the airpsring shaft somehow, way too complicated.

I think it could be there to monitor the airspring pressures for telemetry (explains why its bolted to air spring side.

Inerters aren't needed on a MTB, its what arms and legs are for. 

Primoz wrote:

Telemetry doesn't explain the rear one though...

Mr.Nally wrote:

Looks like a tunable mass damper of sorts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afa9L2ocZPY

 

Like that motorcycle tech.

Thats actually a good idea,

 

Size and position makes sense. I haven't seen somebody use them before on a MTB, wouldn't the front one need to be on the lower leg though (mounted to the unsprung mass)

3/30/2023 5:14pm Edited Date/Time 3/30/2023 5:17pm

Looks like Kilian Bron has the new Meta on Remy Metailler's latest YT vid. New colour way(?) and definitely has headset routing. Either that, or it's still the proto (filmed before Remy got injured). 

*Edit* - Or is it darn aggressive riding on a Tempo? Looks like it's got a bit of a kink in the top tube. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSLPMRx5ET0&t=276s

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saskskier wrote:
Looks like Kilian Bron has the new Meta on Remy Metailler's latest YT vid. New colour way(?) and definitely has headset routing. Either that, or it's...

Looks like Kilian Bron has the new Meta on Remy Metailler's latest YT vid. New colour way(?) and definitely has headset routing. Either that, or it's still the proto (filmed before Remy got injured). 

*Edit* - Or is it darn aggressive riding on a Tempo? Looks like it's got a bit of a kink in the top tube. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSLPMRx5ET0&t=276s

Enhance:

Screenshot 2023-03-30 at 5.32.20 PM

 

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3/30/2023 5:38pm
saskskier wrote:
Looks like Kilian Bron has the new Meta on Remy Metailler's latest YT vid. New colour way(?) and definitely has headset routing. Either that, or it's...

Looks like Kilian Bron has the new Meta on Remy Metailler's latest YT vid. New colour way(?) and definitely has headset routing. Either that, or it's still the proto (filmed before Remy got injured). 

*Edit* - Or is it darn aggressive riding on a Tempo? Looks like it's got a bit of a kink in the top tube. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSLPMRx5ET0&t=276s

dolface wrote:
Enhance:  

Enhance:

Screenshot 2023-03-30 at 5.32.20 PM

 

Ha ha. Your CSI skills are much better than mine. 

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3/30/2023 9:29pm
mattwright wrote:
 New SRAM brake levers to go with the new callipers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R47lxfLHm-g

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 New SRAM brake levers to go with the new callipers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R47lxfLHm-g

Looks very similar, but the stealth levers have angled hose and the levers installed alongside with the new "Mave" calipers have straight hose.

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3/30/2023 10:15pm
hardbash wrote:

Read in the pinkbike comments that the new SRAM Maven brakes will be mineral oil. Interesting

Primoz wrote:

Considering it's being run on existing levers, kinda doubt this one. But if true, I guess it's time to stock up on current (old?) Codes Smile

TannerVal wrote:
 Which existing lever is this? None I’ve seen

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 Which existing lever is this? None I’ve seen

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 The new lever body seems to match the shape of the new stealth levers. What stood out to me is bleed port plug that matches the one found on the DB8, which uses mineral oil and makes me believe there’s some truth behind the switch to mineral oil. 

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pole e-bike goods

 

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3/31/2023 10:33am
sspomer wrote:
pole e-bike goods  

pole e-bike goods

 

pole e-bike bads

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baronKanon wrote:

Formula is teasing new product launch on Friday. Is this the elusive Selva XL dual crown enduro fork? If so, I am tempted - very tempted.

It's a brake lever. A goddamned two piece brake lever.

 

 

 

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3/31/2023 11:22am
baronKanon wrote:

Formula is teasing new product launch on Friday. Is this the elusive Selva XL dual crown enduro fork? If so, I am tempted - very tempted.

Losifer wrote:

It's a brake lever. A goddamned two piece brake lever.

 

 

 

Another product that was supposed to be released pre covid. Better late than never I guess?

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3/31/2023 11:37am

I looked it up. That hub weighs 2kilos! (4 1/2 pounds.) Holy unsprung weight Batman!

DirtyHal wrote:
48% heavier than a Transmission setup using my napkin math.  Would you really notice on an ebike though?  If you go through a cassette per year...

48% heavier than a Transmission setup using my napkin math.  Would you really notice on an ebike though?  If you go through a cassette per year with a transmission setup you would potentially be saving quite a few bucks annually with the no maintenance claim on the 3x3.

1) I swapped from a 12 speed AXS to an old school 11 speed and at least in my head I could feel the .5# unsprung weight loss. The suspension felt more supple and quicker to react. It wasn't a money issue nor was the AXS giving me any trouble, but I genuinely prefer the 11 speed's performance.

2) The proper solution for an e-bike is a combo motor/ transmission. The extra drag isn't a big deal cause you have a motor, and the extra weight, at the center of the frame but in exchange for vastly improved drivetrain wear/ tear is a fair trade off on a 42#+ bike. To top it off, once you combine the 2 housing in to one, there might be very little weight gain if any compared to say SRAM Transmission.

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3/31/2023 12:42pm

Those are some lame hashtags2 pieces 0

 

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3/31/2023 12:43pm
baronKanon wrote:

Formula is teasing new product launch on Friday. Is this the elusive Selva XL dual crown enduro fork? If so, I am tempted - very tempted.

Losifer wrote:

It's a brake lever. A goddamned two piece brake lever.

 

 

 

Jakub_G wrote:

Another product that was supposed to be released pre covid. Better late than never I guess?

Anticipating the Selva XL and get a brake lever. Definitely disappointing. 

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3/31/2023 1:44pm

"Why not enjoy the exhilarating feeling of braking?" might be one of the funniest statements I've ever read. I think some of the European and Asian brands should just let AI write their product copy.

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"Why not enjoy the exhilarating feeling of braking?" might be one of the funniest statements I've ever read. I think some of the European and Asian...

"Why not enjoy the exhilarating feeling of braking?" might be one of the funniest statements I've ever read. I think some of the European and Asian brands should just let AI write their product copy.

Or porn authors "...to fit perfectly in the hand for Cura, Cura 4, and Cura x, without any loss of sensation ..."

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4/1/2023 1:16pm

I guess some of it comes down to not having a very good command of english. 

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4/1/2023 11:17pm
"Why not enjoy the exhilarating feeling of braking?" might be one of the funniest statements I've ever read. I think some of the European and Asian...

"Why not enjoy the exhilarating feeling of braking?" might be one of the funniest statements I've ever read. I think some of the European and Asian brands should just let AI write their product copy.

It may sounds better in italian

4/2/2023 12:00am
"Why not enjoy the exhilarating feeling of braking?" might be one of the funniest statements I've ever read. I think some of the European and Asian...

"Why not enjoy the exhilarating feeling of braking?" might be one of the funniest statements I've ever read. I think some of the European and Asian brands should just let AI write their product copy.

mamath7 wrote:

It may sounds better in italian

Won't sound like the symphony of a Sram brake on the wet, tho

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4/2/2023 12:56am Edited Date/Time 4/2/2023 12:59am

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 New Pivot phoenix, Reverting away from the Horizontal to a vertical shock layout - assuming itll look like the rest of pivots bikes like the firebird.
Looks like its a Lugged carbon prototype. - does anyone have any Info on this and who is making these frames? Spesh and pivot both have these now... is athertons making them some lugs?
i believe This was BK doing some Private solo testing in QT before the journey to Rotorua.

 

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4/2/2023 3:00am

Source? BTW on the other website there were some photos of it, they were reposted here a few pages back.

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 New Pivot phoenix, Reverting away from the Horizontal to a vertical shock layout - assuming itll look like the rest of pivots bikes like the firebird...

f77741195669cebff116e49ee2b8a44c.png?VersionId=9c7a13de1f9ee05a2349a43c42699393

 New Pivot phoenix, Reverting away from the Horizontal to a vertical shock layout - assuming itll look like the rest of pivots bikes like the firebird.
Looks like its a Lugged carbon prototype. - does anyone have any Info on this and who is making these frames? Spesh and pivot both have these now... is athertons making them some lugs?
i believe This was BK doing some Private solo testing in QT before the journey to Rotorua.

 

Chris Cocalis was on the other site's podcast and said they're making those frames in-house in AZ, iirc he said they could make one in ~3 weeks

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4/3/2023 4:36am

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 Interesting brake mount...

Grabbed from the recent Gastovlogcubesr&dprojects

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4/3/2023 4:54am

Looks like a floating brake arm, you can see it under the left stay. Hasn’t Danny experimented with that before on saracen?

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4/3/2023 5:00am Edited Date/Time 4/3/2023 5:02am

Just a floating brake mount. You can see the connecting rod below the chainstay. It's nice to see a quick and dirty prototype in the wild instead of one that someone wasted time making look good just for proof of concept testing.

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Saracen as a whole did that, they tuned the anti rise with it. I commented that on Pinkbike and Saracen's designer confirmed my comment. 

FWIW, Saracen's was a single pivot (they have a multilink proto out now?) while the cube is a multi link bike, which makes a floating brake less necessary or less useful than on a single pivot. It's likely there for testing purposes. 

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4/3/2023 1:21pm
 New Pivot phoenix, Reverting away from the Horizontal to a vertical shock layout - assuming itll look like the rest of pivots bikes like the firebird...

f77741195669cebff116e49ee2b8a44c.png?VersionId=9c7a13de1f9ee05a2349a43c42699393

 New Pivot phoenix, Reverting away from the Horizontal to a vertical shock layout - assuming itll look like the rest of pivots bikes like the firebird.
Looks like its a Lugged carbon prototype. - does anyone have any Info on this and who is making these frames? Spesh and pivot both have these now... is athertons making them some lugs?
i believe This was BK doing some Private solo testing in QT before the journey to Rotorua.

 

dolface wrote:
Chris Cocalis was on the other site's podcast and said they're making those frames in-house in AZ, iirc he said they could make one in ~3...

Chris Cocalis was on the other site's podcast and said they're making those frames in-house in AZ, iirc he said they could make one in ~3 weeks

It was also hinted in the PB article from a few weeks ago.  https://www.pinkbike.com/news/inside-pivots-secret-carbon-fiber-r-and-d…

 

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