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1/19/2023 2:49pm

That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them, which sounds like a horrible use of cash. 

 

I think showing the development side of stuff and not keeping it under wraps is the coolest thing a frame manufacturer can do. So this is objectively a good thing, but it is definitely not getting tweaked past adjustments in linkage. 

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1/19/2023 3:18pm

 
 


Seems like a good time to bring these back up! Kudos to Santa Cruz for their transparency and feeding the tech rumors since 2008

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1/19/2023 4:58pm
nskerb wrote:
That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them...

That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them, which sounds like a horrible use of cash. 

 

I think showing the development side of stuff and not keeping it under wraps is the coolest thing a frame manufacturer can do. So this is objectively a good thing, but it is definitely not getting tweaked past adjustments in linkage. 

Well when you're selling bikes for €5600 with NX and Select level components (and you've got chads and dads left and right lapping them up), you've basically got money to burn.

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Screen capture from the video.

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Almost has og Rocky RMX vibes

 

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1/19/2023 10:32pm

Funny to see they put into the video that Mule A version1 was running Sram drivetrain under Greg...

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1/20/2023 12:45am

Rewatching thos 2009 videos after 14 years really brings back memories!! Back then watching the video made me drooling over the new steed. All i can think now is "gosh, those bikes look ridiculous!"

this was the last 26" dh bike that won a worldcup wasn't it?

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1/20/2023 1:15am
fartsack wrote:
Rewatching thos 2009 videos after 14 years really brings back memories!! Back then watching the video made me drooling over the new steed. All i can...

Rewatching thos 2009 videos after 14 years really brings back memories!! Back then watching the video made me drooling over the new steed. All i can think now is "gosh, those bikes look ridiculous!"

this was the last 26" dh bike that won a worldcup wasn't it?

No, it was Ratboy on the 2014 bike. 

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1/20/2023 1:22am

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excentric headset cups on the new V10?

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  excentric headset cups on the new V10?

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excentric headset cups on the new V10?

They better be. Should be standard on literally every single bike in existence. So far only Canyon managed to get it right.

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1/20/2023 3:17am
nskerb wrote:
That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them...

That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them, which sounds like a horrible use of cash. 

 

I think showing the development side of stuff and not keeping it under wraps is the coolest thing a frame manufacturer can do. So this is objectively a good thing, but it is definitely not getting tweaked past adjustments in linkage. 

Didn’t they use Danny’s trials bike as a test bed for prototyping (relatively) inexpensive carbon frames in house? Hopefully they’ll cover it in the next video. 
 

Isn’t it about time for the new saint groupset to start showing up? Looks like Laurie’s still on his old Shimanhope setup. 

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jofish wrote:
Didn’t they use Danny’s trials bike as a test bed for prototyping (relatively) inexpensive carbon frames in house? Hopefully they’ll cover it in the next video. ...

Didn’t they use Danny’s trials bike as a test bed for prototyping (relatively) inexpensive carbon frames in house? Hopefully they’ll cover it in the next video. 
 

Isn’t it about time for the new saint groupset to start showing up? Looks like Laurie’s still on his old Shimanhope setup. 

In the Santa Cruz video 1 Gregs test bike had XO cranks & mech, & that was before the 22 season.

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1/20/2023 5:03am
Losifer wrote:
 

Trinity MTB has their derailleur in a box ready to test.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CniFM1yqqPW/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=

Primoz wrote:

Really wondering what their wide range gearbox will look like. Supposedly something is in the works.

Losifer wrote:
Yeah, really curious how they're going to pull that off. Based on the clever way they're approaching this, I think this could be a major step...

Yeah, really curious how they're going to pull that off.

Based on the clever way they're approaching this, I think this could be a major step forward in removing the drivetrain mass from the unsprung mass.

Best attempt yet IMO. Lighter than your standard gearbox, less unsprung weight, uses more/less standard cogs, allows shifting under load, nifty freewheel systems for better shifting period. Some really clever stuff going on. And a hella lot simpler looking than Supre' drive.

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Primoz wrote:

Really wondering what their wide range gearbox will look like. Supposedly something is in the works.

Losifer wrote:
Yeah, really curious how they're going to pull that off. Based on the clever way they're approaching this, I think this could be a major step...

Yeah, really curious how they're going to pull that off.

Based on the clever way they're approaching this, I think this could be a major step forward in removing the drivetrain mass from the unsprung mass.

fleein_ian wrote:
Best attempt yet IMO. Lighter than your standard gearbox, less unsprung weight, uses more/less standard cogs, allows shifting under load, nifty freewheel systems for better shifting...

Best attempt yet IMO. Lighter than your standard gearbox, less unsprung weight, uses more/less standard cogs, allows shifting under load, nifty freewheel systems for better shifting period. Some really clever stuff going on. And a hella lot simpler looking than Supre' drive.

They’re using SRAM NX cassette cogs on this, it would seem like an easy ask for SunRace/MicroShift to produce cassettes specifically for this system.

1/20/2023 9:45am
Screen capture from the video.    

Screen capture from the video.

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metadave wrote:
Almost has og Rocky RMX vibes      

Almost has og Rocky RMX vibes

 

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Absolutely feeling the exact same way. Or even Brooklyn machine works with the tubes going everywhere? 
kinda prefer the last, but 100 percent prefer the aluminum v3: 694C3D7D-1ACF-4C9C-BD3E-CC9C16BAD088

 

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1/20/2023 11:49am
nskerb wrote:
That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them...

That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them, which sounds like a horrible use of cash. 

 

I think showing the development side of stuff and not keeping it under wraps is the coolest thing a frame manufacturer can do. So this is objectively a good thing, but it is definitely not getting tweaked past adjustments in linkage. 

jofish wrote:
Didn’t they use Danny’s trials bike as a test bed for prototyping (relatively) inexpensive carbon frames in house? Hopefully they’ll cover it in the next video. ...

Didn’t they use Danny’s trials bike as a test bed for prototyping (relatively) inexpensive carbon frames in house? Hopefully they’ll cover it in the next video. 
 

Isn’t it about time for the new saint groupset to start showing up? Looks like Laurie’s still on his old Shimanhope setup. 

Same thought re: Saint. How many years is it now since we've seen what look like production ready cranks and derailleurs? Not that the current stuff is bad, just odd how long it is taking. I guess combo of COVID supply/manufacturing hangover, Shimano fires and now fear of oversupplied inventory/write-downs/liquidity going into a downturn.

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1/20/2023 1:17pm
nskerb wrote:
That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them...

That last sentence of it still being in development, definitely looks production ready. Unless SC likes to just sink money into frame molds and rework them, which sounds like a horrible use of cash. 

 

I think showing the development side of stuff and not keeping it under wraps is the coolest thing a frame manufacturer can do. So this is objectively a good thing, but it is definitely not getting tweaked past adjustments in linkage. 

jofish wrote:
Didn’t they use Danny’s trials bike as a test bed for prototyping (relatively) inexpensive carbon frames in house? Hopefully they’ll cover it in the next video. ...

Didn’t they use Danny’s trials bike as a test bed for prototyping (relatively) inexpensive carbon frames in house? Hopefully they’ll cover it in the next video. 
 

Isn’t it about time for the new saint groupset to start showing up? Looks like Laurie’s still on his old Shimanhope setup. 

grambo wrote:
Same thought re: Saint. How many years is it now since we've seen what look like production ready cranks and derailleurs? Not that the current stuff...

Same thought re: Saint. How many years is it now since we've seen what look like production ready cranks and derailleurs? Not that the current stuff is bad, just odd how long it is taking. I guess combo of COVID supply/manufacturing hangover, Shimano fires and now fear of oversupplied inventory/write-downs/liquidity going into a downturn.

Have there been any sightings/rumors of updated Saint brakes at all?

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1/20/2023 1:37pm
grambo wrote:
Same thought re: Saint. How many years is it now since we've seen what look like production ready cranks and derailleurs? Not that the current stuff...

Same thought re: Saint. How many years is it now since we've seen what look like production ready cranks and derailleurs? Not that the current stuff is bad, just odd how long it is taking. I guess combo of COVID supply/manufacturing hangover, Shimano fires and now fear of oversupplied inventory/write-downs/liquidity going into a downturn.

saint M820 was launched in 2012. so closing in on 11 years. fun fact: it is now the longest running shimano groupset (including road). next longest is Ultegra 6500, launched '97 updated '05 (~8 years)

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Saint holds the record for a product series, although I'll add there are certain individual products that have been in the Shimano catalog forever, like the PD-M520 non-series pedals (2003?) and PD-M647 DX pedals (2006?) and the Dura Ace downtube shifters (Civil War?).

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TEAMROBOT wrote:
Saint holds the record for a product series, although I'll add there are certain individual products that have been in the Shimano catalog forever, like the...

Saint holds the record for a product series, although I'll add there are certain individual products that have been in the Shimano catalog forever, like the PD-M520 non-series pedals (2003?) and PD-M647 DX pedals (2006?) and the Dura Ace downtube shifters (Civil War?).

As someone who still used dura ace downtube shifters, civil war tech is still ok

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1/21/2023 6:25am Edited Date/Time 1/21/2023 6:28am
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Saint holds the record for a product series, although I'll add there are certain individual products that have been in the Shimano catalog forever, like the...

Saint holds the record for a product series, although I'll add there are certain individual products that have been in the Shimano catalog forever, like the PD-M520 non-series pedals (2003?) and PD-M647 DX pedals (2006?) and the Dura Ace downtube shifters (Civil War?).

DXR was launched for the inaugural bmx at the olympics in 2008 and Dura Ace 7710 (track) is older than the hills (1996).

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1/21/2023 11:55am

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1/21/2023 11:57am

Guys/girls does anyone have any info on the prototype sram brakes we saw at the WC races? Any ideas on when we may officially see them ?

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oh man that seat tube junction/ shock mount area looks ass

color scheme and logo design is unfortunate as well but that is to be expected by intense by now

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1/21/2023 12:32pm
 

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29 wrote:
oh man that seat tube junction/ shock mount area looks ass color scheme and logo design is unfortunate as well but that is to be expected...

oh man that seat tube junction/ shock mount area looks ass

color scheme and logo design is unfortunate as well but that is to be expected by intense by now

Yeah, proto frames aleays look good, until production frames come out, bring back the glory days of Intense m1 etc…..

all their carbon frames are just boring with horrible color options

 

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Tazer shock looks like it has a very short stroke or is it just an illusion?

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Guys/girls does anyone have any info on the prototype sram brakes we saw at the WC races? Any ideas on when we may officially see them...

Guys/girls does anyone have any info on the prototype sram brakes we saw at the WC races? Any ideas on when we may officially see them ?

Supposedly the new drivetrain is getting released around March so I'd expect them to be part of that...

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