FWIW, Bike24 is discounting 2025 Trek Fuel EXe bikes by 52%. Not sure if there's a deeper meaning, but it's only 2600 eur...
They are the old model bike (replaced with the Fuel+), and Trek is on the second year release of those expected in August. Plus there's word of a new Fuel+ coming with modular batteries and the rumored full powered TQ motor.
In the US, Trek has a bunch of NOS Fuel EXE's on their Red Barn site.
I think you've got rose colored glasses on regarding the Amflow frame. The v1 got a lot of criticism for being very flexy, particularly in the...
I think you've got rose colored glasses on regarding the Amflow frame. The v1 got a lot of criticism for being very flexy, particularly in the rear end. It had the dubious design choice of a yoke-driven trunnion shock (Vorsprung says in their suspension design manual that if you end up with that design, you should "put down the bong and start again"). Slapping Fox suspension and Transmission drivetrain on it isn't some genius product manager move - almost every bike out there does that these days. The wheels, hubs, bars, and stem are all in-house products and not exactly desirable.
I've seen that quote bandied about on a few forums now and while he's right it's also pedantic. The trunnion part of that suspension design isn't the problem, it's the yoke (as we've seen on Specialized time and time again). Sure, it's better to not use a trunnion mount in that design, and Amflow did fix that in the new version (just 2 years later).
Have any of you actually ridden an Amflow bike? I have (gen 1), and the frame rides great for its intended purpose. Its an all mountain...
Have any of you actually ridden an Amflow bike? I have (gen 1), and the frame rides great for its intended purpose. Its an all mountain bike, not super-enduro. I'd say it rides as good or better than something like the Levo. The flexiness is just fine. About right for a bike of that travel and intended terrain.
I have not, but did ride with a buddy who was demoing a v1 Amflow. He said he was impressed with the motor but would not...
I have not, but did ride with a buddy who was demoing a v1 Amflow. He said he was impressed with the motor but would not buy an Amflow to get it. He said the bike itself was unimpressive - nothing terrible but not worth spending money on. He'd consider getting the Mondraker or some other version. He said the standout things of the demo were the motor system and the Shredda Rear tire the shop owner had mounted up front.
Afterwards, we talked to the shop owner whose bike it was and the co-owner who also had one. They both pretty much said, yeah we got them for the motor and to hang better parts off of. They said the frames are ok for trail riding but if you're expecting Santa Cruz quality, you'll be disappointed. They said rear end is about as flexy as a gen3 Levo (which I found to be very flexy and hated). They both had mounted 170mm Zebs on theirs because they said 38 crowns hit the downtube. Even with the Zeb, the guy who had a size medium frame had to remove the compression adjuster knobs because they would contact the downtube. They said they had 13 bikes (v2) on order for customers who wanted the new motor, but no ETA on when they'd ever get them.
Chris Coccalis (sp?) said he demoed a gen1 Amflow and said that frankly it was a terrible bike that flexed with poor rear suspension performance.
Sorry, but I don't think even the M2s is up to the standard of the Bosch in silence or feature set, certainly not in weight balance with its high mounted battery. On the forums you'd think the Avinox is the only motor in existence, but when you talk to experienced riders, they are much less impressed.
One thing is certain; people care about looks and power above all else. The less hard to define characteristics such as handling, balance, reliability, serviceability, silence, efficiency (no longer a problem with the M2), actually being class 1 legal, etc. are much lower on the priority list for most people.
One of the most absurd things is people deciding that the Avinox is clearly better based on power. Imagine if MXA did their annual 250F shootout yet added the new CRF450F to the shootout and declared the CRF450F the 'best 250F of the year!'. The fact is that the Avinox is NOT Class 1. Yah, faster can be better, it's why I love motorcycles. But legally Class 2+ is NOT defined as a bicycle, and that's a problem.
They are the old model bike (replaced with the Fuel+), and Trek is on the second year release of those expected in August. Plus there's word...
They are the old model bike (replaced with the Fuel+), and Trek is on the second year release of those expected in August. Plus there's word of a new Fuel+ coming with modular batteries and the rumored full powered TQ motor.
In the US, Trek has a bunch of NOS Fuel EXE's on their Red Barn site.
I just purchased a new Fuel EX+ so my gf could manage climbs with me when I'm on my Smuggler. It was heavily discounted from $8700 to $6K and my electric company gave me a $600 rebate to boot!
The TQ60 is an amazing motor system in terms of sound and efficiency and it's appropriate for my gf weighing 105# trail riding. The bike will also soon only weigh 41#s, something I could not accomplish with any decent full power bike.
That said, it's pretty well known the new top dog motor system is soon to be released, it's a TQ120 with a similar form factor, noise level, etc. to the TQ60.
Ever notice how every single e-bike reviewer and most industry insiders, prefers a 600 wh battery over the 800wh? Well, the TQ120 comes with a built in 600wh, but importantly due to its compact shape, you'll be able to drop in a 325-350 wh RE that sits really low and as such, doesn't upset the handling.
Also, word is the TQ60 will become a TQ75-85 at the same time which keeps it very relevant, even as a full power e-bike.
I just purchased a new Fuel EX+ so my gf could manage climbs with me when I'm on my Smuggler. It was heavily discounted from $8700...
I just purchased a new Fuel EX+ so my gf could manage climbs with me when I'm on my Smuggler. It was heavily discounted from $8700 to $6K and my electric company gave me a $600 rebate to boot!
The TQ60 is an amazing motor system in terms of sound and efficiency and it's appropriate for my gf weighing 105# trail riding. The bike will also soon only weigh 41#s, something I could not accomplish with any decent full power bike.
That said, it's pretty well known the new top dog motor system is soon to be released, it's a TQ120 with a similar form factor, noise level, etc. to the TQ60.
Ever notice how every single e-bike reviewer and most industry insiders, prefers a 600 wh battery over the 800wh? Well, the TQ120 comes with a built in 600wh, but importantly due to its compact shape, you'll be able to drop in a 325-350 wh RE that sits really low and as such, doesn't upset the handling.
Also, word is the TQ60 will become a TQ75-85 at the same time which keeps it very relevant, even as a full power e-bike.
I've been wanting to hear your opinion on the TQ60 vs the Fazua since you picked up the Fuel+.
I have a Decoy SN with the Fazua and have been pleased with the motor and power level. My next bike will be the Fuel+, especially since they just dropped the aluminum frame and the price of the base model to $5999 for the '27 year model. I really hope they keep the TQ60 like it is. I think its the sweet spot of the SL systems especially with the modular battery system.
Nike has been in cycling a few times. Late 90’s and early 00 they had the Cairns and some other shoes. They were pretty good. Nike had...
Nike has been in cycling a few times. Late 90’s and early 00 they had the Cairns and some other shoes. They were pretty good. Nike had a huge influence in snowboarding for a few years. Best boots ever and then just stopped.
Nike’s final pullout from snowboarding is even more crazy because the program was making money (very decent money by most standards, like several million a year)...
Nike’s final pullout from snowboarding is even more crazy because the program was making money (very decent money by most standards, like several million a year) but the actual ROI percentage wasn’t enough for the main corporate bean counters so they just cut it all off one day.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Nike already had some plans on MTB with the relaunch of ACG this past winter. However, we’ve seen that come an go at least once before.
well in the big launch video for ACG 5 months ago there was a rampage style mountainbike segment with a female rider (robin goomes?) and even...
well in the big launch video for ACG 5 months ago there was a rampage style mountainbike segment with a female rider (robin goomes?) and even a snowboarding segment so nike might be launching something in that regard in the future.
Chris Coccalis (sp?) said he demoed a gen1 Amflow and said that frankly it was a terrible bike that flexed with poor rear suspension performance.Sorry, but...
Chris Coccalis (sp?) said he demoed a gen1 Amflow and said that frankly it was a terrible bike that flexed with poor rear suspension performance.
Sorry, but I don't think even the M2s is up to the standard of the Bosch in silence or feature set, certainly not in weight balance with its high mounted battery. On the forums you'd think the Avinox is the only motor in existence, but when you talk to experienced riders, they are much less impressed.
One thing is certain; people care about looks and power above all else. The less hard to define characteristics such as handling, balance, reliability, serviceability, silence, efficiency (no longer a problem with the M2), actually being class 1 legal, etc. are much lower on the priority list for most people.
One of the most absurd things is people deciding that the Avinox is clearly better based on power. Imagine if MXA did their annual 250F shootout yet added the new CRF450F to the shootout and declared the CRF450F the 'best 250F of the year!'. The fact is that the Avinox is NOT Class 1. Yah, faster can be better, it's why I love motorcycles. But legally Class 2+ is NOT defined as a bicycle, and that's a problem.
Guy who owns bike company trashes competitors bike. Shocking.
Chris Coccalis (sp?) said he demoed a gen1 Amflow and said that frankly it was a terrible bike that flexed with poor rear suspension performance.Sorry, but...
Chris Coccalis (sp?) said he demoed a gen1 Amflow and said that frankly it was a terrible bike that flexed with poor rear suspension performance.
Sorry, but I don't think even the M2s is up to the standard of the Bosch in silence or feature set, certainly not in weight balance with its high mounted battery. On the forums you'd think the Avinox is the only motor in existence, but when you talk to experienced riders, they are much less impressed.
One thing is certain; people care about looks and power above all else. The less hard to define characteristics such as handling, balance, reliability, serviceability, silence, efficiency (no longer a problem with the M2), actually being class 1 legal, etc. are much lower on the priority list for most people.
One of the most absurd things is people deciding that the Avinox is clearly better based on power. Imagine if MXA did their annual 250F shootout yet added the new CRF450F to the shootout and declared the CRF450F the 'best 250F of the year!'. The fact is that the Avinox is NOT Class 1. Yah, faster can be better, it's why I love motorcycles. But legally Class 2+ is NOT defined as a bicycle, and that's a problem.
yes, spread your avinox bias on another forum just to feel good about your outdated bike you still can’t ride
Chris Coccalis (sp?) said he demoed a gen1 Amflow and said that frankly it was a terrible bike that flexed with poor rear suspension performance.Sorry, but...
Chris Coccalis (sp?) said he demoed a gen1 Amflow and said that frankly it was a terrible bike that flexed with poor rear suspension performance.
Sorry, but I don't think even the M2s is up to the standard of the Bosch in silence or feature set, certainly not in weight balance with its high mounted battery. On the forums you'd think the Avinox is the only motor in existence, but when you talk to experienced riders, they are much less impressed.
One thing is certain; people care about looks and power above all else. The less hard to define characteristics such as handling, balance, reliability, serviceability, silence, efficiency (no longer a problem with the M2), actually being class 1 legal, etc. are much lower on the priority list for most people.
One of the most absurd things is people deciding that the Avinox is clearly better based on power. Imagine if MXA did their annual 250F shootout yet added the new CRF450F to the shootout and declared the CRF450F the 'best 250F of the year!'. The fact is that the Avinox is NOT Class 1. Yah, faster can be better, it's why I love motorcycles. But legally Class 2+ is NOT defined as a bicycle, and that's a problem.
That’s a weird joke, as Oreo is the ripoff of Hydrox, so named because hydrogen and oxygen are clean and pure. Bad name for a cookie but this tweet is even worse. Should’ve chosen a different product, one that doesn’t have iffy relationships to the element named. Internet rating: 2/5. The point is in there but it’s muddied by the execution. Or am I underestimating the joke and it’s double good because that’s the next layer? Could be.
I quit listening to anyone weird enough to start their own bike company years ago.
“The Athletic understands that Nike are planning a more focused return to the sport in the near future, which could have an impact on Pogačar...
“The Athletic understands that Nike are planning a more focused return to the sport in the near future, which could have an impact on Pogačar and others in the coming years.”
Talking about road cycling obviously. But Nike spends nearly $5B a year on marketing, and I’m sure they are seeing what Adidas is doing, so there’s potential that they could be looking at entering the MTB side as well. Would be a big deal for WC teams, venues, and WB to land a whale like Nike. Problem for them is MTB is such a small market they might struggle to care. They’ve seemingly struggled to handle non-core categories. They’ve waxed and waned on even soccer over the years, which is a ridiculously huge category.
Nike made some flat pedal MTB shoes in the mid 2000s in collaboration with Andrew Shandro, the Air Whistler. They were basically stiff Nike SBs with pretty grippy (for the time) soles. Pretty cool.
I had a pair. I had to do a deep stream crossing in Crested Butte, took them off, and tied them around my handlebars. One fell off and was quickly carried away. I think it was about 8 miles I had to do with one shoe back to the car. The remaining shoe lived in my trunk for a long time. Why? I don't know.
“The Athletic understands that Nike are planning a more focused return to the sport in the near future, which could have an impact on Pogačar...
“The Athletic understands that Nike are planning a more focused return to the sport in the near future, which could have an impact on Pogačar and others in the coming years.”
Talking about road cycling obviously. But Nike spends nearly $5B a year on marketing, and I’m sure they are seeing what Adidas is doing, so there’s potential that they could be looking at entering the MTB side as well. Would be a big deal for WC teams, venues, and WB to land a whale like Nike. Problem for them is MTB is such a small market they might struggle to care. They’ve seemingly struggled to handle non-core categories. They’ve waxed and waned on even soccer over the years, which is a ridiculously huge category.
Nike made some flat pedal MTB shoes in the mid 2000s in collaboration with Andrew Shandro, the Air Whistler. They were basically stiff Nike SBs with...
Nike made some flat pedal MTB shoes in the mid 2000s in collaboration with Andrew Shandro, the Air Whistler. They were basically stiff Nike SBs with pretty grippy (for the time) soles. Pretty cool.
I had a pair. I had to do a deep stream crossing in Crested Butte, took them off, and tied them around my handlebars. One fell off and was quickly carried away. I think it was about 8 miles I had to do with one shoe back to the car. The remaining shoe lived in my trunk for a long time. Why? I don't know.
Didn’t know about the Air Whistler, maybe a Trek connection somewhere along the line as Nike 6.0 was around in late 2000s, early 2010s and sponsored Semenuk and Cam McCaul.
Didn’t know about the Air Whistler, maybe a Trek connection somewhere along the line as Nike 6.0 was around in late 2000s, early 2010s and sponsored...
Didn’t know about the Air Whistler, maybe a Trek connection somewhere along the line as Nike 6.0 was around in late 2000s, early 2010s and sponsored Semenuk and Cam McCaul.
Chris Coccalis (sp?) said he demoed a gen1 Amflow and said that frankly it was a terrible bike that flexed with poor rear suspension performance.Sorry, but...
Chris Coccalis (sp?) said he demoed a gen1 Amflow and said that frankly it was a terrible bike that flexed with poor rear suspension performance.
Sorry, but I don't think even the M2s is up to the standard of the Bosch in silence or feature set, certainly not in weight balance with its high mounted battery. On the forums you'd think the Avinox is the only motor in existence, but when you talk to experienced riders, they are much less impressed.
One thing is certain; people care about looks and power above all else. The less hard to define characteristics such as handling, balance, reliability, serviceability, silence, efficiency (no longer a problem with the M2), actually being class 1 legal, etc. are much lower on the priority list for most people.
One of the most absurd things is people deciding that the Avinox is clearly better based on power. Imagine if MXA did their annual 250F shootout yet added the new CRF450F to the shootout and declared the CRF450F the 'best 250F of the year!'. The fact is that the Avinox is NOT Class 1. Yah, faster can be better, it's why I love motorcycles. But legally Class 2+ is NOT defined as a bicycle, and that's a problem.
Guy who owns bike company trashes competitors bike. Shocking.
Nah, he doesn't do that about any other bikes, and he liked the motor system. He wanted to test the motor system and just pointed out how unimpressed he was with the bike itself.
I've been wanting to hear your opinion on the TQ60 vs the Fazua since you picked up the Fuel+. I have a Decoy SN with the...
I've been wanting to hear your opinion on the TQ60 vs the Fazua since you picked up the Fuel+.
I have a Decoy SN with the Fazua and have been pleased with the motor and power level. My next bike will be the Fuel+, especially since they just dropped the aluminum frame and the price of the base model to $5999 for the '27 year model. I really hope they keep the TQ60 like it is. I think its the sweet spot of the SL systems especially with the modular battery system.
I only pedal the TQ60 around for test rides when working on it as it's much too small for me and I don't want to reset the suspension.
Power feels good, it's easy to get the bike computer to say it's assisting me right at 390watts plus my watts, and it always feels very natural and quiet to ride. In the low setting I have to use the screen to figure out if it's even assisting me or not. If it's turned off, you might as well be pedaling a bike. Can't tell at all except for the extra weight going uphill.
I bet the new RE will be compatible with it as well.
"Saddleback, the major UK cycling distributor that entered administration on 29 May 2026, had a more complicated last few years than previously known. New public filings and accounts from former employees show the owners taking dividends out of the business even as it took on large bank loans and built up debts to more than 150 creditors, many of whom now face being left out of pocket."
Nike’s final pullout from snowboarding is even more crazy because the program was making money (very decent money by most standards, like several million a year)...
Nike’s final pullout from snowboarding is even more crazy because the program was making money (very decent money by most standards, like several million a year) but the actual ROI percentage wasn’t enough for the main corporate bean counters so they just cut it all off one day.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Nike already had some plans on MTB with the relaunch of ACG this past winter. However, we’ve seen that come an go at least once before.
well in the big launch video for ACG 5 months ago there was a rampage style mountainbike segment with a female rider (robin goomes?) and even...
well in the big launch video for ACG 5 months ago there was a rampage style mountainbike segment with a female rider (robin goomes?) and even a snowboarding segment so nike might be launching something in that regard in the future.
"Saddleback, the major UK cycling distributor that entered administration on 29 May 2026, had a more complicated last few years than previously known. New public filings...
"Saddleback, the major UK cycling distributor that entered administration on 29 May 2026, had a more complicated last few years than previously known. New public filings and accounts from former employees show the owners taking dividends out of the business even as it took on large bank loans and built up debts to more than 150 creditors, many of whom now face being left out of pocket."
I think 52% off a Fuel EXe is reasonable for a bike where you have to take the completely realistic risk that the company that makes the motor and battery will be defunct (or at least completely exited ebikes) before the warranty on all of the other parts is gone.
On the Vail thing, I agree with Charlie. However, unless they figure out a way to turn things, we're going to see the off-loading of some properties. However, if I were Vail, there are a lot of things I'd sell off before Whistler Blackcomb. I just don't know where the limit lies as to how much they can charge for mediocre or actively bad guest experiences while simultaneously putting few resources into it. Run it into the ground for 15 years and then offload it on the next asshole. Maybe they can trick the Canadian government into buying it. We love to bail out American companies' failed Canadian experiments.
I think 52% off a Fuel EXe is reasonable for a bike where you have to take the completely realistic risk that the company that makes...
I think 52% off a Fuel EXe is reasonable for a bike where you have to take the completely realistic risk that the company that makes the motor and battery will be defunct (or at least completely exited ebikes) before the warranty on all of the other parts is gone.
On the Vail thing, I agree with Charlie. However, unless they figure out a way to turn things, we're going to see the off-loading of some properties. However, if I were Vail, there are a lot of things I'd sell off before Whistler Blackcomb. I just don't know where the limit lies as to how much they can charge for mediocre or actively bad guest experiences while simultaneously putting few resources into it. Run it into the ground for 15 years and then offload it on the next asshole. Maybe they can trick the Canadian government into buying it. We love to bail out American companies' failed Canadian experiments.
I think 52% off a Fuel EXe is reasonable for a bike where you have to take the completely realistic risk that the company that makes...
I think 52% off a Fuel EXe is reasonable for a bike where you have to take the completely realistic risk that the company that makes the motor and battery will be defunct (or at least completely exited ebikes) before the warranty on all of the other parts is gone.
On the Vail thing, I agree with Charlie. However, unless they figure out a way to turn things, we're going to see the off-loading of some properties. However, if I were Vail, there are a lot of things I'd sell off before Whistler Blackcomb. I just don't know where the limit lies as to how much they can charge for mediocre or actively bad guest experiences while simultaneously putting few resources into it. Run it into the ground for 15 years and then offload it on the next asshole. Maybe they can trick the Canadian government into buying it. We love to bail out American companies' failed Canadian experiments.
I think 52% off a Fuel EXe is reasonable for a bike where you have to take the completely realistic risk that the company that makes...
I think 52% off a Fuel EXe is reasonable for a bike where you have to take the completely realistic risk that the company that makes the motor and battery will be defunct (or at least completely exited ebikes) before the warranty on all of the other parts is gone.
On the Vail thing, I agree with Charlie. However, unless they figure out a way to turn things, we're going to see the off-loading of some properties. However, if I were Vail, there are a lot of things I'd sell off before Whistler Blackcomb. I just don't know where the limit lies as to how much they can charge for mediocre or actively bad guest experiences while simultaneously putting few resources into it. Run it into the ground for 15 years and then offload it on the next asshole. Maybe they can trick the Canadian government into buying it. We love to bail out American companies' failed Canadian experiments.
Given the current landscape of things, I would not buy stock in TQ
While TQ might bail on MTB's (no evidence of this what so ever but you never know) they are a $500m company with 2000+ employees that's pretty well diversified across multiple industries. Doubt the company itself is going away.
Rumor is that they have a more powerful version of the HPR60 coming as well that should compete with the full power brands. If they keep the same or similar form factor, power delivery, and quiet operation as the current product it should be pretty compelling. I've ridden the current HPR60 a bunch and it's really a great motor at 350+ watts of power, at 750+ it would be a really compelling option.
GoPro inches closer to bankruptcy. Nick is propping the company up by extending a loan of his own money to the tune of $20M @ 6.5% while a buyer is sought. Link.
GoPro inches closer to bankruptcy. Nick is propping the company up by extending a loan of his own money to the tune of $20M @ 6.5%...
GoPro inches closer to bankruptcy. Nick is propping the company up by extending a loan of his own money to the tune of $20M @ 6.5% while a buyer is sought. Link.
On that note man is dji intense on the targeted ads. I spent 30 seconds on their website looking at their powerstation a month ago and since then all I get is dji stuff everywhere.
GoPro inches closer to bankruptcy. Nick is propping the company up by extending a loan of his own money to the tune of $20M @ 6.5%...
GoPro inches closer to bankruptcy. Nick is propping the company up by extending a loan of his own money to the tune of $20M @ 6.5% while a buyer is sought. Link.
On that note man is dji intense on the targeted ads. I spent 30 seconds on their website looking at their powerstation a month ago and...
On that note man is dji intense on the targeted ads. I spent 30 seconds on their website looking at their powerstation a month ago and since then all I get is dji stuff everywhere.
Chris Coccalis (sp?) said he demoed a gen1 Amflow and said that frankly it was a terrible bike that flexed with poor rear suspension performance.Sorry, but...
Chris Coccalis (sp?) said he demoed a gen1 Amflow and said that frankly it was a terrible bike that flexed with poor rear suspension performance.
Sorry, but I don't think even the M2s is up to the standard of the Bosch in silence or feature set, certainly not in weight balance with its high mounted battery. On the forums you'd think the Avinox is the only motor in existence, but when you talk to experienced riders, they are much less impressed.
One thing is certain; people care about looks and power above all else. The less hard to define characteristics such as handling, balance, reliability, serviceability, silence, efficiency (no longer a problem with the M2), actually being class 1 legal, etc. are much lower on the priority list for most people.
One of the most absurd things is people deciding that the Avinox is clearly better based on power. Imagine if MXA did their annual 250F shootout yet added the new CRF450F to the shootout and declared the CRF450F the 'best 250F of the year!'. The fact is that the Avinox is NOT Class 1. Yah, faster can be better, it's why I love motorcycles. But legally Class 2+ is NOT defined as a bicycle, and that's a problem.
Chris Coccalis (sp?) said he demoed a gen1 Amflow and said that frankly it was a terrible bike that flexed with poor rear suspension performance.Sorry, but...
Chris Coccalis (sp?) said he demoed a gen1 Amflow and said that frankly it was a terrible bike that flexed with poor rear suspension performance.
Sorry, but I don't think even the M2s is up to the standard of the Bosch in silence or feature set, certainly not in weight balance with its high mounted battery. On the forums you'd think the Avinox is the only motor in existence, but when you talk to experienced riders, they are much less impressed.
One thing is certain; people care about looks and power above all else. The less hard to define characteristics such as handling, balance, reliability, serviceability, silence, efficiency (no longer a problem with the M2), actually being class 1 legal, etc. are much lower on the priority list for most people.
One of the most absurd things is people deciding that the Avinox is clearly better based on power. Imagine if MXA did their annual 250F shootout yet added the new CRF450F to the shootout and declared the CRF450F the 'best 250F of the year!'. The fact is that the Avinox is NOT Class 1. Yah, faster can be better, it's why I love motorcycles. But legally Class 2+ is NOT defined as a bicycle, and that's a problem.
Just a reminder: no federal statute passed by Congress formally recognizes the Class 1, 2, and 3 e-bike system. Federal law instead defines a “low-speed electric bicycle” as a two- or three-wheeled vehicle that:
Has fully operable pedals. As an aside, if @TEAMROBOT eCVT concept has the rider powering a "generator" rather than mechanically driving the wheel, it may not satisfy this requirement.
Has an electric motor of less than 750 watts.
Cannot exceed 20 mph on level pavement when powered solely by the motor, with a 170-pound rider.
That last provision is how Class 3 bikes can assist up to 28 mph: the rider must be pedaling above 20 mph. Whether that interpretation is completely airtight is another question.
The BLM and National Park Service do recognize the Class 1, 2, and 3 framework in their own land-use regulations. Here is the BLM definition:
There are two major issues the industry should be watching:
Clearer federal and state definitions. The terminology needs to be settled before regulators start writing more rules. Right now, product law, state vehicle law, and federal land-use rules do not all speak the same language.
The peak-power loophole. Federal law says “less than 750 watts,” but it does not clearly define whether that means nominal, continuous, or peak power.
That ambiguity is what everyone pushing 750 watts is exploiting. The same issue exists in Europe with the 250-watt limit. We all know that the Avinox motor can produce more than 750 watts, and it is capable of sustaining that output for much longer than a "momentary burst". Calling it a temporary boost does not resolve the underlying legal question (and by "temporary" we mean "until the battery is drained" lol). At some point, regulators will need to define how motor power is measured and how long output can exceed the stated limit before the bike no longer qualifies as a low-speed electric bicycle.
I’ll save the full Avinox-versus-Bosch comparison for another time, but early testing suggests the Avinox is at least on par with Bosch from a rider-experience standpoint, and arguably better. The criticism that Amflow bikes are “too flexy” also feels overstated. The G1 rides a lot like a Stumpjumper Evo, one of the most popular trail bikes ever made, and nobody treated its flex as a fatal flaw. Flex is not inherently bad. I would take a bike with some give over an overly rigid frame any day, and the G1 Amflow is well within the acceptable range.
They are the old model bike (replaced with the Fuel+), and Trek is on the second year release of those expected in August. Plus there's word of a new Fuel+ coming with modular batteries and the rumored full powered TQ motor.
In the US, Trek has a bunch of NOS Fuel EXE's on their Red Barn site.
I've seen that quote bandied about on a few forums now and while he's right it's also pedantic. The trunnion part of that suspension design isn't the problem, it's the yoke (as we've seen on Specialized time and time again). Sure, it's better to not use a trunnion mount in that design, and Amflow did fix that in the new version (just 2 years later).
Something something speed of iteration.
Chris Coccalis (sp?) said he demoed a gen1 Amflow and said that frankly it was a terrible bike that flexed with poor rear suspension performance.
Sorry, but I don't think even the M2s is up to the standard of the Bosch in silence or feature set, certainly not in weight balance with its high mounted battery. On the forums you'd think the Avinox is the only motor in existence, but when you talk to experienced riders, they are much less impressed.
One thing is certain; people care about looks and power above all else. The less hard to define characteristics such as handling, balance, reliability, serviceability, silence, efficiency (no longer a problem with the M2), actually being class 1 legal, etc. are much lower on the priority list for most people.
One of the most absurd things is people deciding that the Avinox is clearly better based on power. Imagine if MXA did their annual 250F shootout yet added the new CRF450F to the shootout and declared the CRF450F the 'best 250F of the year!'. The fact is that the Avinox is NOT Class 1. Yah, faster can be better, it's why I love motorcycles. But legally Class 2+ is NOT defined as a bicycle, and that's a problem.
I just purchased a new Fuel EX+ so my gf could manage climbs with me when I'm on my Smuggler. It was heavily discounted from $8700 to $6K and my electric company gave me a $600 rebate to boot!
The TQ60 is an amazing motor system in terms of sound and efficiency and it's appropriate for my gf weighing 105# trail riding. The bike will also soon only weigh 41#s, something I could not accomplish with any decent full power bike.
That said, it's pretty well known the new top dog motor system is soon to be released, it's a TQ120 with a similar form factor, noise level, etc. to the TQ60.
Ever notice how every single e-bike reviewer and most industry insiders, prefers a 600 wh battery over the 800wh? Well, the TQ120 comes with a built in 600wh, but importantly due to its compact shape, you'll be able to drop in a 325-350 wh RE that sits really low and as such, doesn't upset the handling.
Also, word is the TQ60 will become a TQ75-85 at the same time which keeps it very relevant, even as a full power e-bike.
I've been wanting to hear your opinion on the TQ60 vs the Fazua since you picked up the Fuel+.
I have a Decoy SN with the Fazua and have been pleased with the motor and power level. My next bike will be the Fuel+, especially since they just dropped the aluminum frame and the price of the base model to $5999 for the '27 year model. I really hope they keep the TQ60 like it is. I think its the sweet spot of the SL systems especially with the modular battery system.
I'm pretty sure Hannah Bergman is on Nike ACG. Not sure if there are any other riders at this point, though.
Guy who owns bike company trashes competitors bike. Shocking.
yes, spread your avinox bias on another forum just to feel good about your outdated bike you still can’t ride
That’s a weird joke, as Oreo is the ripoff of Hydrox, so named because hydrogen and oxygen are clean and pure.
Bad name for a cookie but this tweet is even worse. Should’ve chosen a different product, one that doesn’t have iffy relationships to the element named. Internet rating: 2/5. The point is in there but it’s muddied by the execution. Or am I underestimating the joke and it’s double good because that’s the next layer? Could be.
I quit listening to anyone weird enough to start their own bike company years ago.
Nike made some flat pedal MTB shoes in the mid 2000s in collaboration with Andrew Shandro, the Air Whistler. They were basically stiff Nike SBs with pretty grippy (for the time) soles. Pretty cool.
I had a pair. I had to do a deep stream crossing in Crested Butte, took them off, and tied them around my handlebars. One fell off and was quickly carried away. I think it was about 8 miles I had to do with one shoe back to the car. The remaining shoe lived in my trunk for a long time. Why? I don't know.
Didn’t know about the Air Whistler, maybe a Trek connection somewhere along the line as Nike 6.0 was around in late 2000s, early 2010s and sponsored Semenuk and Cam McCaul.
Yeah, I think I ordered them through Trek.
Nah, he doesn't do that about any other bikes, and he liked the motor system. He wanted to test the motor system and just pointed out how unimpressed he was with the bike itself.
I only pedal the TQ60 around for test rides when working on it as it's much too small for me and I don't want to reset the suspension.
Power feels good, it's easy to get the bike computer to say it's assisting me right at 390watts plus my watts, and it always feels very natural and quiet to ride. In the low setting I have to use the screen to figure out if it's even assisting me or not. If it's turned off, you might as well be pedaling a bike. Can't tell at all except for the extra weight going uphill.
I bet the new RE will be compatible with it as well.
"Saddleback, the major UK cycling distributor that entered administration on 29 May 2026, had a more complicated last few years than previously known. New public filings and accounts from former employees show the owners taking dividends out of the business even as it took on large bank loans and built up debts to more than 150 creditors, many of whom now face being left out of pocket."
https://escapecollective.com/saddleback-administration-millions-in-divi…
Even if snowboarding went OK this year - it probably won't be very soon so its better to quit while you're ahead!
Ouch.. certainly implies things might be a bit dubious...
I think 52% off a Fuel EXe is reasonable for a bike where you have to take the completely realistic risk that the company that makes the motor and battery will be defunct (or at least completely exited ebikes) before the warranty on all of the other parts is gone.
On the Vail thing, I agree with Charlie. However, unless they figure out a way to turn things, we're going to see the off-loading of some properties. However, if I were Vail, there are a lot of things I'd sell off before Whistler Blackcomb. I just don't know where the limit lies as to how much they can charge for mediocre or actively bad guest experiences while simultaneously putting few resources into it. Run it into the ground for 15 years and then offload it on the next asshole. Maybe they can trick the Canadian government into buying it. We love to bail out American companies' failed Canadian experiments.
that motor is from tq, not from fazua.
Given the current landscape of things, I would not buy stock in TQ
While TQ might bail on MTB's (no evidence of this what so ever but you never know) they are a $500m company with 2000+ employees that's pretty well diversified across multiple industries. Doubt the company itself is going away.
Rumor is that they have a more powerful version of the HPR60 coming as well that should compete with the full power brands. If they keep the same or similar form factor, power delivery, and quiet operation as the current product it should be pretty compelling. I've ridden the current HPR60 a bunch and it's really a great motor at 350+ watts of power, at 750+ it would be a really compelling option.
the thing is, your view of things is pretty irrelevant judging by your posting style
GoPro inches closer to bankruptcy. Nick is propping the company up by extending a loan of his own money to the tune of $20M @ 6.5% while a buyer is sought. Link.
On that note man is dji intense on the targeted ads. I spent 30 seconds on their website looking at their powerstation a month ago and since then all I get is dji stuff everywhere.
Especially that guy who owns a bike company. 🙄
Just a reminder: no federal statute passed by Congress formally recognizes the Class 1, 2, and 3 e-bike system. Federal law instead defines a “low-speed electric bicycle” as a two- or three-wheeled vehicle that:
That last provision is how Class 3 bikes can assist up to 28 mph: the rider must be pedaling above 20 mph. Whether that interpretation is completely airtight is another question.
The BLM and National Park Service do recognize the Class 1, 2, and 3 framework in their own land-use regulations. Here is the BLM definition:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/43/420.5
There are two major issues the industry should be watching:
That ambiguity is what everyone pushing 750 watts is exploiting. The same issue exists in Europe with the 250-watt limit. We all know that the Avinox motor can produce more than 750 watts, and it is capable of sustaining that output for much longer than a "momentary burst". Calling it a temporary boost does not resolve the underlying legal question (and by "temporary" we mean "until the battery is drained" lol). At some point, regulators will need to define how motor power is measured and how long output can exceed the stated limit before the bike no longer qualifies as a low-speed electric bicycle.
I’ll save the full Avinox-versus-Bosch comparison for another time, but early testing suggests the Avinox is at least on par with Bosch from a rider-experience standpoint, and arguably better. The criticism that Amflow bikes are “too flexy” also feels overstated. The G1 rides a lot like a Stumpjumper Evo, one of the most popular trail bikes ever made, and nobody treated its flex as a fatal flaw. Flex is not inherently bad. I would take a bike with some give over an overly rigid frame any day, and the G1 Amflow is well within the acceptable range.
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