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2026 and you guys are still complaining about motors on bikes. Please find a different thread.

The use of analog to describe mountain bikes is ironic AF

I should have written „for a whole ride“. Your post sounds a bit harsh imho. ;-) And no doubt, there are people who ride their emtbs like regular bikes. And folks who can ride (again) because of emtbs. Cool! And I don’t even judge, as long as people enjoy emtbing, I am happy. Regular bikers can also be fun OR problematic, no worries. But to me it feels more and more like a different sport. It’s not biking it’s biking with a motor… If I am on an emtb, I sure ride differently. And most bikers who were bikers before...

I will never understand the “it’s a whole separate sport” thing. I ride my ebike exactly like my analog bike just do more laps. Literally every other person I know with an ebike does the same and is not going out and climbing up downhill trails in boost. I see plenty of e-bikes on the lift at the bike park being ridden like analog bikes. The innovation is happening in the motor and battery because the “bike part” of the tech has plateaued. Amflow proved this by making a decent riding bike out of thin air.

I take this more as neither one of these things are likely to happen. Shaving 20% of the Levo seems likely as does seeing a new enduro anytime soon.

Hear me out: Mountain Bike!

Downmountain?

Alldownmountain

Rumor has it they're adding it to GTA6 😂

Did some estimations of yoke length based on difference in BB height between the regular and evo Levos since I don't have the evo yoke in hand. The yoke length is almost certainly off by a mm or two, but that doesn't change leverage curve much.

Huh, I'm not even mad. Unlike mountainbikes, a bikepacking ATB seems like the perfect application scenario for 32" wheels.

If I like this does it mean I might be a closet singlespeeder ?

Especially if they did it a year ago, and used a full 65mm stroke 🤣

If only someone made a linkage that allowed a longer shock to to be run on the Levo and it yielded 170 mm of travel. That would be wild.

Levo 4 Evo. We need a thread listing worst mouthful bike names.

Except there is no "flurry of 32 inch releases" and there wont be for some time (, if ever). I predict that a lot of the big-brand 32" bikes will never really be released to market and instead take the form of small batch, not publically available racing-team special editions - like the upcoming Trek XC bike.

478 chainstay on the XL. I think I’m legally obligated to get one of these

Packaging isn't a trivial problem to solve, the ultra slim pf700 battery gets the high energy density by using 4680 cells (46x80mm) to get the 36v they need in the pack you need to have all cells in series. This means to hit the density with the less capacity and weight you need to drop system voltage and therefore develop a new motor unit. The lower motor voltage isn't an issue as it all cancels with increased winding resistance in higher voltage motors to hit the torque constant.

And isn't the Druid Core Lite, just dressed in lightweight parts to keep the weight down?