While better than/worse than is always comparative, I think when we start narrowing down what discipline of riding is relevant, we can start to have more productive conversations of cs balance without boiling it down to preference. I mean, we can take either to the extreme and say it starts being a bad thing. Nobody wants a 450 reach and a 650 cs. Nobody wants a 450 reach and a 300 cs. When we're talking the big mountain stuff that's relevant to the bikes at hand, something pulling 160+ numbers, we can assume it's going to be made for steeper...