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shreda wrote:

Next one:

Frameworks is rumored to shift production to one of Taiwans premium aluminum manufacturers for better manufacturing quality and consistency.

I assumed production had been moved elsewhere some time ago because the website doesn't make any noise about them being made in the USA

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I'm going to preface this with "I absolutely zero interest in electronic shifting", but I think it's hard to argue against Shimano actually producing a wireless...

I'm going to preface this with "I absolutely zero interest in electronic shifting", but I think it's hard to argue against Shimano actually producing a wireless groupset being one of the biggest tech stories of the year. It might not be groundbreaking in the same way AXS was, but I appreciate SRAM doesn't have a monopoly on wireless anymore. 

I also think full production ready looking Specialized Demo dh bike being shown to the world is pretty huge after years and years of different prototypes.

yzedf wrote:
Shimano has been on the “me too” cycle with mountain bike products for at least the last 10 years. It’s all just been reactions to what...

Shimano has been on the “me too” cycle with mountain bike products for at least the last 10 years. It’s all just been reactions to what SRAM and others have been doing. Nominating them for any kind of award is just a hard no in my opinion. 

Right, I think Shimano's focus on innovation is probably in the manufacturing side of the business.

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This would also help with availability.. Unfortunately, until something changes here in the US, this is a move that is hard to avoid..

Isn't Trump trying to make America great again ?

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shreda wrote:

Next one:

Frameworks is rumored to shift production to one of Taiwans premium aluminum manufacturers for better manufacturing quality and consistency.

boozed wrote:

I assumed production had been moved elsewhere some time ago because the website doesn't make any noise about them being made in the USA

I’m 90% sure the front triangles are still welded by frank the welder, it was on ig last year.  The rocker is also machined in the US, but the rear triangle is molded in Taiwan.  

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ebruner wrote:
The single most newsworthy innovation is widely available USD forks.  Regarding other things that stick out to me from this last year:-Chain Slap / Anti-kick back...

The single most newsworthy innovation is widely available USD forks.  

Regarding other things that stick out to me from this last year:

-Chain Slap / Anti-kick back devices: E13 sidekick hub, DT Swiss DGDF

-Drivetrain items: Shimano Wireless, Sram c70/c90 mechanical transmission

-Misc suspension: MRP Lift Damper, Fox DHX/X2 lineup, Push Sv8/vtx, More Bomber/DHX aftermarket tuning options

-Brakes: Hope's new lineup, Maven Base, Shimano's new brakes, Lewis Xerox Machine, thicker rotors, rotor shrouds

-Ebike: Bosch cx gen 5, DJI avinox, specialized fast charger for levo 4

-Apparel/Accessories: Battery tire inflation pump madness, Canyon's new breakaway helmet design, The return of shoulder strap packs (many), the return of shorts in downhill racing, garmin inreach 4?

-Tires: Schwalbe Radial tires, 120tpi tire options (more), Maxxis HR3 and dissector 2

I'm sure there are more that I am forgetting... at least I hope there are.  

what was not newsworthy (because nobody buys ads or sends free product for "review"): how a small company from freiburg, germany with a few employees beats the big companies in fork and brake performance and quality craftmanship

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In the words of Ruben, from Raaw:

...(and yes, there’s a lot to plan and coordinate for 2026 😉)...

There were some hints for a new dropout sistem for the trailbikes. what more they will have under their sleeves? I'm kinda looking forward for that company to release an E-Madonna...

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boozed wrote:

I assumed production had been moved elsewhere some time ago because the website doesn't make any noise about them being made in the USA

I had one of the my ‘26 enduro frames in my hands a couple weeks ago.   

If literally hundreds of FTW built frames hadn’t passed through my hands over the last 25 years, I would be hard pressed to tell the difference, the start-stop marks on the welds were even in the same place Frank does them.

Neko and Logan need margin and scalability to build a sustainable brand.  That takes working with a more vertically integrated supplier- and there really isn’t anyone domestically that has the manufacturing firepower to match the amazing product and marketing firepower the Mullaly boys have created.

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bikelurker wrote:
In the words of Ruben, from Raaw:...(and yes, there’s a lot to plan and coordinate for 2026 😉)...There were some hints for a new...

In the words of Ruben, from Raaw:

...(and yes, there’s a lot to plan and coordinate for 2026 😉)...

There were some hints for a new dropout sistem for the trailbikes. what more they will have under their sleeves? I'm kinda looking forward for that company to release an E-Madonna...

That last thing I want to see is an e-bike from Raaw. With so much turbulence in the industry they're better off just sticking to their core lineup and continuing to refine it.

Plenty of other brands to choose from if you're so set on an e-bike.

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That last thing I want to see is an e-bike from Raaw. With so much turbulence in the industry they're better off just sticking to their...

That last thing I want to see is an e-bike from Raaw. With so much turbulence in the industry they're better off just sticking to their core lineup and continuing to refine it.

Plenty of other brands to choose from if you're so set on an e-bike.

I don’t have data on this but it feels every smaller company when they release an ebike goes under shortly after, especially if it was carbon. Revel and Deviate that was the case. Maybe it’s the cost of the R&D is so much it strains the company, I don’t know. 

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That last thing I want to see is an e-bike from Raaw. With so much turbulence in the industry they're better off just sticking to their...

That last thing I want to see is an e-bike from Raaw. With so much turbulence in the industry they're better off just sticking to their core lineup and continuing to refine it.

Plenty of other brands to choose from if you're so set on an e-bike.

jasbushey wrote:
I don’t have data on this but it feels every smaller company when they release an ebike goes under shortly after, especially if it was carbon...

I don’t have data on this but it feels every smaller company when they release an ebike goes under shortly after, especially if it was carbon. Revel and Deviate that was the case. Maybe it’s the cost of the R&D is so much it strains the company, I don’t know. 

Not particularly set on an ebike myself, never owned one,the way I look at it, most of them go from shitty to "good" but poor value with nothing in the middle. Thats why I think that the realibility, serviceability, life expectancy, and quality of life features that Raaw puts at the forefront of the bikes they design will make for a compelling proposition if they decide to enter in the ebike market. Who knows, we will see.

Another quote from that same email:

...Julian shapes the RAAW universe – whether it’s owner’s manuals or logos for a new bike...

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saskskier wrote:
I'm going to preface this with "I absolutely zero interest in electronic shifting", but I think it's hard to argue against Shimano actually producing a wireless...

I'm going to preface this with "I absolutely zero interest in electronic shifting", but I think it's hard to argue against Shimano actually producing a wireless groupset being one of the biggest tech stories of the year. It might not be groundbreaking in the same way AXS was, but I appreciate SRAM doesn't have a monopoly on wireless anymore. 

I also think full production ready looking Specialized Demo dh bike being shown to the world is pretty huge after years and years of different prototypes.

yzedf wrote:
Shimano has been on the “me too” cycle with mountain bike products for at least the last 10 years. It’s all just been reactions to what...

Shimano has been on the “me too” cycle with mountain bike products for at least the last 10 years. It’s all just been reactions to what SRAM and others have been doing. Nominating them for any kind of award is just a hard no in my opinion. 

But then again, judging by that criterium, literally nothing that happened in cycling in the last 12 months could be nominated for any sort of innovation award. It’s all just been very small incremental refinement - which I’m honestly totally fine with, because don’t fix what’s not broken (and also for that same reason: 32“ wheels can go do one).

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saskskier wrote:
I'm going to preface this with "I absolutely zero interest in electronic shifting", but I think it's hard to argue against Shimano actually producing a wireless...

I'm going to preface this with "I absolutely zero interest in electronic shifting", but I think it's hard to argue against Shimano actually producing a wireless groupset being one of the biggest tech stories of the year. It might not be groundbreaking in the same way AXS was, but I appreciate SRAM doesn't have a monopoly on wireless anymore. 

I also think full production ready looking Specialized Demo dh bike being shown to the world is pretty huge after years and years of different prototypes.

yzedf wrote:
Shimano has been on the “me too” cycle with mountain bike products for at least the last 10 years. It’s all just been reactions to what...

Shimano has been on the “me too” cycle with mountain bike products for at least the last 10 years. It’s all just been reactions to what SRAM and others have been doing. Nominating them for any kind of award is just a hard no in my opinion. 

FullSend wrote:
But then again, judging by that criterium, literally nothing that happened in cycling in the last 12 months could be nominated for any sort of innovation...

But then again, judging by that criterium, literally nothing that happened in cycling in the last 12 months could be nominated for any sort of innovation award. It’s all just been very small incremental refinement - which I’m honestly totally fine with, because don’t fix what’s not broken (and also for that same reason: 32“ wheels can go do one).

Outlier Pendulums are definitely different and innovative. They may not be for everyone, but I love mine.

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Innovation award to sram for app updates and the quicker derailleur shifting speeds 

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Unovation? I vote for the SRAM 70/90 mechanical derailleurs. The average rider has no idea that their bent derailleur hanger is ruining their shifting. In terms of performance improvement for the masses, this is one of the best advances ever.

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ebruner wrote:
The single most newsworthy innovation is widely available USD forks.  Regarding other things that stick out to me from this last year:-Chain Slap / Anti-kick back...

The single most newsworthy innovation is widely available USD forks.  

Regarding other things that stick out to me from this last year:

-Chain Slap / Anti-kick back devices: E13 sidekick hub, DT Swiss DGDF

-Drivetrain items: Shimano Wireless, Sram c70/c90 mechanical transmission

-Misc suspension: MRP Lift Damper, Fox DHX/X2 lineup, Push Sv8/vtx, More Bomber/DHX aftermarket tuning options

-Brakes: Hope's new lineup, Maven Base, Shimano's new brakes, Lewis Xerox Machine, thicker rotors, rotor shrouds

-Ebike: Bosch cx gen 5, DJI avinox, specialized fast charger for levo 4

-Apparel/Accessories: Battery tire inflation pump madness, Canyon's new breakaway helmet design, The return of shoulder strap packs (many), the return of shorts in downhill racing, garmin inreach 4?

-Tires: Schwalbe Radial tires, 120tpi tire options (more), Maxxis HR3 and dissector 2

I'm sure there are more that I am forgetting... at least I hope there are.  

Unfortunately about half of those are from 2024.

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12/11/2025 9:46am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2025 9:48am
thomas1965 wrote:
noticed on the press release for the new limited editionYT tues, looks like a 20mm variant of industry nine's 1/1. No 20mm options on i9's configurator...

noticed on the press release for the new limited editionYT tues, looks like a 20mm variant of industry nine's 1/1. No 20mm options on i9's configurator currently, I believe the bearings they already run have space for a 20mm axle, i9 just hasn't ever made the endcaps. Maybe YT got them to spin up a batch for these builds, maybe there's a 1/1 2 coming down the pipe. just caught my eye

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The V10.8 I bought in 2024 has a set of 1/1 hubs with 20mm end caps...

Yeah reserves have been coming with 20mm 1/1s for a few years now 

Note that even though they use the same bearings, the 20mm is apparently a different shell than the 15mm. This means you can convert the 20mm >> 15mm with just different axle/endcaps (same bearings), but not the other way around afaik. 

Here is the response I got from Thomas @ i9 when I inquired about converting my 20mm:

"Those 20mm 1/1 fronts are based on an entirely different hubshell than the standard 15mm boost ones. To convert that down to a 15x110, you would actually use Hydra parts: HAX2600 axle and HKMA03 endcaps. The bearing spec would remain the same between the two."

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thomas1965 wrote:
noticed on the press release for the new limited editionYT tues, looks like a 20mm variant of industry nine's 1/1. No 20mm options on i9's configurator...

noticed on the press release for the new limited editionYT tues, looks like a 20mm variant of industry nine's 1/1. No 20mm options on i9's configurator currently, I believe the bearings they already run have space for a 20mm axle, i9 just hasn't ever made the endcaps. Maybe YT got them to spin up a batch for these builds, maybe there's a 1/1 2 coming down the pipe. just caught my eye

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segamethod wrote:

The V10.8 I bought in 2024 has a set of 1/1 hubs with 20mm end caps...

Yeah reserves have been coming with 20mm 1/1s for a few years now 

the 20mm 1-1 hubs are OEM only. 

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thomas1965 wrote:
noticed on the press release for the new limited editionYT tues, looks like a 20mm variant of industry nine's 1/1. No 20mm options on i9's configurator...

noticed on the press release for the new limited editionYT tues, looks like a 20mm variant of industry nine's 1/1. No 20mm options on i9's configurator currently, I believe the bearings they already run have space for a 20mm axle, i9 just hasn't ever made the endcaps. Maybe YT got them to spin up a batch for these builds, maybe there's a 1/1 2 coming down the pipe. just caught my eye

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segamethod wrote:

The V10.8 I bought in 2024 has a set of 1/1 hubs with 20mm end caps...

Yep, same. 
I9 1/1 with Reserve 30 AL

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yzedf wrote:
Shimano has been on the “me too” cycle with mountain bike products for at least the last 10 years. It’s all just been reactions to what...

Shimano has been on the “me too” cycle with mountain bike products for at least the last 10 years. It’s all just been reactions to what SRAM and others have been doing. Nominating them for any kind of award is just a hard no in my opinion. 

FullSend wrote:
But then again, judging by that criterium, literally nothing that happened in cycling in the last 12 months could be nominated for any sort of innovation...

But then again, judging by that criterium, literally nothing that happened in cycling in the last 12 months could be nominated for any sort of innovation award. It’s all just been very small incremental refinement - which I’m honestly totally fine with, because don’t fix what’s not broken (and also for that same reason: 32“ wheels can go do one).

ballz wrote:

Outlier Pendulums are definitely different and innovative. They may not be for everyone, but I love mine.

Alas, not from 2025. 

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Mondraker proto DH bike will be in production for 2026,Screenshot 2025-12-11 215434.png?VersionId=F2SNkUcU3IWoDVs

Also comes with a 2026 Boxxer, which has Charger 3.2 and "air preload" (I assume this is that bump in the left lower)Screenshot 2025-12-11 215502.png?VersionId=mzgQEz

And DH transmission will be under the XX label, with new cranks

,Screenshot 2025-12-11 215530

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12/11/2025 7:32pm Edited Date/Time 12/11/2025 7:33pm

took this from forbidden group

Interesting

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12/11/2025 7:33pm Edited Date/Time 12/11/2025 7:50pm
roost66 wrote:
Mondraker proto DH bike will be in production for 2026,Also comes with a 2026 Boxxer, which has Charger 3.2 and "air preload" (I assume this is...

Mondraker proto DH bike will be in production for 2026,Screenshot 2025-12-11 215434.png?VersionId=F2SNkUcU3IWoDVs

Also comes with a 2026 Boxxer, which has Charger 3.2 and "air preload" (I assume this is that bump in the left lower)Screenshot 2025-12-11 215502.png?VersionId=mzgQEz

And DH transmission will be under the XX label, with new cranks

,Screenshot 2025-12-11 215530

How’s everyone feel about DH transmission?

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How’s everyone feel about DH transmission?

I should go singlespeed on my dh bike at this point. That point aside, if I was racing at the pointy end and if it actually shifted more reliably, then sure I would give it a go if my frame sponsor happened to also have a UDH and I wasn’t on a Shimano or Box equipped package. 

I really doubt it can shift at 1,000+ watts though. 

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12/11/2025 9:23pm Edited Date/Time 12/11/2025 10:01pm
yzedf wrote:
I should go singlespeed on my dh bike at this point. That point aside, if I was racing at the pointy end and if it actually...

I should go singlespeed on my dh bike at this point. That point aside, if I was racing at the pointy end and if it actually shifted more reliably, then sure I would give it a go if my frame sponsor happened to also have a UDH and I wasn’t on a Shimano or Box equipped package. 

I really doubt it can shift at 1,000+ watts though. 

If you're Amaury Pierron and you have a mountain of spare derailleurs waiting for you at the team truck, I'm sure DH Transmission is lovely to use. It's probably pretty durable, and shifts great under power.

But as a customer, I can't imagine ever justifying a $500 derailleur on a DH bike, not to mention having one more thing to forget to charge before riding. Maybe ten years from now the price of electronic shifting will come back down to earth, but for now it's crazy to me to use a $500 tool in a vulnerable spot on a DH race bike that's going to go through hell when a $100 tool will work just fine.

For those customers who have lots of money, who like buying shiny things, and who aren't hard on bikes, I'm sure that employees of SRAM- and, really, bike companies everywhere- thank you for your service.

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roost66 wrote:
Mondraker proto DH bike will be in production for 2026,Also comes with a 2026 Boxxer, which has Charger 3.2 and "air preload" (I assume this is...

Mondraker proto DH bike will be in production for 2026,Screenshot 2025-12-11 215434.png?VersionId=F2SNkUcU3IWoDVs

Also comes with a 2026 Boxxer, which has Charger 3.2 and "air preload" (I assume this is that bump in the left lower)Screenshot 2025-12-11 215502.png?VersionId=mzgQEz

And DH transmission will be under the XX label, with new cranks

,Screenshot 2025-12-11 215530

How’s everyone feel about DH transmission?

Eagle 90 DH would go hard. Maybe the cages will be compatible?

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roost66 wrote:
Mondraker proto DH bike will be in production for 2026,Also comes with a 2026 Boxxer, which has Charger 3.2 and "air preload" (I assume this is...

Mondraker proto DH bike will be in production for 2026,Screenshot 2025-12-11 215434.png?VersionId=F2SNkUcU3IWoDVs

Also comes with a 2026 Boxxer, which has Charger 3.2 and "air preload" (I assume this is that bump in the left lower)Screenshot 2025-12-11 215502.png?VersionId=mzgQEz

And DH transmission will be under the XX label, with new cranks

,Screenshot 2025-12-11 215530

How’s everyone feel about DH transmission?

For what reason?

 The GX setup on my V10 shifts as smoothly as I need it to, and can be replaced at minimal cost. I’d think that money would be better spent on a custom fork and shock tune. 

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12/12/2025 3:54am Edited Date/Time 12/12/2025 4:01am

Pros.. A T-type DH drivetrain should be more durable. The most vulnerable part is now smaller and replaceable. 

Cons.. Cost.

I agree,  a GX DH setup would be my choice. Maybe throw on a XO shifter if I wanted to splurge a bit. Spending the extra money on things that are more important for DH.

Crazy/ stupid idea.. With 148 showing up on more DH bikes, how about singlespeed with a Classified rear hub?

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roost66 wrote:

Eagle 90 DH would go hard. Maybe the cages will be compatible?

you‘d need another shifter, can’t block gears without limiter screws on the derailleur 

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roost66 wrote:

Eagle 90 DH would go hard. Maybe the cages will be compatible?

sethimus wrote:

you‘d need another shifter, can’t block gears without limiter screws on the derailleur 

Lidl-Trek made their own limit screw to meet UCI gearing limits, should be adaptable to other T-Type mechs:

Source: https://escapecollective.com/12-cogs-13-speed-derailleur-lidl-treks-rou…

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That last thing I want to see is an e-bike from Raaw. With so much turbulence in the industry they're better off just sticking to their...

That last thing I want to see is an e-bike from Raaw. With so much turbulence in the industry they're better off just sticking to their core lineup and continuing to refine it.

Plenty of other brands to choose from if you're so set on an e-bike.

jasbushey wrote:
I don’t have data on this but it feels every smaller company when they release an ebike goes under shortly after, especially if it was carbon...

I don’t have data on this but it feels every smaller company when they release an ebike goes under shortly after, especially if it was carbon. Revel and Deviate that was the case. Maybe it’s the cost of the R&D is so much it strains the company, I don’t know. 

bikelurker wrote:
Not particularly set on an ebike myself, never owned one,the way I look at it, most of them go from shitty to "good" but poor value...

Not particularly set on an ebike myself, never owned one,the way I look at it, most of them go from shitty to "good" but poor value with nothing in the middle. Thats why I think that the realibility, serviceability, life expectancy, and quality of life features that Raaw puts at the forefront of the bikes they design will make for a compelling proposition if they decide to enter in the ebike market. Who knows, we will see.

Another quote from that same email:

...Julian shapes the RAAW universe – whether it’s owner’s manuals or logos for a new bike...

I can appreciate your angle -- Raaw is focused on great riding bikes that are easy for the owner ride hard, put away wet and maintain and why wouldn't we want that with an e-bike? Make something more complex less complex for the average person.

I think the issue arises with motors, batteries, etc -- I don't think they'll ever be as durable as a standard Raaw bike so you introduce complexities into a company that's built itself off of offering a less complex product. Then you increase operating coast because you have folks spending more time on R&D and customer service, while possibly increasing warranty tickets because complexity introduces more room for problems.

I don't have a degree in anything to do with business so I might be talking out my a** but I love my Raaw and I'd hate to see the brand compromised because of the e-bike trend.

Okay - thanks for listening to my rant. Back to rumor stuff. I hear the new 38 is closer to production ready that we might have anticipated.

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