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Suns_PSD
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9/14/2025 6:52am
Trocko wrote:
Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

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shreda wrote:

Probably the Sidekick-like hub internals

My understanding is that it has that feature where you can slightly move the pedals backwards and it completely disengages the hub so it rolls freely and has no kickback at all.

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yzedf
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9/14/2025 7:02am
ahleic09 wrote:
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2/3 of the general idea of a Vampire?

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Finkill
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9/14/2025 7:11am Edited Date/Time 9/14/2025 9:50am
TimBud wrote:

What’s Berrecloth on… 😬

MTBrent wrote:
AI is good for some things I guess! From the AI-generated summary that sourced the Ursa Bikes patent app:https://patents.google.com/patent/CA3155940A1/en

AI is good for some things I guess! From the AI-generated summary that sourced the Ursa Bikes patent app:

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https://patents.google.com/patent/CA3155940A1/en

ahleic09 wrote:
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Looks like the Lapierre, or as mentioned above, 2/3 of the vampire setup. Be interested to see what unique claims they are making that is different to that prior art. 

Edit, looks like the patent is from 2022, so well before the Lapierre was released. 

Brian_Peterson
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9/14/2025 7:58am
DorianKane wrote:
Stiffness of the shell the motor sits in is more important than you‘d think apparently. I am not a specialist but it makes sense to me...

Stiffness of the shell the motor sits in is more important than you‘d think apparently. I am not a specialist but it makes sense to me since we have different power and torque numbers as well as the freedom for motor manufacturers to operate with different layouts. Belt driven inside the motor, motor around the spindle, mgu etc.

I would love to have a UDH thing for motors but peeking over to other power vehicle industries I think it is very unlikely for various, valid reasons.

One difference between the bike industry vs other power vehicle industries is our size.. We aren't nearly as big. Those larger companies can afford to have their own ecosystems.. For us, if a couple of companies decided on a ebike motor mounting standard,  it wouldn't take long for the rest of the industry to follow..

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9/14/2025 9:03am
Saw the new Demo being ridden at Sun Peaks yesterday

Saw the new Demo being ridden at Sun Peaks yesterdayIMG 5315 0

who was riding it? Boxxer fork and Ohlins shock. Looking very production with downtube protection

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9/14/2025 9:49am
Saw the new Demo being ridden at Sun Peaks yesterday

Saw the new Demo being ridden at Sun Peaks yesterdayIMG 5315 0

That's either the best marketplace/eBay find of all time, or a Specialized engineer on their day off 😂

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Uncle Cliffy
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9/14/2025 9:49am

who was riding it? Boxxer fork and Ohlins shock. Looking very production with downtube protection

I was told the bike is in production right now and will have a spring release.

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9/14/2025 9:55am
Saw the new Demo being ridden at Sun Peaks yesterday

Saw the new Demo being ridden at Sun Peaks yesterdayIMG 5315 0

Great spot. I've only seen photos of the carbon one under pro racers during WC races. This is the first out in the wild photo I've seen of the carbon production version.

Did you get any other photos? I'm wondering about the rear mech. It looks like there is a shifter with cable coming out it beside the right hand brake lever.

But the cranks are Transmission gen XO..

The rear mech looks kinda chunky... looks a bit like the chunky clutch shape on the Transmission mechs. 

We've all seen a DH version of wireless axs Transmission is coming out soon but wondering if there will be a mechanical DH transmission too.

Dont suppose you got a pic that shows the rear mech?

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Brian_Peterson
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9/14/2025 11:35am
Great spot. I've only seen photos of the carbon one under pro racers during WC races. This is the first out in the wild photo I've...

Great spot. I've only seen photos of the carbon one under pro racers during WC races. This is the first out in the wild photo I've seen of the carbon production version.

Did you get any other photos? I'm wondering about the rear mech. It looks like there is a shifter with cable coming out it beside the right hand brake lever.

But the cranks are Transmission gen XO..

The rear mech looks kinda chunky... looks a bit like the chunky clutch shape on the Transmission mechs. 

We've all seen a DH version of wireless axs Transmission is coming out soon but wondering if there will be a mechanical DH transmission too.

Dont suppose you got a pic that shows the rear mech?

I would guess the crank is an ebike crank.. And with more of the T-type DH setups floating around the pits, I'd be will to bet the new Demo and DH group, or groups, get released it a fairly close time frame..

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ebikeluver
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9/14/2025 11:37am
Why do companies not make coil forks with progressive coil springs like how CC/DVO/MRP have done for their rear shocks? It feels wonderful for those who...

Why do companies not make coil forks with progressive coil springs like how CC/DVO/MRP have done for their rear shocks? It feels wonderful for those who are about that. At least as far as rear shocks go. But I have yet to buy a coil fork because I love a lot of progression and I worry Id get one and there would definitely be very little support. 

Race only springs makes some stuff for forks, I dunno how expensive or custom it is though. 

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yzedf
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9/14/2025 11:55am
Why do companies not make coil forks with progressive coil springs like how CC/DVO/MRP have done for their rear shocks? It feels wonderful for those who...

Why do companies not make coil forks with progressive coil springs like how CC/DVO/MRP have done for their rear shocks? It feels wonderful for those who are about that. At least as far as rear shocks go. But I have yet to buy a coil fork because I love a lot of progression and I worry Id get one and there would definitely be very little support. 

ebikeluver wrote:

Race only springs makes some stuff for forks, I dunno how expensive or custom it is though. 

Vorsprung Smashpot V2 coil conversion is dual rate progressive springs for 180/190/200 travel. 

https://vorsprungsuspension.com/collections/mountain-bike-suspension-sm…

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9/14/2025 3:28pm
Trocko wrote:
Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

IMG 2032.png?VersionId=ii
shreda wrote:

Probably the Sidekick-like hub internals

Suns_PSD wrote:
My understanding is that it has that feature where you can slightly move the pedals backwards and it completely disengages the hub so it rolls freely...

My understanding is that it has that feature where you can slightly move the pedals backwards and it completely disengages the hub so it rolls freely and has no kickback at all.

This I am not sure of, just know it has three positions which you can choose from

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9/14/2025 4:32pm

In addition to the DT Swiss hub rumours, I heard that E13 is releasing V2 of the sidekick hub sometime soon (October-ish). Will be lighter, more refined, and cheaper, from what I hear. 

Another rumour is that Santa Cruz will release a new Megatower and Nomad in spring 2026. No info on what changes are being made, but assuming similar to Bronson/Hightower. 

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JordonMTB
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9/14/2025 8:10pm

New Transition soon? Spotted in the Woolley Fest highlight video. 

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9/15/2025 1:50am

Perhaps a rampage release under Hannah and Jackson?

9/15/2025 3:05am
Trocko wrote:
Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

IMG 2032.png?VersionId=ii
shreda wrote:

Probably the Sidekick-like hub internals

Suns_PSD wrote:
My understanding is that it has that feature where you can slightly move the pedals backwards and it completely disengages the hub so it rolls freely...

My understanding is that it has that feature where you can slightly move the pedals backwards and it completely disengages the hub so it rolls freely and has no kickback at all.

That's the WRP zero friction internals for DT hubs you are thinking of

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saskskier
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9/15/2025 10:18am
JordonMTB wrote:
New Transition soon? Spotted in the Woolley Fest highlight video.  

New Transition soon? Spotted in the Woolley Fest highlight video. 

Screenshot 2025-09-14 at 10.58.57%E2%80%AFPM

 

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I have unofficial confirmation from a local shop that it's the new Bottle Rocket. 

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9/15/2025 10:20am Edited Date/Time 9/15/2025 10:20am
JordonMTB wrote:
New Transition soon? Spotted in the Woolley Fest highlight video.  

New Transition soon? Spotted in the Woolley Fest highlight video. 

Screenshot 2025-09-14 at 10.58.57%E2%80%AFPM

 

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Been seen 100 times now. Even there not full sponsor riders have them.   They are they new bottle rocket 180 frame full 27.5

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kcw72
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9/15/2025 12:14pm
shreda wrote:

Probably the Sidekick-like hub internals

Suns_PSD wrote:
My understanding is that it has that feature where you can slightly move the pedals backwards and it completely disengages the hub so it rolls freely...

My understanding is that it has that feature where you can slightly move the pedals backwards and it completely disengages the hub so it rolls freely and has no kickback at all.

That's the WRP zero friction internals for DT hubs you are thinking of

Be cool if dt Swiss bought that tech from mic and he now has a pile not cash to throw at his other crazy inventions 

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piratetrails
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9/15/2025 2:22pm
JordonMTB wrote:
New Transition soon? Spotted in the Woolley Fest highlight video.  

New Transition soon? Spotted in the Woolley Fest highlight video. 

Screenshot 2025-09-14 at 10.58.57%E2%80%AFPM

 

Screenshot 2025-09-14 at 11.00.25%E2%80%AFPM

Dual crown + water bottle. Sounds trivial but a huge feature for us who just ride park and don't race.

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mfoga
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9/15/2025 3:42pm
JordonMTB wrote:
New Transition soon? Spotted in the Woolley Fest highlight video.  

New Transition soon? Spotted in the Woolley Fest highlight video. 

Screenshot 2025-09-14 at 10.58.57%E2%80%AFPM

 

Screenshot 2025-09-14 at 11.00.25%E2%80%AFPM

Dual crown + water bottle. Sounds trivial but a huge feature for us who just ride park and don't race.

Not going to lie that was a plus to the new orbea. That and you can literally have two bikes in one 

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Yeti LTe

23.3kg (Give or take)

170/160mm Travel

Bosch 800wh battery.

Screenshot 2025-09-16 132019
Prices above in NZD.

Yeti LTe T3 Specs:

Bike Specifications
Travel
* 160mm (6.3”)
Weight
* 51.43 lbs / 23.3 kg

Suspension
* Fork: FOX Factory 38 GRIP X2, 170mm
* Shock: FOX Factory Float X2

Wheels & Tires
* Wheelset: DT Swiss HXC1700, 30mm
* Front Tire: Schwalbe Magic Mary Trail Pro 2.5, Radial Ultra Soft
* Rear Tire: Schwalbe Albert Gravity Pro 2.5, Radial Soft
* Front Rotor: SRAM HS2, 200mm
* Rear Rotor: SRAM HS2, 200mm

Drivetrain
* Crank: SRAM X0, 160mm
* Derailleur: SRAM X0 Eagle AXS Transmission
* Cassette: SRAM X0 Eagle Transmission, 10–52T
* Chain: SRAM X0 Eagle Transmission Flattop
* Shifter: SRAM AXS Pod Controller

Brakes
* SRAM Maven Silver

Cockpit
* Grips: ODI Elite Pro
* Bar: Yeti Carbon Bar, 35 x 800mm
* Stem: Burgtec Enduro MK3, 35 x 50mm
* Headset: Cane Creek 40

Seatpost & Saddle
* Dropper Post: SRAM Reverb AXS, 31.6mm
* SM: 150mm | MD: 175mm | LG/XL: 200mm
* Saddle: WTB Solano Chromoly

Electronics
* Drive Unit: Bosch Performance Line CX BDU38
* Display: Bosch Kiox 400C
* Battery: Bosch Powertube 800Wh
* Assist Switch: Bosch Wireless Mini Remote
* Charger: Bosch 4A Charger
 

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2 wrote:
Yeti LTe23.3kg (Give or take)170/160mm TravelBosch 800wh battery.Prices above in NZD.Yeti LTe T3 Specs:Bike SpecificationsTravel* 160mm (6.3”)Weight* 51.43 lbs / 23.3 kgSuspension* Fork: FOX Factory 38...
Screenshot 2025-09-16 131929Screenshot 2025-09-16 131933Screenshot 2025-09-16 131937.png?VersionId=LNkbRScreenshot 2025-09-16 131958

Yeti LTe

23.3kg (Give or take)

170/160mm Travel

Bosch 800wh battery.

Screenshot 2025-09-16 132019
Prices above in NZD.

Yeti LTe T3 Specs:

Bike Specifications
Travel
* 160mm (6.3”)
Weight
* 51.43 lbs / 23.3 kg

Suspension
* Fork: FOX Factory 38 GRIP X2, 170mm
* Shock: FOX Factory Float X2

Wheels & Tires
* Wheelset: DT Swiss HXC1700, 30mm
* Front Tire: Schwalbe Magic Mary Trail Pro 2.5, Radial Ultra Soft
* Rear Tire: Schwalbe Albert Gravity Pro 2.5, Radial Soft
* Front Rotor: SRAM HS2, 200mm
* Rear Rotor: SRAM HS2, 200mm

Drivetrain
* Crank: SRAM X0, 160mm
* Derailleur: SRAM X0 Eagle AXS Transmission
* Cassette: SRAM X0 Eagle Transmission, 10–52T
* Chain: SRAM X0 Eagle Transmission Flattop
* Shifter: SRAM AXS Pod Controller

Brakes
* SRAM Maven Silver

Cockpit
* Grips: ODI Elite Pro
* Bar: Yeti Carbon Bar, 35 x 800mm
* Stem: Burgtec Enduro MK3, 35 x 50mm
* Headset: Cane Creek 40

Seatpost & Saddle
* Dropper Post: SRAM Reverb AXS, 31.6mm
* SM: 150mm | MD: 175mm | LG/XL: 200mm
* Saddle: WTB Solano Chromoly

Electronics
* Drive Unit: Bosch Performance Line CX BDU38
* Display: Bosch Kiox 400C
* Battery: Bosch Powertube 800Wh
* Assist Switch: Bosch Wireless Mini Remote
* Charger: Bosch 4A Charger
 

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9/15/2025 6:44pm

Looking forward to the 22000 dollar lunch ride spec.

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lloyd506
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9/15/2025 7:01pm

I hope that pricing is a joke, 24,900. Wtf?

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9/15/2025 7:17pm
lloyd506 wrote:

I hope that pricing is a joke, 24,900. Wtf?

$25,000nzd - So many other top Ebikes for half that.

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Dogboy
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9/15/2025 7:45pm
2 wrote:
Yeti LTe23.3kg (Give or take)170/160mm TravelBosch 800wh battery.Prices above in NZD.Yeti LTe T3 Specs:Bike SpecificationsTravel* 160mm (6.3”)Weight* 51.43 lbs / 23.3 kgSuspension* Fork: FOX Factory 38...
Screenshot 2025-09-16 131929Screenshot 2025-09-16 131933Screenshot 2025-09-16 131937.png?VersionId=LNkbRScreenshot 2025-09-16 131958

Yeti LTe

23.3kg (Give or take)

170/160mm Travel

Bosch 800wh battery.

Screenshot 2025-09-16 132019
Prices above in NZD.

Yeti LTe T3 Specs:

Bike Specifications
Travel
* 160mm (6.3”)
Weight
* 51.43 lbs / 23.3 kg

Suspension
* Fork: FOX Factory 38 GRIP X2, 170mm
* Shock: FOX Factory Float X2

Wheels & Tires
* Wheelset: DT Swiss HXC1700, 30mm
* Front Tire: Schwalbe Magic Mary Trail Pro 2.5, Radial Ultra Soft
* Rear Tire: Schwalbe Albert Gravity Pro 2.5, Radial Soft
* Front Rotor: SRAM HS2, 200mm
* Rear Rotor: SRAM HS2, 200mm

Drivetrain
* Crank: SRAM X0, 160mm
* Derailleur: SRAM X0 Eagle AXS Transmission
* Cassette: SRAM X0 Eagle Transmission, 10–52T
* Chain: SRAM X0 Eagle Transmission Flattop
* Shifter: SRAM AXS Pod Controller

Brakes
* SRAM Maven Silver

Cockpit
* Grips: ODI Elite Pro
* Bar: Yeti Carbon Bar, 35 x 800mm
* Stem: Burgtec Enduro MK3, 35 x 50mm
* Headset: Cane Creek 40

Seatpost & Saddle
* Dropper Post: SRAM Reverb AXS, 31.6mm
* SM: 150mm | MD: 175mm | LG/XL: 200mm
* Saddle: WTB Solano Chromoly

Electronics
* Drive Unit: Bosch Performance Line CX BDU38
* Display: Bosch Kiox 400C
* Battery: Bosch Powertube 800Wh
* Assist Switch: Bosch Wireless Mini Remote
* Charger: Bosch 4A Charger
 

Wrong thread.

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Karabuka
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9/15/2025 11:00pm

I wanted to quote the guy who said new very expensive yeti ebike is coming out to not even bother if its under 20k... Thank you yeti 😅😅

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Evil96
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9/16/2025 12:36am

$25,000nzd - So many other top Ebikes for half that.

what are you on about, 12k NZD for a top ebike? Flop you mean

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The Serious
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9/16/2025 1:44am

$25,000nzd - So many other top Ebikes for half that.

Evil96 wrote:

what are you on about, 12k NZD for a top ebike? Flop you mean

well theres currently some top carbon models at 13-14k.
others for 15k...... 
amflow for 16k... 

no need to spend 25k... at all.

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