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9/13/2025 6:44pm

Lol there is an “electronically assisted strider” in under that persons name on the patent site. 
 

Looks like he also did a lot of work for Rocky Mountain. 

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9/13/2025 7:21pm

Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

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9/13/2025 8:05pm

Local shop told me that a replacement for the Yeti SB160E is launching next week (presumably Tuesday, the unofficial launch day of new things). It might use the MT-something name. Should be 160 or 170 travel. Full power Bosch motor. Very expensive, as expected. Dentists rejoice!

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9/14/2025 2:30am
Trocko wrote:
Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

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Probably the Sidekick-like hub internals

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9/14/2025 2:41am
segamethod wrote:
The "only shifts at the ramps" thing is a myth that SRAM isn't going out of their way to correct. There is no sensing of position...

The "only shifts at the ramps" thing is a myth that SRAM isn't going out of their way to correct. There is no sensing of position, torque, or anything else going on -- so it's simply not a real thing. It was just rate limited to make sure us hoons didn't blow up chains too quickly. The existence of Transmission mechanical groupsets is evidence enought that you can bang shifts as fast as you want and things are hunky dorry.

comatosegi wrote:
I talked to a SRAM PM about that.  T-Type knows how many shift ramps there are per a gear, so it changes shift timing delay based...

I talked to a SRAM PM about that.  T-Type knows how many shift ramps there are per a gear, so it changes shift timing delay based on gear.

segamethod wrote:
Interesting, but it doesn't know your cadence, so this is an approximation at best. I'm sure most riders are operating in a predictable cadence range, so...

Interesting, but it doesn't know your cadence, so this is an approximation at best. I'm sure most riders are operating in a predictable cadence range, so it's likely better than nothing. Nevertheless, the root of this discussion is the news that they removed/increased said shift speed limitation.

You‘ll find this information even from SRAM directly. The system is simply guessing when to shift based on an algorithm. That’s why sometimes you get some „loud“ shifts under load.

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9/14/2025 2:49am
lloyd506 wrote:
Are ebike motors getting smaller? If not would it make sense to have a universal mount standard? Give options for motor swaps. just a thought, might be a...

Are ebike motors getting smaller? 
If not would it make sense to have a universal mount standard? Give options for motor swaps. 
just a thought, might be a dumb one. 

Stiffness of the shell the motor sits in is more important than you‘d think apparently. I am not a specialist but it makes sense to me since we have different power and torque numbers as well as the freedom for motor manufacturers to operate with different layouts. Belt driven inside the motor, motor around the spindle, mgu etc.

I would love to have a UDH thing for motors but peeking over to other power vehicle industries I think it is very unlikely for various, valid reasons.

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9/14/2025 2:59am
Trocko wrote:
Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

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It’s going to be in the hubs, similar to the ones from e13. 

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9/14/2025 4:52am
comatosegi wrote:
I talked to a SRAM PM about that.  T-Type knows how many shift ramps there are per a gear, so it changes shift timing delay based...

I talked to a SRAM PM about that.  T-Type knows how many shift ramps there are per a gear, so it changes shift timing delay based on gear.

segamethod wrote:
Interesting, but it doesn't know your cadence, so this is an approximation at best. I'm sure most riders are operating in a predictable cadence range, so...

Interesting, but it doesn't know your cadence, so this is an approximation at best. I'm sure most riders are operating in a predictable cadence range, so it's likely better than nothing. Nevertheless, the root of this discussion is the news that they removed/increased said shift speed limitation.

DorianKane wrote:
You‘ll find this information even from SRAM directly. The system is simply guessing when to shift based on an algorithm. That’s why sometimes you get some...

You‘ll find this information even from SRAM directly. The system is simply guessing when to shift based on an algorithm. That’s why sometimes you get some „loud“ shifts under load.

I'm prefacing this with a disclaimer that I've not used transmission; but does the mech not put a slight side load on the chain, and when it detects a change in side pressure due to a shift ramp coming around the cassette it then completes the shift?

This would allow it to "sense" where the shift ramps without a specific position sensor, or a cadence requirement.

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9/14/2025 5:37am
segamethod wrote:
Interesting, but it doesn't know your cadence, so this is an approximation at best. I'm sure most riders are operating in a predictable cadence range, so...

Interesting, but it doesn't know your cadence, so this is an approximation at best. I'm sure most riders are operating in a predictable cadence range, so it's likely better than nothing. Nevertheless, the root of this discussion is the news that they removed/increased said shift speed limitation.

DorianKane wrote:
You‘ll find this information even from SRAM directly. The system is simply guessing when to shift based on an algorithm. That’s why sometimes you get some...

You‘ll find this information even from SRAM directly. The system is simply guessing when to shift based on an algorithm. That’s why sometimes you get some „loud“ shifts under load.

Konda wrote:
I'm prefacing this with a disclaimer that I've not used transmission; but does the mech not put a slight side load on the chain, and when...

I'm prefacing this with a disclaimer that I've not used transmission; but does the mech not put a slight side load on the chain, and when it detects a change in side pressure due to a shift ramp coming around the cassette it then completes the shift?

This would allow it to "sense" where the shift ramps without a specific position sensor, or a cadence requirement.

No, it does not. 

There are no 'sensors' measuring any sort of side loads from the chain or anything else.

This is how these daft rumours about transmission come to be. You've just made a statement that isn't based on any facts at all. Did you just make up a guess at what you think it 'might' be doing or is that something you read elsewhere?

Information on exactly how AXS Transmission works is freely available online from SRAM themselves. 

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9/14/2025 6:35am
TimBud wrote:

What’s Berrecloth on… 😬

MTBrent wrote:
AI is good for some things I guess! From the AI-generated summary that sourced the Ursa Bikes patent app:https://patents.google.com/patent/CA3155940A1/en

AI is good for some things I guess! From the AI-generated summary that sourced the Ursa Bikes patent app:

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https://patents.google.com/patent/CA3155940A1/en

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9/14/2025 6:45am

Saw the new Demo being ridden at Sun Peaks yesterdayIMG 5315 0

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9/14/2025 6:52am
Trocko wrote:
Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

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shreda wrote:

Probably the Sidekick-like hub internals

My understanding is that it has that feature where you can slightly move the pedals backwards and it completely disengages the hub so it rolls freely and has no kickback at all.

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9/14/2025 7:02am
ahleic09 wrote:
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2/3 of the general idea of a Vampire?

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9/14/2025 7:11am Edited Date/Time 9/14/2025 9:50am
TimBud wrote:

What’s Berrecloth on… 😬

MTBrent wrote:
AI is good for some things I guess! From the AI-generated summary that sourced the Ursa Bikes patent app:https://patents.google.com/patent/CA3155940A1/en

AI is good for some things I guess! From the AI-generated summary that sourced the Ursa Bikes patent app:

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https://patents.google.com/patent/CA3155940A1/en

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Looks like the Lapierre, or as mentioned above, 2/3 of the vampire setup. Be interested to see what unique claims they are making that is different to that prior art. 

Edit, looks like the patent is from 2022, so well before the Lapierre was released. 

9/14/2025 7:58am
DorianKane wrote:
Stiffness of the shell the motor sits in is more important than you‘d think apparently. I am not a specialist but it makes sense to me...

Stiffness of the shell the motor sits in is more important than you‘d think apparently. I am not a specialist but it makes sense to me since we have different power and torque numbers as well as the freedom for motor manufacturers to operate with different layouts. Belt driven inside the motor, motor around the spindle, mgu etc.

I would love to have a UDH thing for motors but peeking over to other power vehicle industries I think it is very unlikely for various, valid reasons.

One difference between the bike industry vs other power vehicle industries is our size.. We aren't nearly as big. Those larger companies can afford to have their own ecosystems.. For us, if a couple of companies decided on a ebike motor mounting standard,  it wouldn't take long for the rest of the industry to follow..

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9/14/2025 9:03am
Saw the new Demo being ridden at Sun Peaks yesterday

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who was riding it? Boxxer fork and Ohlins shock. Looking very production with downtube protection

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9/14/2025 9:49am
Saw the new Demo being ridden at Sun Peaks yesterday

Saw the new Demo being ridden at Sun Peaks yesterdayIMG 5315 0

That's either the best marketplace/eBay find of all time, or a Specialized engineer on their day off 😂

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9/14/2025 9:49am

who was riding it? Boxxer fork and Ohlins shock. Looking very production with downtube protection

I was told the bike is in production right now and will have a spring release.

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9/14/2025 9:55am
Saw the new Demo being ridden at Sun Peaks yesterday

Saw the new Demo being ridden at Sun Peaks yesterdayIMG 5315 0

Great spot. I've only seen photos of the carbon one under pro racers during WC races. This is the first out in the wild photo I've seen of the carbon production version.

Did you get any other photos? I'm wondering about the rear mech. It looks like there is a shifter with cable coming out it beside the right hand brake lever.

But the cranks are Transmission gen XO..

The rear mech looks kinda chunky... looks a bit like the chunky clutch shape on the Transmission mechs. 

We've all seen a DH version of wireless axs Transmission is coming out soon but wondering if there will be a mechanical DH transmission too.

Dont suppose you got a pic that shows the rear mech?

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9/14/2025 11:35am
Great spot. I've only seen photos of the carbon one under pro racers during WC races. This is the first out in the wild photo I've...

Great spot. I've only seen photos of the carbon one under pro racers during WC races. This is the first out in the wild photo I've seen of the carbon production version.

Did you get any other photos? I'm wondering about the rear mech. It looks like there is a shifter with cable coming out it beside the right hand brake lever.

But the cranks are Transmission gen XO..

The rear mech looks kinda chunky... looks a bit like the chunky clutch shape on the Transmission mechs. 

We've all seen a DH version of wireless axs Transmission is coming out soon but wondering if there will be a mechanical DH transmission too.

Dont suppose you got a pic that shows the rear mech?

I would guess the crank is an ebike crank.. And with more of the T-type DH setups floating around the pits, I'd be will to bet the new Demo and DH group, or groups, get released it a fairly close time frame..

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9/14/2025 11:37am
Why do companies not make coil forks with progressive coil springs like how CC/DVO/MRP have done for their rear shocks? It feels wonderful for those who...

Why do companies not make coil forks with progressive coil springs like how CC/DVO/MRP have done for their rear shocks? It feels wonderful for those who are about that. At least as far as rear shocks go. But I have yet to buy a coil fork because I love a lot of progression and I worry Id get one and there would definitely be very little support. 

Race only springs makes some stuff for forks, I dunno how expensive or custom it is though. 

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Why do companies not make coil forks with progressive coil springs like how CC/DVO/MRP have done for their rear shocks? It feels wonderful for those who...

Why do companies not make coil forks with progressive coil springs like how CC/DVO/MRP have done for their rear shocks? It feels wonderful for those who are about that. At least as far as rear shocks go. But I have yet to buy a coil fork because I love a lot of progression and I worry Id get one and there would definitely be very little support. 

ebikeluver wrote:

Race only springs makes some stuff for forks, I dunno how expensive or custom it is though. 

Vorsprung Smashpot V2 coil conversion is dual rate progressive springs for 180/190/200 travel. 

https://vorsprungsuspension.com/collections/mountain-bike-suspension-sm…

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9/14/2025 3:28pm
Trocko wrote:
Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

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shreda wrote:

Probably the Sidekick-like hub internals

Suns_PSD wrote:
My understanding is that it has that feature where you can slightly move the pedals backwards and it completely disengages the hub so it rolls freely...

My understanding is that it has that feature where you can slightly move the pedals backwards and it completely disengages the hub so it rolls freely and has no kickback at all.

This I am not sure of, just know it has three positions which you can choose from

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9/14/2025 4:32pm

In addition to the DT Swiss hub rumours, I heard that E13 is releasing V2 of the sidekick hub sometime soon (October-ish). Will be lighter, more refined, and cheaper, from what I hear. 

Another rumour is that Santa Cruz will release a new Megatower and Nomad in spring 2026. No info on what changes are being made, but assuming similar to Bronson/Hightower. 

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9/14/2025 8:10pm

New Transition soon? Spotted in the Woolley Fest highlight video. 

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9/15/2025 1:50am

Perhaps a rampage release under Hannah and Jackson?

9/15/2025 3:05am
Trocko wrote:
Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

Something new coming from DT Swiss the 18th

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shreda wrote:

Probably the Sidekick-like hub internals

Suns_PSD wrote:
My understanding is that it has that feature where you can slightly move the pedals backwards and it completely disengages the hub so it rolls freely...

My understanding is that it has that feature where you can slightly move the pedals backwards and it completely disengages the hub so it rolls freely and has no kickback at all.

That's the WRP zero friction internals for DT hubs you are thinking of

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9/15/2025 10:18am
JordonMTB wrote:
New Transition soon? Spotted in the Woolley Fest highlight video.  

New Transition soon? Spotted in the Woolley Fest highlight video. 

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I have unofficial confirmation from a local shop that it's the new Bottle Rocket. 

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9/15/2025 10:20am Edited Date/Time 9/15/2025 10:20am
JordonMTB wrote:
New Transition soon? Spotted in the Woolley Fest highlight video.  

New Transition soon? Spotted in the Woolley Fest highlight video. 

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Been seen 100 times now. Even there not full sponsor riders have them.   They are they new bottle rocket 180 frame full 27.5

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