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7/4/2025 2:04pm
Goupil wrote:
Enduro pits randoms from the neighbour website has more Zeb pics, is that a mudguard mount that's not using tiny M3 screws ? Would be nice 

Enduro pits randoms from the neighbour website has more Zeb pics, is that a mudguard mount that's not using tiny M3 screws ? Would be nice

 
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I feel like there has to be something more going on with that bridge than just a new mudguard mount. 

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re: new zeb. I would guess there's nothing fancy going on in the bridge. Simply covers for the webbing when you're not using a fender, and...
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re: new zeb. I would guess there's nothing fancy going on in the bridge. Simply covers for the webbing when you're not using a fender, and a sleeker look when you are.

Thankfully moving to the Boxxer 24 style fender mounting, 3 bolts on almost the same plane made for a very floppy experience.

Nubbins on the crown and a plug in the steerer...

The plug in the steerer is a Rimpact mass damper, the nubbins on the crown are odd, no idea what that is. 

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7/4/2025 5:48pm
re: new zeb. I would guess there's nothing fancy going on in the bridge. Simply covers for the webbing when you're not using a fender, and...
p0pb28401031.jpg?VersionId=sCADvKZf6y7HjdRKxRw7BVEFX

re: new zeb. I would guess there's nothing fancy going on in the bridge. Simply covers for the webbing when you're not using a fender, and a sleeker look when you are.

Thankfully moving to the Boxxer 24 style fender mounting, 3 bolts on almost the same plane made for a very floppy experience.

Nubbins on the crown and a plug in the steerer...

Finkill wrote:

The plug in the steerer is a Rimpact mass damper, the nubbins on the crown are odd, no idea what that is. 

Sure look like pressure release valves.

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Shinook
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Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/

Not much info on availability for the public. I've reached out, these may save riding for me, so I'm pretty anxious to get more info on when they'll be available. They look really promising for people with wrist/hand/elbow problems.

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ente wrote:
finally a shimano clip pedal that might actually contact a shoe.(some shoes do as they flex or deep cleat pocket's)or support oneup who make the best...

finally a shimano clip pedal that might actually contact a shoe.(some shoes do as they flex or deep cleat pocket's)
or support oneup who make the best SPD pedal so far that you can actually rebuild.

For some reason they still have the pins/platforms on two different levels though, something which I already hate with the Saint pedal as well.

I am currently using the oneup pedals, super happy with them - Want to put them on a new build but they are out of stock eternally.

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Shinook wrote:
Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/Not much info on availability for the public. I've...

Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/

Not much info on availability for the public. I've reached out, these may save riding for me, so I'm pretty anxious to get more info on when they'll be available. They look really promising for people with wrist/hand/elbow problems.

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swoopswoop
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7/5/2025 1:34am
Shinook wrote:
Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/Not much info on availability for the public. I've...

Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/

Not much info on availability for the public. I've reached out, these may save riding for me, so I'm pretty anxious to get more info on when they'll be available. They look really promising for people with wrist/hand/elbow problems.

Is there a plain image of the bars anywhere? I tried finding it on their website but on mobile that thing is a nightmare.

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7/5/2025 3:08am
ente wrote:
finally a shimano clip pedal that might actually contact a shoe.(some shoes do as they flex or deep cleat pocket's)or support oneup who make the best...

finally a shimano clip pedal that might actually contact a shoe.(some shoes do as they flex or deep cleat pocket's)
or support oneup who make the best SPD pedal so far that you can actually rebuild.

Etney wrote:
For some reason they still have the pins/platforms on two different levels though, something which I already hate with the Saint pedal as well.I am currently...

For some reason they still have the pins/platforms on two different levels though, something which I already hate with the Saint pedal as well.

I am currently using the oneup pedals, super happy with them - Want to put them on a new build but they are out of stock eternally.

0323b6c6f4e13512b1e2807ef39ebc4e.png?VersionId=EEVUmOFXAKBMPjTYfRq0DA1T

front pins are lowerd to assist in 'toe down' entry which is something that has plagued the SPD pedal since it was invented.
the oneup's are also similar in that regard but Oneup changed the SPD mechanism to fix the initial movement float that has also plagued the SPD standard, combined with some actual shoe to platform They made SPD's great again.

It seems shimano in their arrogance have not updated their SPD but gone the way of using platform/pins to lock the platform to shoe.

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7/5/2025 6:18am Edited Date/Time 7/5/2025 6:20am
front pins are lowerd to assist in 'toe down' entry which is something that has plagued the SPD pedal since it was invented.the oneup's are also...

front pins are lowerd to assist in 'toe down' entry which is something that has plagued the SPD pedal since it was invented.
the oneup's are also similar in that regard but Oneup changed the SPD mechanism to fix the initial movement float that has also plagued the SPD standard, combined with some actual shoe to platform They made SPD's great again.

It seems shimano in their arrogance have not updated their SPD but gone the way of using platform/pins to lock the platform to shoe.

At least the Shimano mechanism is consistent and reliable.

I’ve generally had good luck with most OneUp products, but even after trying the fix kit they sent for these brand-new pedals, the unclipping mechanism still feels inconsistent.

I also doubt the pedals are truly “out of stock.” My guess is they pulled them from shelves because of the known issues and are working on another update. They never should have released the pedals in their current state.

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Any Information about the new Pivot high pivot bike with DJI? Should come this Winter…

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I would love to hear the feedback they got that lead to the Maven.. I haven't ridden them much, but they sound like the Saints I...

I would love to hear the feedback they got that lead to the Maven.. I haven't ridden them much, but they sound like the Saints I rode that the bite was right away.. Granted, that bite point had a tendency to change during the run... Tryin  to drag that brake took a really light touch. For me, my older TRP Quadiums are pretty much perfect.. I can feel the contact point and if I need more power, I squeeze a bit harder..I never need more than one finger on the lever. I did put in a set of Sram 2mm rotors so they hit a bit sooner.. Only downside is a bit of pad rub with fresh pads, but it goes away pretty quick..

I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes...

I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes you think “well what’s the far extreme of braking power look like? What does it look like if we make the most powerful brake on the market by a wide margin?” To some the power is unusable, but to others it’s exactly what they have been chasing after. Either way they kick the reputation they earned of having underpowered brakes.

They're still not the most powerful brakes on the market though... They're also heavy af, have a heavy lever pull and are ugly. It's all just marketing from SRAM as per

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7/5/2025 8:05am
ente wrote:
crgcrmny wrote:
New cleats with ramps on both sides too?

New cleats with ramps on both sides too?

IMG 2690

But somehow different compared to the current SH-56 cleat?

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7/5/2025 9:00am

Shimano MT001 MTB SPD Cleats Multi-Entry

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7/5/2025 9:15am
I would love to hear the feedback they got that lead to the Maven.. I haven't ridden them much, but they sound like the Saints I...

I would love to hear the feedback they got that lead to the Maven.. I haven't ridden them much, but they sound like the Saints I rode that the bite was right away.. Granted, that bite point had a tendency to change during the run... Tryin  to drag that brake took a really light touch. For me, my older TRP Quadiums are pretty much perfect.. I can feel the contact point and if I need more power, I squeeze a bit harder..I never need more than one finger on the lever. I did put in a set of Sram 2mm rotors so they hit a bit sooner.. Only downside is a bit of pad rub with fresh pads, but it goes away pretty quick..

I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes...

I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes you think “well what’s the far extreme of braking power look like? What does it look like if we make the most powerful brake on the market by a wide margin?” To some the power is unusable, but to others it’s exactly what they have been chasing after. Either way they kick the reputation they earned of having underpowered brakes.

Jacker123 wrote:
They're still not the most powerful brakes on the market though... They're also heavy af, have a heavy lever pull and are ugly. It's all just...

They're still not the most powerful brakes on the market though... They're also heavy af, have a heavy lever pull and are ugly. It's all just marketing from SRAM as per

Not the most powerful based on what? The Enduro-MTB lab test was badly done.


I have yet to see any good lab data disproving the butt-dyno.

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Primoz wrote:
It's very modified with a much higher main pivot and they are probably testing (trying out) a lower antirise value for whatever reason. There are for sure...

It's very modified with a much higher main pivot and they are probably testing (trying out) a lower antirise value for whatever reason. 

There are for sure reasons to try it out on a Horst link when you are developing the bike. 

@Primoz @CascadeComponents They've been playing around with a floating brake since Danny was on their frames. Thats what, 4 years now? After prototyping to find the AS levels they want, they can't just alter the rocker on the frame to get it natively?

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ZAKBROWN!
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7/5/2025 10:31am
Shinook wrote:
Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/Not much info on availability for the public. I've...

Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/

Not much info on availability for the public. I've reached out, these may save riding for me, so I'm pretty anxious to get more info on when they'll be available. They look really promising for people with wrist/hand/elbow problems.

Primoz wrote:

I'm here for comfy handlebars but that seems excessive!  😯

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7/5/2025 10:34am
Primoz wrote:
It's very modified with a much higher main pivot and they are probably testing (trying out) a lower antirise value for whatever reason. There are for sure...

It's very modified with a much higher main pivot and they are probably testing (trying out) a lower antirise value for whatever reason. 

There are for sure reasons to try it out on a Horst link when you are developing the bike. 

@Primoz @CascadeComponents They've been playing around with a floating brake since Danny was on their frames. Thats what, 4 years now? After prototyping to find the...

@Primoz @CascadeComponents They've been playing around with a floating brake since Danny was on their frames. Thats what, 4 years now? After prototyping to find the AS levels they want, they can't just alter the rocker on the frame to get it natively?

I'm guessing that using a floating brake arm allows them to change the braking performance without affecting the rest of the kinematics so much.. Tweaking the rocker may result in compromising elsewhere..

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7/5/2025 10:51am
I'm guessing that using a floating brake arm allows them to change the braking performance without affecting the rest of the kinematics so much.. Tweaking the...

I'm guessing that using a floating brake arm allows them to change the braking performance without affecting the rest of the kinematics so much.. Tweaking the rocker may result in compromising elsewhere..

Yes. Another thing is the range is pretty limited when it comes to modifying anti-rise with just the link. Especially on Horst link bikes. 

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7/5/2025 11:31am
I would love to hear the feedback they got that lead to the Maven.. I haven't ridden them much, but they sound like the Saints I...

I would love to hear the feedback they got that lead to the Maven.. I haven't ridden them much, but they sound like the Saints I rode that the bite was right away.. Granted, that bite point had a tendency to change during the run... Tryin  to drag that brake took a really light touch. For me, my older TRP Quadiums are pretty much perfect.. I can feel the contact point and if I need more power, I squeeze a bit harder..I never need more than one finger on the lever. I did put in a set of Sram 2mm rotors so they hit a bit sooner.. Only downside is a bit of pad rub with fresh pads, but it goes away pretty quick..

I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes...

I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes you think “well what’s the far extreme of braking power look like? What does it look like if we make the most powerful brake on the market by a wide margin?” To some the power is unusable, but to others it’s exactly what they have been chasing after. Either way they kick the reputation they earned of having underpowered brakes.

Jacker123 wrote:
They're still not the most powerful brakes on the market though... They're also heavy af, have a heavy lever pull and are ugly. It's all just...

They're still not the most powerful brakes on the market though... They're also heavy af, have a heavy lever pull and are ugly. It's all just marketing from SRAM as per

the overwhelming majority of reviewers and riders said “these are too powerful,” and I’m not hearing that about any other brake. What brakes have gotten the same reception?

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7/5/2025 12:24pm Edited Date/Time 7/5/2025 12:29pm
Shinook wrote:
Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/Not much info on availability for the public. I've...

Level of Future has released a website that goes into more info on their Flexstab bars: https://leveloffuture.com/

Not much info on availability for the public. I've reached out, these may save riding for me, so I'm pretty anxious to get more info on when they'll be available. They look really promising for people with wrist/hand/elbow problems.

Primoz wrote:
ZAKBROWN! wrote:

I'm here for comfy handlebars but that seems excessive!  😯

Sometimes you have to go too far to see how far you can actually go.

But for what it's worth, it wasn't bad, you could get used to it easily.

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I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes...

I think the feedback is that a large percentage of riders were looking for the most powerful brakes/brake combo they could find. If you’re developing brakes you think “well what’s the far extreme of braking power look like? What does it look like if we make the most powerful brake on the market by a wide margin?” To some the power is unusable, but to others it’s exactly what they have been chasing after. Either way they kick the reputation they earned of having underpowered brakes.

Jacker123 wrote:
They're still not the most powerful brakes on the market though... They're also heavy af, have a heavy lever pull and are ugly. It's all just...

They're still not the most powerful brakes on the market though... They're also heavy af, have a heavy lever pull and are ugly. It's all just marketing from SRAM as per

Nobble wrote:

Not the most powerful based on what? The Enduro-MTB lab test was badly done.


I have yet to see any good lab data disproving the butt-dyno.

Hopefully soon enough the red site should have something

They promised in multiple comments a well executed feel and data based group test..

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7/5/2025 12:42pm
I'm guessing that using a floating brake arm allows them to change the braking performance without affecting the rest of the kinematics so much.. Tweaking the...

I'm guessing that using a floating brake arm allows them to change the braking performance without affecting the rest of the kinematics so much.. Tweaking the rocker may result in compromising elsewhere..

Yes. Another thing is the range is pretty limited when it comes to modifying anti-rise with just the link. Especially on Horst link bikes. 

Yup, plus athletes might also prefer something different to the average buyer, so i wouldnt change the production design because of one riders preference. A floating brake means each person can have it finely tuned how they like 

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Kango
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7/5/2025 4:19pm
re: new zeb. I would guess there's nothing fancy going on in the bridge. Simply covers for the webbing when you're not using a fender, and...
p0pb28401031.jpg?VersionId=sCADvKZf6y7HjdRKxRw7BVEFX

re: new zeb. I would guess there's nothing fancy going on in the bridge. Simply covers for the webbing when you're not using a fender, and a sleeker look when you are.

Thankfully moving to the Boxxer 24 style fender mounting, 3 bolts on almost the same plane made for a very floppy experience.

Nubbins on the crown and a plug in the steerer...

Finkill wrote:

The plug in the steerer is a Rimpact mass damper, the nubbins on the crown are odd, no idea what that is. 

chriskief wrote:

Sure look like pressure release valves.

High def photo shows they are just hex head screws to keep the bridge cover on.

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7/5/2025 5:07pm
Kango wrote:

High def photo shows they are just hex head screws to keep the bridge cover on.

This thing:

image 387
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chriskief
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7/5/2025 5:40pm
Kango wrote:

High def photo shows they are just hex head screws to keep the bridge cover on.

dolface wrote:
This thing:

This thing:

image 387

Yep. Pressure release valves are nowhere to be found on the lowers.

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Kango wrote:

High def photo shows they are just hex head screws to keep the bridge cover on.

dolface wrote:
This thing:

This thing:

image 387
chriskief wrote:

Yep. Pressure release valves are nowhere to be found on the lowers.

Are they the Manitou-style ones (you need a hex key to open them) to get around the Fox lawsuit/patent?

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Kango wrote:

High def photo shows they are just hex head screws to keep the bridge cover on.

dolface wrote:
This thing:

This thing:

image 387

Oh oops my bad haha.

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chriskief
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dolface wrote:
This thing:

This thing:

image 387

Sure look like the little pressure release buttons on the top of the Fox Podium.

IMG 1608
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TimBud
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7/5/2025 9:22pm
Kango wrote:

High def photo shows they are just hex head screws to keep the bridge cover on.

dolface wrote:
This thing:

This thing:

image 387

Wouldn’t that be in the wrong place for an RSU fork… why would you want to release pressure from the main air chamber?

Or am I missing something

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