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acambo
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6/9/2025 4:43am
sethimus wrote:

Reckon it's a Williams Racing Products ratchet

Mic commented on that post and claimed he has nothing to do with whatever is going on in that dt hub. Something dt is likely working...

Mic commented on that post and claimed he has nothing to do with whatever is going on in that dt hub. Something dt is likely working on

Spoke with the mechanic for a certain yt mob member at Cannonball about the WRP freehub kit and they said that DT had something similar in the works for them later in the year.

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6/9/2025 8:08am Edited Date/Time 6/9/2025 8:11am
Was going to mention the DT internals from Mic. He stated that multiple riders are running them, but didn’t point towards who. As for the steer tube...

Was going to mention the DT internals from Mic. He stated that multiple riders are running them, but didn’t point towards who. 

As for the steer tube shake weights, I think you need to just start causally sliding your finger into some tubes….definitely keep a tally for reactions to that one please.  

I dunno man, talk of anyone surreptitiously sliding body parts into anything at a World Cup can lead to huge amounts of online speculation.

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6/9/2025 10:55am
Splayleg wrote:
I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read...

I’m up in the ochain gang too. OO and some of the other mob were on ochain but are not this year. Pretty sure I read on here about a dt Swiss sidekick style hub so maybe he’s on that. Can anyone confirm the dt system or was I just tripping?

krabo83 wrote:
must have been me who spilled the beans. yes, DT is working on a sidekick style hub as i have been informed, but looking at how...

must have been me who spilled the beans. yes, DT is working on a sidekick style hub as i have been informed, but looking at how expensive that e13 sidekick hub is i think o-chain might be the better and service-friendlier option (no new wheel to lace up).

boozed wrote:

O-chain is certainly the trail-friendly choice with the option of external control over the float.

I've been watching the 'pedal-kickback space' and trying to determine which is the best route to go for me on my next bike, if at all.

 

Anyways, here is what E-13 says on the topic of crank based solutions vs. hub: There is a misconception that the effects of pedal kickback are something always perceptible to the rider. Pedal kickback and its knock-on effects dramatically degrade suspension performance even when riders don’t feel it happening. Sidekick is the first and only solution that isolates the drivetrain from suspension while freewheeling. This eliminates pedal kickback in nearly all riding situations, silences chain and freewheel clatter, and provides a whisper-quiet freehub ratchet. Other crank spider-based solutions attempt to eliminate pedal kickback but do not disconnect the drivetrain from the frame suspension. In fact, while helpful in damping pedal kickback forces, with this type of solution, kickback, and chain vibration must happen for the device to function.

 

Beyond that, I would say that the Sidekick hubs appear to be very reliable and also roll very freely, where-as the O'Chain seems to be pretty maintenance intensive. I plan to build a new set of wheels based around the SideKick hubs next time, but it'll be on an e-bike. I'll just stick with my good old Carbon Ti hubs for my trail bike.

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6/9/2025 11:04am Edited Date/Time 6/9/2025 11:05am
krabo83 wrote:
must have been me who spilled the beans. yes, DT is working on a sidekick style hub as i have been informed, but looking at how...

must have been me who spilled the beans. yes, DT is working on a sidekick style hub as i have been informed, but looking at how expensive that e13 sidekick hub is i think o-chain might be the better and service-friendlier option (no new wheel to lace up).

boozed wrote:

O-chain is certainly the trail-friendly choice with the option of external control over the float.

Suns_PSD wrote:
I've been watching the 'pedal-kickback space' and trying to determine which is the best route to go for me on my next bike, if at all. Anyways...

I've been watching the 'pedal-kickback space' and trying to determine which is the best route to go for me on my next bike, if at all.

 

Anyways, here is what E-13 says on the topic of crank based solutions vs. hub: There is a misconception that the effects of pedal kickback are something always perceptible to the rider. Pedal kickback and its knock-on effects dramatically degrade suspension performance even when riders don’t feel it happening. Sidekick is the first and only solution that isolates the drivetrain from suspension while freewheeling. This eliminates pedal kickback in nearly all riding situations, silences chain and freewheel clatter, and provides a whisper-quiet freehub ratchet. Other crank spider-based solutions attempt to eliminate pedal kickback but do not disconnect the drivetrain from the frame suspension. In fact, while helpful in damping pedal kickback forces, with this type of solution, kickback, and chain vibration must happen for the device to function.

 

Beyond that, I would say that the Sidekick hubs appear to be very reliable and also roll very freely, where-as the O'Chain seems to be pretty maintenance intensive. I plan to build a new set of wheels based around the SideKick hubs next time, but it'll be on an e-bike. I'll just stick with my good old Carbon Ti hubs for my trail bike.

"Sidekick is the first and only solution..."
Gunna point out that Tairin has been doing this for a few years prior to e13.  Except Tairin is perfectly silent as it pulls back ALL the pawls (or star ratchet) instead of using one to help reengage.

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6/9/2025 12:56pm
Suns_PSD wrote:
I've been watching the 'pedal-kickback space' and trying to determine which is the best route to go for me on my next bike, if at all. Anyways...

I've been watching the 'pedal-kickback space' and trying to determine which is the best route to go for me on my next bike, if at all.

 

Anyways, here is what E-13 says on the topic of crank based solutions vs. hub: There is a misconception that the effects of pedal kickback are something always perceptible to the rider. Pedal kickback and its knock-on effects dramatically degrade suspension performance even when riders don’t feel it happening. Sidekick is the first and only solution that isolates the drivetrain from suspension while freewheeling. This eliminates pedal kickback in nearly all riding situations, silences chain and freewheel clatter, and provides a whisper-quiet freehub ratchet. Other crank spider-based solutions attempt to eliminate pedal kickback but do not disconnect the drivetrain from the frame suspension. In fact, while helpful in damping pedal kickback forces, with this type of solution, kickback, and chain vibration must happen for the device to function.

 

Beyond that, I would say that the Sidekick hubs appear to be very reliable and also roll very freely, where-as the O'Chain seems to be pretty maintenance intensive. I plan to build a new set of wheels based around the SideKick hubs next time, but it'll be on an e-bike. I'll just stick with my good old Carbon Ti hubs for my trail bike.

I love the idea that bike performance/suspension can be "dramatically degraded", but the rider can't feel it happening. What? 

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6/9/2025 1:22pm
krabo83 wrote:
must have been me who spilled the beans. yes, DT is working on a sidekick style hub as i have been informed, but looking at how...

must have been me who spilled the beans. yes, DT is working on a sidekick style hub as i have been informed, but looking at how expensive that e13 sidekick hub is i think o-chain might be the better and service-friendlier option (no new wheel to lace up).

boozed wrote:

O-chain is certainly the trail-friendly choice with the option of external control over the float.

Suns_PSD wrote:
I've been watching the 'pedal-kickback space' and trying to determine which is the best route to go for me on my next bike, if at all. Anyways...

I've been watching the 'pedal-kickback space' and trying to determine which is the best route to go for me on my next bike, if at all.

 

Anyways, here is what E-13 says on the topic of crank based solutions vs. hub: There is a misconception that the effects of pedal kickback are something always perceptible to the rider. Pedal kickback and its knock-on effects dramatically degrade suspension performance even when riders don’t feel it happening. Sidekick is the first and only solution that isolates the drivetrain from suspension while freewheeling. This eliminates pedal kickback in nearly all riding situations, silences chain and freewheel clatter, and provides a whisper-quiet freehub ratchet. Other crank spider-based solutions attempt to eliminate pedal kickback but do not disconnect the drivetrain from the frame suspension. In fact, while helpful in damping pedal kickback forces, with this type of solution, kickback, and chain vibration must happen for the device to function.

 

Beyond that, I would say that the Sidekick hubs appear to be very reliable and also roll very freely, where-as the O'Chain seems to be pretty maintenance intensive. I plan to build a new set of wheels based around the SideKick hubs next time, but it'll be on an e-bike. I'll just stick with my good old Carbon Ti hubs for my trail bike.

O-chain is not maintenance intensive in my experience. I'm on a used one for the past 2 park seasons and have had no reason to open it up yet. If the DT option performs like the Sidekick then I could see myself running that and selling the O-Chain to fund putting the DT Sidekick on all my bikes.

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6/9/2025 2:12pm
tsewhsoj wrote:
Heard about an updated transition spur recently, similar design language as the new sentinel, still has a flex stay and seems to be 120/120. No word...

Heard about an updated transition spur recently, similar design language as the new sentinel, still has a flex stay and seems to be 120/120. No word on release date.

Definitely interested...

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6/9/2025 2:16pm

Jesse hinting at something in development from RS and/or Canyon?

"There’s a lot of work that happens behind the scenes and while we all love the work, it’s always nice to reward it. Maybe one day you’ll see what I’m talking about 👀"

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6/9/2025 2:47pm
dolface wrote:
Jesse hinting at something in development from RS and/or Canyon?"There’s a lot of work that happens behind the scenes and while we all love the work...

Jesse hinting at something in development from RS and/or Canyon?

"There’s a lot of work that happens behind the scenes and while we all love the work, it’s always nice to reward it. Maybe one day you’ll see what I’m talking about 👀"

Maybe. Could also just be talking about the amount of time and effort that riders/mechanics/companies put into training, tuning, & testing. 

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IMG 4010
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storm.racing
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6/9/2025 5:28pm
jsray wrote:
IMG 4010

Been waiting years for more info on that fork (shock too)
Cool to see something!

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Suns_PSD
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6/9/2025 6:25pm Edited Date/Time 6/9/2025 6:26pm
Suns_PSD wrote:
I've been watching the 'pedal-kickback space' and trying to determine which is the best route to go for me on my next bike, if at all. Anyways...

I've been watching the 'pedal-kickback space' and trying to determine which is the best route to go for me on my next bike, if at all.

 

Anyways, here is what E-13 says on the topic of crank based solutions vs. hub: There is a misconception that the effects of pedal kickback are something always perceptible to the rider. Pedal kickback and its knock-on effects dramatically degrade suspension performance even when riders don’t feel it happening. Sidekick is the first and only solution that isolates the drivetrain from suspension while freewheeling. This eliminates pedal kickback in nearly all riding situations, silences chain and freewheel clatter, and provides a whisper-quiet freehub ratchet. Other crank spider-based solutions attempt to eliminate pedal kickback but do not disconnect the drivetrain from the frame suspension. In fact, while helpful in damping pedal kickback forces, with this type of solution, kickback, and chain vibration must happen for the device to function.

 

Beyond that, I would say that the Sidekick hubs appear to be very reliable and also roll very freely, where-as the O'Chain seems to be pretty maintenance intensive. I plan to build a new set of wheels based around the SideKick hubs next time, but it'll be on an e-bike. I'll just stick with my good old Carbon Ti hubs for my trail bike.

I love the idea that bike performance/suspension can be "dramatically degraded", but the rider can't feel it happening. What? 

I took it as felt in the form of pedal kickback, but point taken.

 

PS. Love the Username!

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6/9/2025 8:31pm Edited Date/Time 6/9/2025 8:33pm
jsray wrote:
IMG 4010

Pretty interesting how moto suspension companies do their "A Kit" suspension with DLC, or TiN for the stanchions, and Kashima is used on the shock bodies/fork chassis, but none of the moving parts. If I had money to blow, I would try to buy those KYB forks and shock tomorrow.🤑

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6/9/2025 8:56pm
dolface wrote:
Jesse hinting at something in development from RS and/or Canyon?"There’s a lot of work that happens behind the scenes and while we all love the work...

Jesse hinting at something in development from RS and/or Canyon?

"There’s a lot of work that happens behind the scenes and while we all love the work, it’s always nice to reward it. Maybe one day you’ll see what I’m talking about 👀"

i read that as Jesse criticizing the lack of enduro coverage. I definitely didn't see it. 

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6/9/2025 9:17pm
dolface wrote:
Jesse hinting at something in development from RS and/or Canyon?"There’s a lot of work that happens behind the scenes and while we all love the work...

Jesse hinting at something in development from RS and/or Canyon?

"There’s a lot of work that happens behind the scenes and while we all love the work, it’s always nice to reward it. Maybe one day you’ll see what I’m talking about 👀"

i read that as Jesse criticizing the lack of enduro coverage. I definitely didn't see it. 

the focus was all Xc and DH, Enduro is like it didn't even happen, unreal

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6/9/2025 11:04pm

Now they look even better

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6/10/2025 6:40am
TimBud wrote:

Now they look even better

+1 for the old graphics

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6/10/2025 7:16am Edited Date/Time 6/10/2025 8:44am

Now that the Industry 9 and WeAreOne merger is official, they are planning on adding more bike components in the lineup. Carbon cranks made in their Asheville factory are on top of their list followed by brakes. Clint and Dustin hinted towards brainstorming wireless brakes which is wild. They also officially closed the idea of a new Arrival bike so that won't be happening again.

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6/10/2025 8:30am
sprungmass wrote:
Now that the Industry 9 and WeAreOne merger is official, they are planning on adding more bike components in the lineup. Carbon cranks made in their...

Now that the Industry 9 and WeAreOne merger is official, they are planning on adding more bike components in the lineup. Carbon cranks made in their Asheville factory are on top of their list followed by brakes. Clint and Dustin hinted towards brainstorming wireless brakes which is wild. They also officially closed the idea of a new Arrival bike so that won't be happening again.

Where did you hear this news?

 

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6/10/2025 9:39am

Hannah Bergemann on a new Transition. Looks to be the same as what was spotted a while ago on a chairlift somewhere. They just "re-did" the TR11 so don't think it's that. Definitely meant to be DH only as that seat tube is quite short. Lower shock mount also looks different that their current alloy offerings. Could it be a new freeride specific bike? Just a special build for Hannah?

Image

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6/10/2025 10:01am
hukriede wrote:
Hannah Bergemann on a new Transition. Looks to be the same as what was spotted a while ago on a chairlift somewhere. They just "re-did" the...

Hannah Bergemann on a new Transition. Looks to be the same as what was spotted a while ago on a chairlift somewhere. They just "re-did" the TR11 so don't think it's that. Definitely meant to be DH only as that seat tube is quite short. Lower shock mount also looks different that their current alloy offerings. Could it be a new freeride specific bike? Just a special build for Hannah?

Image

Spires are on sale. What if they're dropping a new one with frame storage that can be upstroked to be a dh bike like Orbea?

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6/10/2025 10:40am

Handlebar graphics update from Renthal:

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RACE WINNING COMPONENTS - VISUALLY ENHANCED

Renthal has long been established as the handlebar of choice, for the world’s top level athletes.

Racking up an impressive 173 World Cup wins, 19 World Cup overall winners and 23 World Championship gold medals, these race winning components are undoubtably proven, at the highest level. The full range has now been updated, with all-new, V3.0 graphics - the most successful handlebar range just got visually enhanced.

V3-GROUP 01

Along with the visual upgrade, Renthal’s handlebar range also feature the widest specification options of any handlebars;

• Eight rise options.
• Carbon or aluminium.
• 31.8mm or 35mm diameter.
• Four width options.

specs

Aluminium Pricing – £84.95 / €94.95 / $101.40
Carbon Pricing - £154.95 / €87.95 / $197.71
For your regional distributor details, head to www.renthal.com.

V3-ALUGOLD-DETAIL 02
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6/10/2025 11:17am
sprungmass wrote:
Now that the Industry 9 and WeAreOne merger is official, they are planning on adding more bike components in the lineup. Carbon cranks made in their...

Now that the Industry 9 and WeAreOne merger is official, they are planning on adding more bike components in the lineup. Carbon cranks made in their Asheville factory are on top of their list followed by brakes. Clint and Dustin hinted towards brainstorming wireless brakes which is wild. They also officially closed the idea of a new Arrival bike so that won't be happening again.

So WaO will be carbon stuff and i9 will be alloy stuff made in the same factory? Will be interesting as i9 can use their machining to make moulds for carbon components.

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6/10/2025 11:44am
Suns_PSD wrote:

I took it as felt in the form of pedal kickback, but point taken.

 

PS. Love the Username!

There wasn't room to include "..., planned obsolescence, and anti-consumer duopolistic practices that treat bike companies less like frame designers and more like component integrators."

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6/10/2025 12:19pm
hukriede wrote:
Hannah Bergemann on a new Transition. Looks to be the same as what was spotted a while ago on a chairlift somewhere. They just "re-did" the...

Hannah Bergemann on a new Transition. Looks to be the same as what was spotted a while ago on a chairlift somewhere. They just "re-did" the TR11 so don't think it's that. Definitely meant to be DH only as that seat tube is quite short. Lower shock mount also looks different that their current alloy offerings. Could it be a new freeride specific bike? Just a special build for Hannah?

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Lips are sealed but more than one of those things are true Smile  

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6/10/2025 12:42pm

anyone have a confirmed date for shimano's next drop? Is it this week or next?

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6/10/2025 12:55pm
hukriede wrote:
Hannah Bergemann on a new Transition. Looks to be the same as what was spotted a while ago on a chairlift somewhere. They just "re-did" the...

Hannah Bergemann on a new Transition. Looks to be the same as what was spotted a while ago on a chairlift somewhere. They just "re-did" the TR11 so don't think it's that. Definitely meant to be DH only as that seat tube is quite short. Lower shock mount also looks different that their current alloy offerings. Could it be a new freeride specific bike? Just a special build for Hannah?

Image

Spires are on sale. What if they're dropping a new one with frame storage that can be upstroked to be a dh bike like Orbea?

You're not putting a dropper of any useful length in that seat tube.

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6/10/2025 1:07pm

anyone have a confirmed date for shimano's next drop? Is it this week or next?

June 7, 2032

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6/10/2025 1:42pm Edited Date/Time 6/10/2025 1:43pm
hukriede wrote:
Hannah Bergemann on a new Transition. Looks to be the same as what was spotted a while ago on a chairlift somewhere. They just "re-did" the...

Hannah Bergemann on a new Transition. Looks to be the same as what was spotted a while ago on a chairlift somewhere. They just "re-did" the TR11 so don't think it's that. Definitely meant to be DH only as that seat tube is quite short. Lower shock mount also looks different that their current alloy offerings. Could it be a new freeride specific bike? Just a special build for Hannah?

Image

Lips are sealed but more than one of those things are true Smile  

Just guessing that it’s going to be like a “Party Patrol”. Mixed wheel,190/180 front 180 rear and alloy only.

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