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It is Fazua, just new stuff from them.
Porsche was hiring new engineers and product owners recently.
Yeah, I meant a current Fazua motor system. So maybe Fazua built a full power offering for them or they built their own but it was definitely something different then what currently is out there.
I kinda fell for it.
I used to like loud-ish hubs, but not I9 loud… Admittedly been on Onyx hubs for a couple years. Can’t deal with excessively loud hubs anymore.
Maybe it'll drop at the same time as the range extender for the ride60 so it won't ever actually get released.
The best emulsion wax lube to use with the RotaLuber is Silca Super Secret. It's necessary to keep the bottle sealed with the cap between usages because the emulsifier will evaporate leaving just the wax. Also, we recommend rinsing out the passage ways of the tool with hot water and if possible blowing it out with compressed air. Yes, this is an extra step in the chain lubing process but when your using a wax lube the frequency of applications are a lot less.
Re: new Fox w/holes in arches:
I’ve cleaned A LOT of mountain bikes. I’ve found that forks usually have two states of covered-in-crap: 1) still covered-in-crap (dust, mud, clay, whatever) from the last ride and hasn’t been cleaned yet, or 2) “cleaned”, i.e. garden sprayer or bike wash station at the trail center. Some of us take our time and are careful, some not so much. In both scenarios, crap inevitably remains in a crappy little pile, stuck right between the arch and the slider, and whichever category you fall into, it’s not easy getting it out of there. Gentle pressure from the hose, pointed across the top of the dust wiper? Run a rag through there? *shudder
These fancy holes look to me like you could garden hose from the front, and take the crap out of Crapsville.
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Pretty sure the old ones went to 11 already. New ones will have to go to 12
I am one of the lucky ones whose pedals are misbehaving. I tried two different pairs of shoes, and in both cases, dirt buildup through the ride results in no release. We'll see how the update performs....I hope it works, because other than the small issue of being locked in, I like the pedals.
The quote on that last pic 🤮
"more fun" gtfo
"sustainable future" gtfo
Me-only-bikes are eleventy-billion times more sustainable than eeebs. Focus on that.
They are no strangers to cringe.
Thin air bruv
And Sram 70 for lower spec
The perfect car for the guy that tucks in his polo shirt into his light denim jeans fastened by a leather woven belt. Don’t forget the white sneakers.
just to sort this quickly: Fazua was bought by porsche, the whole company now is porsche e-bike performance, so its not who built it for which company, but they built it for them
that beeing said, the current ride 60 etc. are still released under the fazua branding
The new Porsche full power motor will not be built by Fazua by all indications but rather by : https://www.p2ebike.com/
They are also building an in house battery factory : https://bikebiz.com/porsche-e-bike-performance-to-launch-in-house-batte…
I don't think they are building the motor as it says this on their website "The new eBike drive unit which is currently being developed by Porsche eBike Performance will be the heart of each platform we develop, ranging from e-mountain bikes to e-urban bikes."
Is this because of the custom carbon tubes I wonder? Or is Atherton just running with significantly higher unit costs? It can't be purely from scaling costs since Pivot isn't going to sell more than a thousand DH frames total for this model.
I ask because ever since Starling Bikes started with shed-made frames, and Robot Bikes launched before they became Atherton, I've been wondering about DIY frame kits. You make your own geometry and sizing, maybe you can choose between a few different suspension designs, then you get shipped a box of machined links, precut & mitered (or not, depending on your level of DIY) carbon tubing, and some 3D printed lugs. Oh, also som epoxy to glue it all together. High school me from decades ago would have loved this more than anything. Maybe you could order all steel tubing as well, and a basic welding kit or something.
Maybe its liability suicide to rely on your customers to glue their frames together on their own. Maybe the cost would always be too high. IDK, but if feasible, this would sound so fun for me and my son (in a few years, hes only 4) to do together.
For one, yeah if I was the CEO of a company that supplied DIY frame kits that contained what ever suspension design, Id be losing my hair at 26 because of lawsuits. People would not be buying bikes, they would be buying hospital trips on wheels. Then Id be buying an Army of lawyers to hopefully protect my ass haha.
But I did think about Atherton bikes having a frame that is very customizable using their tech. The frame would only be a single pivot for simplicity sake. But you get some freedom on the numbers, stiffness inserts, gearbox or not, intended travel, Atherton just makes sure you wont die. Id definitely buy a 170/150 27.5 gearbox atherton frame. ( I know. Im weird, thats okay.) I just dont want DW6 race ready, long reach, straight vertical seat post in my ass.
Anyways, something to note about cost in the frames, Athertons and Starlings, while different materials, use straight tubes. This Pivot frame does not. Im sure that can make a difference in cost to have even the smallest kink in a tube.
Another point on the cost is I recall seeing the numbers for 3d printing ti and they were pretty high, both for the tooling and the raw materials (although this was when Atherton was just getting going so they may have come down since then).
IIRC Atherton essentially got massively subsidized by either the 3d printing equipment being provided basically for free or they got to use someone else’s equipment for just the cost of material.
If they had to buy the equipment themselves the business wouldn’t be viable. As evidenced by the cost of Pivot prototypes.
Apart from what you've already mentioned, the jig to bond those together with acceptable alignment would cost more than the bag of parts of you just bought.
Yah, Atherton could require you to send a photo of the model car you built as a child as proof of your ability to align and glue parts!
But really, those bikes are assembled in jigs in a very specific order. The prep and amount of glue is very specific and yah, it's a safety thing.
Fun idea, but not practical and frankly, wouldn't save any money anyways.
Yup, one thing I've learned from making things out of all kinds of things from all kinds of materials is that glue can be one of the strongest joints when the parts have the correct clearance, surface finish, cleanliness, application method, fixturing, temperature and cure time but if just one of things is wrong it might be completely useless! A bike company could maybe control 1 or 2 of those things before shipping the parts out but leaving the rest in the hands of a customer is a recipe for disaster...
Bike in a bag, build your own!
They bought out, took over, whatever… the old Dave Weagle company Robot Bike Co. The original bike was a 160 travel 27.5 trail/enduro bike that copied most of its geo from the Giant Reign of the time. That was back when you input a bunch of measurements and they would suggest a size for you.
Was Weagle involved in founding/setting up Robot? I thought he was just a design consultant.
Not necessarily wth carbon-bonded frames, but Marino gives you the ability to custom make a bike with nearly any travel and suspension setup that you would like, it's all steel though. Fun little experiment with single pivot setups too. Have had a few friends build up hardtails and freeride rigs and they have held up well.
I thought it was one of the Dirt guys, Ed Haythornthwaite.
You’re right.
Didn’t read the pivot article, but when I hear “cost to bring to market” I don’t think of MSRP, but rather what it “costs” the manufacturer. Guessing the cost of doing business is a number of times bigger for Pivot than for Atherton so they’ll need to find more margin on everything they sell.