Massive wheels are fun as hell. My 29+ rigid Surly Krampus with ~30.5" outer tire diameter is just a stupid monster truck/klunker, I absolutely love it...
Massive wheels are fun as hell. My 29+ rigid Surly Krampus with ~30.5" outer tire diameter is just a stupid monster truck/klunker, I absolutely love it. I'm 6'2", was always on board for 29" wheels, and definitely would try a 32" XC bike. Obviously they're not going to work well for shorter folks, does that even need to be reiterated to the people getting up in arms about it?
I remember watching Emeline Ragot ripping workd cup dh tracks on a 29er that looked massive for her... I am afraid we will see such things again, because "20% more traction and roll over obstacles"
Looks like the Stumpy 15 green carbon frame. And it looks like the idler will move as suspension cycles.
Hopefully cascade bring to market a front triangle upgrade kit after they release this. 🙃
In all seriousness, this is rad and I hope Cascade make the chainstays longer. I know they elongate with a HP, but something more significant than stock, or an adjustable option for the long CS converts.
The thing about 29ers is frame designers are still dealing with fitment issues, 20 years on. This is why we've seen all these various chainline, axle...
The thing about 29ers is frame designers are still dealing with fitment issues, 20 years on. This is why we've seen all these various chainline, axle, hub standards proliferate, not mention endless conversations around geometry. Paul Aston seems to be fine with 475mm rear centers but any good (technical) trail that I've ridden around the world plain doesn't work with titanic sized wheelbases.
Last but not least, and understandably this the same argument some have with ebikes and we can see how many of those are on the trails now, I don't need bigger wheels to make things easier. The pendulum swung far enough with 29x3 and we all saw how that worked out for MTB (Desert touring setups disregard this comment).
in 2014 my Enduro 29er had:
430mm chainstays
Front derailleur support 142 (non boost) rear spacing Aluminum and Carbon builds No reputation for snapping chainstays
Its all just excuses.
The gen 1 Enduro 29 was not a good bike, but if Specialized engineers could do it over ten years ago, it can be done now
You know I have worried about Cascade Components as bike companies are getting pretty dialed with stock suspension as it is for us non World Cup riders. Being less demand or less that Cascade could even change on a bikes kinematics. But this! This is actually really bad ass. Seriously this is so cool because now you have 2 bikes 1 frame technically. Like this is what pro riders must feel like when RnD says “Hey we heard you were not 100% with that link, so we altered it and the whole frame. Try this homie” If this is a whole rear end assembly to a stumpjumper, I would want one just to play around with for fun. Kudos to you Cascade. I hope for the best to you.
in 2014 my Enduro 29er had: 430mm chainstaysFront derailleur support142 (non boost) rear spacingAluminum and Carbon buildsNo reputation for snapping chainstaysIts all just excuses. The gen 1 Enduro...
in 2014 my Enduro 29er had:
430mm chainstays
Front derailleur support 142 (non boost) rear spacing Aluminum and Carbon builds No reputation for snapping chainstays
Its all just excuses.
The gen 1 Enduro 29 was not a good bike, but if Specialized engineers could do it over ten years ago, it can be done now
This. I had a 2014 OG Canfield Riot with 414 stays and 29x2.5 tire clearance. Chainline was a little fucky, but anyone that says you need super boost for tire clearance is drinking the Kool aid...and I own a Knolly.
This. I had a 2014 OG Canfield Riot with 414 stays and 29x2.5 tire clearance. Chainline was a little fucky, but anyone that says you need...
This. I had a 2014 OG Canfield Riot with 414 stays and 29x2.5 tire clearance. Chainline was a little fucky, but anyone that says you need super boost for tire clearance is drinking the Kool aid...and I own a Knolly.
troy brosnan's cockpit from cannonball w/ flight attendant on fork and left hand pod for what would assumed be suspension control? what's up w/ the brake levers too?
This is what "tech rumours and innovation" is about, So much more of this! I'm a huge fanboy of the @CascadeComponents stuff, its functional bike jewellery, and I'm here for it!
This looks very much like a whole rear end to make a Stumpy a high pivot trail bike, and thats incredible
troy brosnan's cockpit from cannonball w/ flight attendant on fork and left hand pod for what would assumed be suspension control? what's up w/ the brake...
troy brosnan's cockpit from cannonball w/ flight attendant on fork and left hand pod for what would assumed be suspension control? what's up w/ the brake levers too?
You know I have worried about Cascade Components as bike companies are getting pretty dialed with stock suspension as it is for us non World Cup...
You know I have worried about Cascade Components as bike companies are getting pretty dialed with stock suspension as it is for us non World Cup riders. Being less demand or less that Cascade could even change on a bikes kinematics. But this! This is actually really bad ass. Seriously this is so cool because now you have 2 bikes 1 frame technically. Like this is what pro riders must feel like when RnD says “Hey we heard you were not 100% with that link, so we altered it and the whole frame. Try this homie” If this is a whole rear end assembly to a stumpjumper, I would want one just to play around with for fun. Kudos to you Cascade. I hope for the best to you.
Feel more than free to boo me on over the companies-shutting-down-thread if this is too economic and not enough tech, but I'm going to be really curious to see the economics of selling your current frame and buying a different one vs the cascade linkage and rear end. For example, I eyed their Code calipers, but ultimately just bought new brakes. And their links have always had an element of breathing life into an older frame for way less than the cost of a new one.
For the record, I love Cascade and I understand the realities of manufacturing high quality things in small quantities. The folks at Cascade are sharp and have definitely thought of this. Maybe this product gives you something you can't get in a current frame?
Regardless, it's another aspect of this that makes it, in my mind, one of the most interesting thing I've seen from the industry in a decent bit.
in 2014 my Enduro 29er had: 430mm chainstaysFront derailleur support142 (non boost) rear spacingAluminum and Carbon buildsNo reputation for snapping chainstaysIts all just excuses. The gen 1 Enduro...
in 2014 my Enduro 29er had:
430mm chainstays
Front derailleur support 142 (non boost) rear spacing Aluminum and Carbon builds No reputation for snapping chainstays
Its all just excuses.
The gen 1 Enduro 29 was not a good bike, but if Specialized engineers could do it over ten years ago, it can be done now
Haha OK. Yes 29er design peaked with the 2014 Enduro. I encourage you to double down on your statement, seek one out and replace all your other bikes with it.
This is what "tech rumours and innovation" is about, So much more of this! I'm a huge fanboy of the @CascadeComponents stuff, its functional bike jewellery...
This is what "tech rumours and innovation" is about, So much more of this! I'm a huge fanboy of the @CascadeComponents stuff, its functional bike jewellery, and I'm here for it!
This looks very much like a whole rear end to make a Stumpy a high pivot trail bike, and thats incredible
I'm glad to see all the comments, I saw the insta post and couldn't make any sense of it, I knew the crew here would.
in 2014 my Enduro 29er had: 430mm chainstaysFront derailleur support142 (non boost) rear spacingAluminum and Carbon buildsNo reputation for snapping chainstaysIts all just excuses. The gen 1 Enduro...
in 2014 my Enduro 29er had:
430mm chainstays
Front derailleur support 142 (non boost) rear spacing Aluminum and Carbon builds No reputation for snapping chainstays
Its all just excuses.
The gen 1 Enduro 29 was not a good bike, but if Specialized engineers could do it over ten years ago, it can be done now
Haha OK. Yes 29er design peaked with the 2014 Enduro. I encourage you to double down on your statement, seek one out and replace all your...
Haha OK. Yes 29er design peaked with the 2014 Enduro. I encourage you to double down on your statement, seek one out and replace all your other bikes with it.
Nobody said it peaked. Far from it. What was said and what I agree with is that said Enduro had short chainstays, front derailleur and a nonboost dropout. Probably did not run tires as wide as today, but yes, clearly packaging is not as big of an issue as it is claimed.
Packaging is indeed an issue that is still being stick-handled today. I've dealt with many frame designs over the years that compromise on features, stiffness, weight, cost, geometry, industrial design, manufacturing feasibility, etc. If that 2014 chassis was so perfect, then there would be little reason to stray from it. The actual STA alone makes that bike, both resulting from Specialized deciding that 430mm CS was the priority, a prominent packaging issue that would anchor bikes to the shop floor today.
Pendulum on geo has swung pretty far out and has already started coming back. People of or near average size are figuring out that supersized bikes are not all that they were marketed to be. I'm not saying 32" wheels are bad, but they will be relegated to frame designs that are, at the smallest, XL or larger. Even then, you compromise on the riding experience you get from having huge wheels and wheelbase that don't quite fit on the trail.
Keep in mind I'm always talking about high performance Trail, Enduro MTB as the needs here are much more focused. Things (Priorities) change when discussing XC, Offroad touring, gravel, etc.
Massive wheels are fun as hell. My 29+ rigid Surly Krampus with ~30.5" outer tire diameter is just a stupid monster truck/klunker, I absolutely love it...
Massive wheels are fun as hell. My 29+ rigid Surly Krampus with ~30.5" outer tire diameter is just a stupid monster truck/klunker, I absolutely love it. I'm 6'2", was always on board for 29" wheels, and definitely would try a 32" XC bike. Obviously they're not going to work well for shorter folks, does that even need to be reiterated to the people getting up in arms about it?
I could see applications for large wheels. Gravel and exploration bikes - heck yes. I used to love dirt road rambles when I lived in New England. Here in Colorado the fore roads and dirt roads are terrifying. Washboarded, bedrock. 30 miles in your teeth are rattling out.
32” wheels on a steel frame with swoopy stays that add compliance, 68*HA and lots of trail, low BB so you’re riding in the bike. Wouldn’t sprint but neither do I. Sounds comfy. Sounds like something Surly should make. Size L, XL, XXL, and Shaq.
A lot of new regarding brakes these past pages. XTR, Mavens, Hope, and now another addition from SRAM I have spotted.Ben Hildred is doing his climbing...
A lot of new regarding brakes these past pages. XTR, Mavens, Hope, and now another addition from SRAM I have spotted.
Ben Hildred is doing his climbing challenge, where he climbs 10k feet a day, for 100 days, and I spotted him covering up the caliper on his latest story - Strange, because I thought he just ran regular Level Ultimate Stealth's - But went through his old stories from these past climbs, and managed to spot two pics of a caliper, that size-wise looks like a level, but it differs in shape. It also seems to say "Prototype" when you zoom in on phone. Pic quality here doesnt really translate though.
This challenge is probably a very good test for most of the components on his bike, so no wonder sram wants to torture test some brakes. He's also running the yet to be released new axs dropper.
From his story today
Managed to see a pic with a text that looks to say "prototype" - You can also see that the side of the caliper is flat, compared to the current level brake which has a "ridge" in the side (see pic at bottom)
"SRAM" seems to be etched/laser engraved on top of the caliper
Current level ultimate caliper
Seems another name has dropped into public domain. I know we've seen these brakes before but this is the first indexed result for "motive".
A lot of new regarding brakes these past pages. XTR, Mavens, Hope, and now another addition from SRAM I have spotted.Ben Hildred is doing his climbing...
A lot of new regarding brakes these past pages. XTR, Mavens, Hope, and now another addition from SRAM I have spotted.
Ben Hildred is doing his climbing challenge, where he climbs 10k feet a day, for 100 days, and I spotted him covering up the caliper on his latest story - Strange, because I thought he just ran regular Level Ultimate Stealth's - But went through his old stories from these past climbs, and managed to spot two pics of a caliper, that size-wise looks like a level, but it differs in shape. It also seems to say "Prototype" when you zoom in on phone. Pic quality here doesnt really translate though.
This challenge is probably a very good test for most of the components on his bike, so no wonder sram wants to torture test some brakes. He's also running the yet to be released new axs dropper.
From his story today
Managed to see a pic with a text that looks to say "prototype" - You can also see that the side of the caliper is flat, compared to the current level brake which has a "ridge" in the side (see pic at bottom)
"SRAM" seems to be etched/laser engraved on top of the caliper
troy brosnan's cockpit from cannonball w/ flight attendant on fork and left hand pod for what would assumed be suspension control? what's up w/ the brake...
troy brosnan's cockpit from cannonball w/ flight attendant on fork and left hand pod for what would assumed be suspension control? what's up w/ the brake levers too?
troy brosnan's cockpit from cannonball w/ flight attendant on fork and left hand pod for what would assumed be suspension control? what's up w/ the brake...
troy brosnan's cockpit from cannonball w/ flight attendant on fork and left hand pod for what would assumed be suspension control? what's up w/ the brake levers too?
For those that never leave this thread.....Hoping this wasn't bitten from Wheelbased, apologies, and I'll pull it if it wasWeren't there some who were adamant that...
For those that never leave this thread.....
Hoping this wasn't bitten from Wheelbased, apologies, and I'll pull it if it was
Weren't there some who were adamant that there couldn't/wouldn't be a mechanical transmission, anywho
Perhaps I'm naive (or just spend too much time here) but not having an X0-level mechanical Transmission ofering seems like a miss; existing NX/SX bits are...
Perhaps I'm naive (or just spend too much time here) but not having an X0-level mechanical Transmission ofering seems like a miss; existing NX/SX bits are such poor quality that I feel like it'll turn people off (and misses the market segment that wants high-quality mechanical shifting, or pushes them to Shimano).
Mech transmission will be offered in a 1230 series and 1275 series. Essentially offering a GX equivalent and below.
Shimano has been killing SRAM on the low end market. 5,6 and 7 series Shimano is so much better than NX and SX.
Almost certain that Troy probably had the left hand pod to override to either trail or lock on the suspension for the opening sprint and then turned it back to auto (which defaults to open) as soon as the fire road ended.
I remember watching Emeline Ragot ripping workd cup dh tracks on a 29er that looked massive for her... I am afraid we will see such things again, because "20% more traction and roll over obstacles"
29 ain't dead
Hopefully cascade bring to market a front triangle upgrade kit after they release this. 🙃
In all seriousness, this is rad and I hope Cascade make the chainstays longer. I know they elongate with a HP, but something more significant than stock, or an adjustable option for the long CS converts.
in 2014 my Enduro 29er had:
430mm chainstays
Front derailleur support
142 (non boost) rear spacing
Aluminum and Carbon builds
No reputation for snapping chainstays
Its all just excuses.
The gen 1 Enduro 29 was not a good bike, but if Specialized engineers could do it over ten years ago, it can be done now
You know I have worried about Cascade Components as bike companies are getting pretty dialed with stock suspension as it is for us non World Cup riders. Being less demand or less that Cascade could even change on a bikes kinematics. But this! This is actually really bad ass. Seriously this is so cool because now you have 2 bikes 1 frame technically. Like this is what pro riders must feel like when RnD says “Hey we heard you were not 100% with that link, so we altered it and the whole frame. Try this homie” If this is a whole rear end assembly to a stumpjumper, I would want one just to play around with for fun. Kudos to you Cascade. I hope for the best to you.
This. I had a 2014 OG Canfield Riot with 414 stays and 29x2.5 tire clearance. Chainline was a little fucky, but anyone that says you need super boost for tire clearance is drinking the Kool aid...and I own a Knolly.
Props for knolly comment
I think the real question for cascade is :will you be able to run a derailleur cable??
troy brosnan's cockpit from cannonball w/ flight attendant on fork and left hand pod for what would assumed be suspension control? what's up w/ the brake levers too?
video here
https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/2025-race-talk?page=18#comment-5789…
This is what "tech rumours and innovation" is about, So much more of this! I'm a huge fanboy of the @CascadeComponents stuff, its functional bike jewellery, and I'm here for it!
This looks very much like a whole rear end to make a Stumpy a high pivot trail bike, and thats incredible
Look like Freedom Coast levers.
https://freedomcoast.net/products/freedom-coast-brake-levers?variant=44640940818648
Feel more than free to boo me on over the companies-shutting-down-thread if this is too economic and not enough tech, but I'm going to be really curious to see the economics of selling your current frame and buying a different one vs the cascade linkage and rear end. For example, I eyed their Code calipers, but ultimately just bought new brakes. And their links have always had an element of breathing life into an older frame for way less than the cost of a new one.
For the record, I love Cascade and I understand the realities of manufacturing high quality things in small quantities. The folks at Cascade are sharp and have definitely thought of this. Maybe this product gives you something you can't get in a current frame?
Regardless, it's another aspect of this that makes it, in my mind, one of the most interesting thing I've seen from the industry in a decent bit.
Haha OK. Yes 29er design peaked with the 2014 Enduro. I encourage you to double down on your statement, seek one out and replace all your other bikes with it.
I'm glad to see all the comments, I saw the insta post and couldn't make any sense of it, I knew the crew here would.
Nobody said it peaked. Far from it. What was said and what I agree with is that said Enduro had short chainstays, front derailleur and a nonboost dropout. Probably did not run tires as wide as today, but yes, clearly packaging is not as big of an issue as it is claimed.
Packaging is indeed an issue that is still being stick-handled today. I've dealt with many frame designs over the years that compromise on features, stiffness, weight, cost, geometry, industrial design, manufacturing feasibility, etc. If that 2014 chassis was so perfect, then there would be little reason to stray from it. The actual STA alone makes that bike, both resulting from Specialized deciding that 430mm CS was the priority, a prominent packaging issue that would anchor bikes to the shop floor today.
Pendulum on geo has swung pretty far out and has already started coming back. People of or near average size are figuring out that supersized bikes are not all that they were marketed to be. I'm not saying 32" wheels are bad, but they will be relegated to frame designs that are, at the smallest, XL or larger. Even then, you compromise on the riding experience you get from having huge wheels and wheelbase that don't quite fit on the trail.
Keep in mind I'm always talking about high performance Trail, Enduro MTB as the needs here are much more focused. Things (Priorities) change when discussing XC, Offroad touring, gravel, etc.
Bikes peaked at the 2014 Devinci Wilson, I've been chasing rear suspension that can compare for the last 10 years lol.
I could see applications for large wheels.
Gravel and exploration bikes - heck yes. I used to love dirt road rambles when I lived in New England. Here in Colorado the fore roads and dirt roads are terrifying. Washboarded, bedrock. 30 miles in your teeth are rattling out.
32” wheels on a steel frame with swoopy stays that add compliance, 68*HA and lots of trail, low BB so you’re riding in the bike. Wouldn’t sprint but neither do I. Sounds comfy. Sounds like something Surly should make. Size L, XL, XXL, and Shaq.
Seems another name has dropped into public domain. I know we've seen these brakes before but this is the first indexed result for "motive".
Maven,,, Motive... Mineral oil... perhaps a hint?
We won't have to DB8 it once it brakes cover.
It says right on the bleed screw "SRAM MINERAL OIL ONLY" The same screw on Mavens
Huh. I always thought it said ‘Don’t post to Vital’.
Those motive are a code replacement, mineral oil, should have same power as code ( meh ) and level weight ( so not that much lighter )
I feel going code weight and a bit more power would’ve hurt no one, especially given the Maven are not for everyone
Black box shifter… transmission? Did anyone get photos of the bike?
Best shot of the rear mech I could find; it looks like regular Eagle to me...
Eagle cage
Transmission cage
Noticed this on the top tube too, any idea what it is, KIS?
https://www.canyon.com/en-us/mountain-bikes/trail-bikes/spectral/keep-i…
Mech transmission will be offered in a 1230 series and 1275 series. Essentially offering a GX equivalent and below.
Shimano has been killing SRAM on the low end market. 5,6 and 7 series Shimano is so much better than NX and SX.
that‘s a normal x01 dh 7 speed mech on troys bike, „eagle“ is only the 12 speed. he is using black box triggers for years AFAIK
Almost certain that Troy probably had the left hand pod to override to either trail or lock on the suspension for the opening sprint and then turned it back to auto (which defaults to open) as soon as the fire road ended.