So one reason why I'm hesistant to share breakages of bikes online is that stuff sticks around forever.....I worked for a Yeti dealer at that time...
So one reason why I'm hesistant to share breakages of bikes online is that stuff sticks around forever.....I worked for a Yeti dealer at that time when the "pre production" frames had thin chainstays which cracked very easily. But it was just that very small number of initial bikes, I think we sold 2 SB6's from the batch and yeah they broke but the dozens that followed were fine in that regard (not perfrect bikes but the chainstays were actually fixed). But that reputation definitely stuck with Yeti which is a shame since it was such a small number of bikes, as opposed to a brand that has repeated similar failures
With the pivot - I'm no fan of armchair engineering but I looked up the spec and they claim 35 pounds for the complete bike?! There is a crazy amount of extra hardware so theres not much left for the frame tubes 😬 I don't get why companies still insist on cutting out so much weight from their bikes! It's a completely different manufacturing process to the prototypes so why wouldn't they beef it up just to be safe?
I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse...
I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.
I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse. They all exploded, pretty much every SB5c and SB6c we sold. Front end, rear end, they all broke. At one point we had two bike boxes full of dead triangles.
I also worked at a dealer when the SBs launched and yeah, it was as bad as the comment sections made it sound
I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse...
I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.
I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse. They all exploded, pretty much every SB5c and SB6c we sold. Front end, rear end, they all broke. At one point we had two bike boxes full of dead triangles.
I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse...
I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.
I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse. They all exploded, pretty much every SB5c and SB6c we sold. Front end, rear end, they all broke. At one point we had two bike boxes full of dead triangles.
That looks like a Similar pile i seen of Supreme DH v4's. Also, While i've never been keen on Evil, my friend goes through a frame every 6-7 months. 200lbs and bang right by the downtube bolt... every single time(same place as VanCan's always broke)
So one reason why I'm hesistant to share breakages of bikes online is that stuff sticks around forever.....I worked for a Yeti dealer at that time...
So one reason why I'm hesistant to share breakages of bikes online is that stuff sticks around forever.....I worked for a Yeti dealer at that time when the "pre production" frames had thin chainstays which cracked very easily. But it was just that very small number of initial bikes, I think we sold 2 SB6's from the batch and yeah they broke but the dozens that followed were fine in that regard (not perfrect bikes but the chainstays were actually fixed). But that reputation definitely stuck with Yeti which is a shame since it was such a small number of bikes, as opposed to a brand that has repeated similar failures
With the pivot - I'm no fan of armchair engineering but I looked up the spec and they claim 35 pounds for the complete bike?! There is a crazy amount of extra hardware so theres not much left for the frame tubes 😬 I don't get why companies still insist on cutting out so much weight from their bikes! It's a completely different manufacturing process to the prototypes so why wouldn't they beef it up just to be safe?
I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse...
I worked at a dealer during that time too and it was absolutely as bad as the internet thought it was.
I don’t buy the “pre-production” excuse. They all exploded, pretty much every SB5c and SB6c we sold. Front end, rear end, they all broke. At one point we had two bike boxes full of dead triangles.
So I've heard on the internet,but measured all my RF, OneUp, Chromag bars, and they're all pretty much bang on, within a mm. Doesn't hurt to...
So I've heard on the internet,but measured all my RF, OneUp, Chromag bars, and they're all pretty much bang on, within a mm. Doesn't hurt to check,but is it really that common?
A few RF bars I had back in the day were routinely 5mm off.
One year DMR fncked up and labeled all the lines as if you were cutting 10 mm of your bars. I.e. 780mm has a 750mm mark on both ends. The only problem was they were 10mm apart, not 5mm so a lot of people had bars 10mm marrower than expected
apparently some guy mated a new front triangle to a balfa bb7 rear. pretty cool! (image found on fb):
apparently some guy mated a new front triangle to a balfa bb7 rear. pretty cool! (image found on fb):
I belive that is André's bike - One of the guys that works at Intend, and the guy most likely to answer if you email them. Super nice guy, and I believe he welds the front triangles himself. He's done a few bikes himself iirc.
Thats also a way better pic of that new (what I assume is) twintubed shock. As well as a carbon prototype blackline fork
Maybe not super interesting - But seems like Dan Booker is rocking some blue/green-ish Mavens on his Hardline SC V10.
Possibly a new limited run from Sram, pattern similar to the red ones they released at launch?
Skimmed through Jack Moirs videos, and this was the only clear-ish shot I could get of them. Im sure there are better images to have from photographers or other ytube vids.
Maybe not super interesting - But seems like Dan Booker is rocking some blue/green-ish Mavens on his Hardline SC V10.Possibly a new limited run from Sram...
Maybe not super interesting - But seems like Dan Booker is rocking some blue/green-ish Mavens on his Hardline SC V10.
Possibly a new limited run from Sram, pattern similar to the red ones they released at launch?
Skimmed through Jack Moirs videos, and this was the only clear-ish shot I could get of them. Im sure there are better images to have from photographers or other ytube vids.
troy brosnan had something about them in his vlog from the first day of hardline, think that they are just a new colour.
troy brosnan had something about them in his vlog from the first day of hardline, think that they are just a new colour.
Ah good catch! Yeah, looks like they're a similar pattern to the red ones from last year. Half the caliper is black, and the outside is "teal" with the acid stains or whatever they called it.
Ah good catch! Yeah, looks like they're a similar pattern to the red ones from last year. Half the caliper is black, and the outside is...
Ah good catch! Yeah, looks like they're a similar pattern to the red ones from last year. Half the caliper is black, and the outside is "teal" with the acid stains or whatever they called it.
If the Pivot is the only bike that breaks this week from that drop (which it likely will be at this point), then it's not a good look for Pivot. While hardline is an extreme use case, if all the other brand's bikes hold up, it shows that the Pivot is not as strong. For instance, there are guys like Bulldog, who probably outweighs BK by 30%+, coming off the same drop on his 'cheap' ARI frame and it's holding up. The Pivot frame is VERY light. I believe the lightest weight production frame (by far). I'm assuming Pivot engineers are already at their computers today re-designing future frames to have another layer or two of carbon.
If the Pivot is the only bike that breaks this week from that drop (which it likely will be at this point), then it's not a...
If the Pivot is the only bike that breaks this week from that drop (which it likely will be at this point), then it's not a good look for Pivot. While hardline is an extreme use case, if all the other brand's bikes hold up, it shows that the Pivot is not as strong. For instance, there are guys like Bulldog, who probably outweighs BK by 30%+, coming off the same drop on his 'cheap' ARI frame and it's holding up. The Pivot frame is VERY light. I believe the lightest weight production frame (by far). I'm assuming Pivot engineers are already at their computers today re-designing future frames to have another layer or two of carbon.
That same video from Moi Moi had Brooke's bike making a similar noise on landing that drop a few clips later. Brooke pulled over to inspect the frame.
If the Pivot is the only bike that breaks this week from that drop (which it likely will be at this point), then it's not a...
If the Pivot is the only bike that breaks this week from that drop (which it likely will be at this point), then it's not a good look for Pivot. While hardline is an extreme use case, if all the other brand's bikes hold up, it shows that the Pivot is not as strong. For instance, there are guys like Bulldog, who probably outweighs BK by 30%+, coming off the same drop on his 'cheap' ARI frame and it's holding up. The Pivot frame is VERY light. I believe the lightest weight production frame (by far). I'm assuming Pivot engineers are already at their computers today re-designing future frames to have another layer or two of carbon.
Brook and Bernard are pretty much the same weight, but thats not super important. There are much heavier riders using production bikes and they can still put some massive strain on it too! There should be more than enough margin for error in these frames that hardline isn't an issue. If it was an ultra light prototype just for racing I could understand but they shouldn't be taking that to hardline if it was, and that was a production frame being used which is not a great sign.
This relates to one thing that always bugged me - production bikes aren't always optimised for racing, and race bikes aren't the best for mass production, so it would be better if the bikes for sale were simplified and stronger, while the race bikes can be more highly tuned to suit the very specific task. I don't know if race on sunday, sell on monday is a great argument since the number of DH bikes sold is sweet FA
The point is bikes shouldn't just break like that - you only need to add an extra kilo or so to make a bike wayyyyy more reliable, and the gains for going lighter are negligible compared to the risks it creates
If the Pivot is the only bike that breaks this week from that drop (which it likely will be at this point), then it's not a...
If the Pivot is the only bike that breaks this week from that drop (which it likely will be at this point), then it's not a good look for Pivot. While hardline is an extreme use case, if all the other brand's bikes hold up, it shows that the Pivot is not as strong. For instance, there are guys like Bulldog, who probably outweighs BK by 30%+, coming off the same drop on his 'cheap' ARI frame and it's holding up. The Pivot frame is VERY light. I believe the lightest weight production frame (by far). I'm assuming Pivot engineers are already at their computers today re-designing future frames to have another layer or two of carbon.
That same video from Moi Moi had Brooke's bike making a similar noise on landing that drop a few clips later. Brooke pulled over to inspect...
That same video from Moi Moi had Brooke's bike making a similar noise on landing that drop a few clips later. Brooke pulled over to inspect the frame.
It was a brand new bike he only rode for the first time a couple of days before flying out so it's a pretty brutal way to bed it in! He barely had time to do any testing at all so I don't blame him for wanting to keep an eye on it
I also worked at a dealer when the SBs launched and yeah, it was as bad as the comment sections made it sound
Engineered to entertain.
I'll see your two boxes and raise you:
Probably not the super marketing boost they were hoping for.
Need to resurrect the old Ridemonkey thread about all of those breaking. That was some internet gold.
That looks like a Similar pile i seen of Supreme DH v4's.
Also, While i've never been keen on Evil, my friend goes through a frame every 6-7 months.
200lbs and bang right by the downtube bolt... every single time(same place as VanCan's always broke)
I've heard from a friend who knows a Pivot distributor that the next Firebird is gonna have a high-pivot.
Didn't we already see a prototype Firebird with the same lugged construction as the proto DH bike? Swear I saw one 3-4 months ago?
Frame definitely cracked somewhere. Looks like maybe 'seat stay' snapped this time. Bike low-riding and rear wheel pitched to the right.
Both seat stays are broken
I wasn't even a Yeti dealer, and even my shop had a stack of broken ones out the back that Kashi wasn't interested in having back.
Neko postet pics of Asas Hardline Bike
New volume spacers from Fox.
To be fair mate the S Series bikes have been out for 6 months now. You've had to be living under a massive rock to miss them
They're really going all out on making it completely different than the last X2.
"See guys it actually is all new this time"
One year DMR fncked up and labeled all the lines as if you were cutting 10 mm of your bars. I.e. 780mm has a 750mm mark on both ends. The only problem was they were 10mm apart, not 5mm so a lot of people had bars 10mm marrower than expected
Atherton, Yeti, commencal ETC use a bearing pivot on their 6-bar linkages for a reason.
I belive that is André's bike - One of the guys that works at Intend, and the guy most likely to answer if you email them. Super nice guy, and I believe he welds the front triangles himself. He's done a few bikes himself iirc.
Thats also a way better pic of that new (what I assume is) twintubed shock. As well as a carbon prototype blackline fork
Maybe not super interesting - But seems like Dan Booker is rocking some blue/green-ish Mavens on his Hardline SC V10.
Possibly a new limited run from Sram, pattern similar to the red ones they released at launch?
Skimmed through Jack Moirs videos, and this was the only clear-ish shot I could get of them. Im sure there are better images to have from photographers or other ytube vids.
troy brosnan had something about them in his vlog from the first day of hardline, think that they are just a new colour.
Ah good catch! Yeah, looks like they're a similar pattern to the red ones from last year. Half the caliper is black, and the outside is "teal" with the acid stains or whatever they called it.
yeah godziek has em too
oh sick! I still regret not hanging on to my 02 bb7 frame when I moved to Nelson for a year in 2012...
If the Pivot is the only bike that breaks this week from that drop (which it likely will be at this point), then it's not a good look for Pivot. While hardline is an extreme use case, if all the other brand's bikes hold up, it shows that the Pivot is not as strong. For instance, there are guys like Bulldog, who probably outweighs BK by 30%+, coming off the same drop on his 'cheap' ARI frame and it's holding up. The Pivot frame is VERY light. I believe the lightest weight production frame (by far). I'm assuming Pivot engineers are already at their computers today re-designing future frames to have another layer or two of carbon.
The new flex rear-end
That same video from Moi Moi had Brooke's bike making a similar noise on landing that drop a few clips later. Brooke pulled over to inspect the frame.
Looks like Scott accidentally posted the yet-to-be-released Gambler's drawing to the geometry section of the current Gambler.
they really dig that ebike look
Brook and Bernard are pretty much the same weight, but thats not super important. There are much heavier riders using production bikes and they can still put some massive strain on it too! There should be more than enough margin for error in these frames that hardline isn't an issue. If it was an ultra light prototype just for racing I could understand but they shouldn't be taking that to hardline if it was, and that was a production frame being used which is not a great sign.
This relates to one thing that always bugged me - production bikes aren't always optimised for racing, and race bikes aren't the best for mass production, so it would be better if the bikes for sale were simplified and stronger, while the race bikes can be more highly tuned to suit the very specific task. I don't know if race on sunday, sell on monday is a great argument since the number of DH bikes sold is sweet FA
The point is bikes shouldn't just break like that - you only need to add an extra kilo or so to make a bike wayyyyy more reliable, and the gains for going lighter are negligible compared to the risks it creates
It was a brand new bike he only rode for the first time a couple of days before flying out so it's a pretty brutal way to bed it in! He barely had time to do any testing at all so I don't blame him for wanting to keep an eye on it
That thing looks 7, maybe 8 months along? Wonder if the baby shower happened yet.